ah yes. Because I've been to obscure sites that interprets Christianity or the trinity in a different way. also, I was wondering do most of you here attend churches regularly? and do you read the Bible independently?

This post has been edited by ZackMir: Oct 30 2014, 09:25 AM

Allow me to share mine
I go to church regularly for many reason. worship, frenship, hang out, etc... more on the people things
I read bible independenly not often, but okay2x... primarily to make my Jesus happy. He just simply want me. Perhaps for zackmir Jesus will ask different things. How does ZackMir know ?

How does zackmir can talk to God, aka upload ? pray.
How does zackmir can listen to God, aka download ? .... long story... bible for start, but the end is limitless... here is the good start:

http://www.cwgministries.org/Four-Keys-to-Hearing-Gods-Voice

http://www.awmi.net/extra/article/gods_voice

This post has been edited by de1929: Oct 30 2014, 09:42 AM

honest answers nice. I'm not a Christian btw, but am not offended when people teaches their beliefs. appreciate the links(I've taken a quick tour of the sites).
Also, is there anyone here that has study religion comparatively before?

This post has been edited by ZackMir: Oct 30 2014, 10:19 AM

oh thank you for not being offended. Kindly accept my apology ... when you ask trinity (which is an advanced christian concept imho), i was under impression you aredi christian.

no need for apologies (kinda feels weird being thanked for not being offended..) I've only seen a few videos discussing about the subject(trinity) but have never read the verses regarding it myself.
Also, is it alright for a non Christian to post on this thread a bit?

This post has been edited by ZackMir: Oct 30 2014, 10:34 AM

Thanks UW I think I am not 'qualify' to share this topic as I am still a struggling Christian singles who is still searching for life partner.

Bible Devotions with UW

What and When is the New Covenant?



In the book of Jeremiah (OT) God revealed that He will make a New Covenant in Chapter 31. Why?
Because the people of Israel couldn't keep and uphold the Old Covenant of the 10 commandments.
And God said, the days are coming......indicating a time in the future back when this was spoken.

In the Book of Hebrews this was spoken as well but was revealed the time of that new covenant.

What is the New Covenant? What are the clauses?

In Hebrews Chapter 8, the HS mentioned it like this:

Did you notice in verse 10, it says there "after that time", referring to "The days are coming" in Jeremiah 31:31?
So when is this "after that time"?

Before we answer that, I want to address this issue.
Some people say that this covenant is only Valid for the house of Israel and Judah and not for the Church.

Dear Friends, when we accept Christ, God puts us in the house of Israel. What is my basis for this?

Galatians 3:7 (NIV) Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham. Doesn't matter if you are Chinese, Indian, Caucasian, etc, as long as you believe in Christ, God puts you as the in grafted branch of Israel. (Romans 11:17)

Abraham is the father of Israel. Therefore this covenant is for us Christians. Now that this is put to rest, let us see WHEN is the new covenant.

In the book of Hebrews God calls this New Covenant in
Hebrews 8:13 (NIV) - By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

So how do we know when is the new covenant activated? God says: After that time. So we have 2 clues.

1. After that time
2. God calls it: New Covenant.

In Hebrews 8:6 (NIV) But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises.


Here it talks about Jesus receiving the ministry of the new covenant. And God say this new covenant is better than the covenant of the 10 commandments and with better promises than the 10 commandment could offer!

So the answer is here! The New covenant is activated the moment Jesus receive this ministry! And in

Hebrews 9:15 (NIV) - For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.

Dear Friends. This New Covenant is NOW! The answer is crystal clear! Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant! How do I know this? Is Jesus only a mediator after we die? No, He is a mediator while we are alive! And also because in the following words of the same verse, it says there; that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance.

This is what Christianity is all about. Eternal Life, Reconciliation with Father God.

This New covenant where God says: For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more is for NOW! Not when we passed on and go to Heaven.

So UW, what's so important about this? My reason is this: I will start teaching the new covenant based on this foundation. Because in the Christian community, there is still this erroneous idea that God is still Angry and will Judge Christians for the punishment of their sins. And sometime, the way they talk, sounds as if Jesus atonement at the cross is half baked and incomplete. As if it never happened even, to the point as if we are still under the Old Covenant of the 10 commandment laws.

If you have any questions of what is just shared, do ask me.

God Bless.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 30 2014, 10:40 AM

It is because you are still experiencing this, you will know it in your heart what is the right way for Christian relationship.

God never says you must accomplish all there is to accomplish in order to qualify to share.

Did you know that Abraham, while Sarah was still barren, God told Him to pray for healing of the womb for Abimelek household wife and servants so that they can conceive?

