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ZackMir
post Oct 30 2014, 01:00 AM

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do any of you here believes in the trinity? if so, in what way?

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post Oct 30 2014, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(pehkay @ Oct 30 2014, 08:08 AM)
All of us believes in the Trinity.

But I am not sure what you meant by "what" way?

The way we believe?  sweat.gif
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ah yes. Because I've been to obscure sites that interprets Christianity or the trinity in a different way. also, I was wondering do most of you here attend churches regularly? and do you read the Bible independently?

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post Oct 30 2014, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Oct 30 2014, 09:41 AM)
Allow me to share mine  smile.gif
I go to church regularly for many reason. worship, frenship, hang out, etc... more on the people things
I read bible independenly not often, but okay2x... primarily to make my Jesus happy. He just simply want me. Perhaps for zackmir Jesus will ask different things. How does ZackMir know ?

How does zackmir can talk to God, aka upload ? pray.
How does zackmir can listen to God, aka download ? .... long story... bible for start, but the end is limitless... here is the good start:

http://www.cwgministries.org/Four-Keys-to-Hearing-Gods-Voice

http://www.awmi.net/extra/article/gods_voice
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honest answers nice. I'm not a Christian btw, but am not offended when people teaches their beliefs. appreciate the links(I've taken a quick tour of the sites).
Also, is there anyone here that has study religion comparatively before?

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post Oct 30 2014, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Oct 30 2014, 10:24 AM)
oh thank you for not being offended. Kindly accept my apology biggrin.gif ... when you ask trinity (which is an advanced christian concept imho), i was under impression you aredi christian.
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no need for apologies (kinda feels weird being thanked for not being offended..) I've only seen a few videos discussing about the subject(trinity) but have never read the verses regarding it myself.
Also, is it alright for a non Christian to post on this thread a bit?

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post Oct 30 2014, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(pehkay @ Oct 30 2014, 10:56 AM)
Haha ... most of us here do attend meetings and joined some small groups for Bible study, prayers etc.

But kinda curious, for a non-Christian, to query about the Trinity ...

Is there something you want to know specifically?
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yes actually. I stumbled upon a blog post today, it belonged to a Muslim who has some unorthodox views regarding her religion. Her understanding of the text lead to a conclusion contrary to the standard ruling of most scholars (I think). Which reminded me of an old video where some people were discussing/debating the concept of trinity(both have a different explanation of "the trinity").
in summary, I was only wondering if there is anyone here who read and study the bible and is also a regular church goer but disagrees with his or her church views on some things. Also, do any of you here identify yourself as Catholics or Protestants?

QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 30 2014, 11:16 AM)
Yes you are welcome to post as long there is no flame baiting or bashing.

Sometimes it's not the Non Christians that is the issue but Christians themselves being insensitive to the group as a whole. Sigh.
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alright, got it. I will tread carefully.

*edit* I understand that this thread is for resting and not debating. I hope my questions aren't intrusive.

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post Oct 30 2014, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(Decky @ Oct 30 2014, 11:39 AM)
Question for you guys: What do you think is the core essentials of Christianity (also the truth that unites all christians despite denominations)? Without this core beliefs, these people are no longer christians.
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ah nice. relevant to what I want to know too.
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post Oct 30 2014, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(Decky @ Oct 30 2014, 11:42 AM)
I disagree with my church with a few things: but I don't think those issues are the essentials (which are: The personhood of Christ, the atonement, the trinity etc.)

I'm a protestant.
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oh a protestant in Malaysia. I don't know much, but which denominations are more abundant in followers in this country? also, as a protestant you don't use the imagery of Christ or Mary in your churches right? do you remember the incident where an image of Mary appeared in the window of a building in malaysia? what is your take on that?(if I'm not mistaken it is being kept in a church now?)

*edit* excuse me for the last question. I know it might sound weird for me to ask that but I have watched a couple of miracle videos and I am generally curious. Oh, and thanks for answering I'll look up on the subjects that you've presented.

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post Oct 30 2014, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(Decky @ Oct 30 2014, 11:58 AM)
What do you mean by imagery of Christ or Mary? If you're talking about the statues, then most protestant churches probably don't have a statue of Mary; but AFAIK, what matters is WHO Mary is to us. To the Catholics, Mary prays on their behalf. To the protestants, Jesus prays on our behalf (but that is a super simplistic generalization).

As for denomination goes, I think we have alot of Methodists (DUMC itself has like 4k people) but I don't know the official stats
I don't think the image looks like Mary lol
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I see. thanks for answering!

*edit* excuse me for the last question. I know it might sound weird for me to ask that but I have watched a couple of miracle videos and I am generally curious. Oh, and thanks for answering I'll look up on the subjects that you've presented.


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post Oct 30 2014, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Oct 30 2014, 12:38 PM)
Allow me to use allegories.

Unlike moslem, which only sunni and shia, christian is like... restaurant biggrin.gif

There is franchise restraurant, there is non franchise. This is a way to see a restaurant
There is a halal restaurant, there is non halal restaurant. This is another way to see a restaurant
There is chinese food, western food. This is another way again to see a restaurant.

Some people, because they know what to eat, they are not looking for restaurant, but they are looking for the chef .

so my message simple: Don't get boxed biggrin.gif... you will ended up.. boxed biggrin.gif

-- Where is Jesus in the picture of restaurant ? All restaurant is a business entity declared with Kerajaan Malaysia. You can picture Jesus as kerajaan malaysia in this allegories.
-- Where is the bible in the picture of restaurant ? the food, the menu, the drink. It's our