Genesis 20:17 - Then Abraham prayed to God, and God healed Abimelek, his wife and his female slaves so they could have children again,

So there goes the idea that one must have experience in healing himself before He can start praying for others, same thing. The HS will guide you. If you want anyway.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 30 2014, 10:55 AM

Haha ... most of us here do attend meetings and joined some small groups for Bible study, prayers etc.

But kinda curious, for a non-Christian, to query about the Trinity ...

Is there something you want to know specifically?

Yes you are welcome to post as long there is no flame baiting or bashing.

Sometimes it's not the Non Christians that is the issue but Christians themselves being insensitive to the group as a whole. Sigh.

Question for you guys: What do you think is the core essentials of Christianity (also the truth that unites all christians despite denominations)? Without this core beliefs, these people are no longer christians.

yes actually. I stumbled upon a blog post today, it belonged to a Muslim who has some unorthodox views regarding her religion. Her understanding of the text lead to a conclusion contrary to the standard ruling of most scholars (I think). Which reminded me of an old video where some people were discussing/debating the concept of trinity(both have a different explanation of "the trinity").
in summary, I was only wondering if there is anyone here who read and study the bible and is also a regular church goer but disagrees with his or her church views on some things. Also, do any of you here identify yourself as Catholics or Protestants?

alright, got it. I will tread carefully.

*edit* I understand that this thread is for resting and not debating. I hope my questions aren't intrusive.

This post has been edited by ZackMir: Oct 30 2014, 11:47 AM

ah nice. relevant to what I want to know too.

I disagree with my church with a few things: but I don't think those issues are the essentials (which are: The personhood of Christ, the atonement, the trinity etc.)

I'm a protestant.

oh a protestant in Malaysia. I don't know much, but which denominations are more abundant in followers in this country? also, as a protestant you don't use the imagery of Christ or Mary in your churches right? do you remember the incident where an image of Mary appeared in the window of a building in malaysia? what is your take on that?(if I'm not mistaken it is being kept in a church now?)

*edit* excuse me for the last question. I know it might sound weird for me to ask that but I have watched a couple of miracle videos and I am generally curious. Oh, and thanks for answering I'll look up on the subjects that you've presented.

This post has been edited by ZackMir: Oct 30 2014, 11:58 AM

What do you mean by imagery of Christ or Mary? If you're talking about the statues, then most protestant churches probably don't have a statue of Mary; but AFAIK, what matters is WHO Mary is to us. To the Catholics, Mary prays on their behalf. To the protestants, Jesus prays on our behalf (but that is a super simplistic generalization).

As for denomination goes, I think we have alot of Methodists (DUMC itself has like 4k people) but I don't know the official stats


I don't think the image looks like Mary lol

I see. thanks for answering!

*edit* excuse me for the last question. I know it might sound weird for me to ask that but I have watched a couple of miracle videos and I am generally curious. Oh, and thanks for answering I'll look up on the subjects that you've presented.


This post has been edited by ZackMir: Oct 30 2014, 12:08 PM

Jesus Christ as GOD, that died in calvary for all of us, and raise from dead on the third day

Allow me to use allegories.

Unlike moslem, which only sunni and shia, christian is like... restaurant

There is franchise restraurant, there is non franchise. This is a way to see a restaurant
There is a halal restaurant, there is non halal restaurant. This is another way to see a restaurant
There is chinese food, western food. This is another way again to see a restaurant.

Some people, because they know what to eat, they are not looking for restaurant, but they are looking for the chef .

so my message simple: Don't get boxed ... you will ended up.. boxed

-- Where is Jesus in the picture of restaurant ? All restaurant is a business entity declared with Kerajaan Malaysia. You can picture Jesus as kerajaan malaysia in this allegories.
-- Where is the bible in the picture of restaurant ? the food, the menu, the drink. It's our spiritual food.
-- Who are "chef" in chritianity ? Those are preacher that is popular. They become our source of information to understand Christ better
-- Where is denomination in restaurant picture ? where is catholics / protestant in restaurant picture ? those are similar to restaurant franchises. some franchises are flexible, some franchiese are inflexible.
-- Where is DUMC in this picture ? DUMC is similar to a franchised restaurant, but managed independently. Still can bear label "Methodist church", but the cheff (i think Pst Daniel Ho cmiiw) managed to make a distinction. So instead of looking for "methodist church franchised", people looking for Pst Daniel Ho... Now this is why some people, who just wanna find methodist church, shocked to see why DUMC is so much different with another franchise.

Ask me or UW (Unkown warriror) for more details about christianity.

Basically, the Bible, Triune God, Christ (His person), the work of Christ, salvation, and the church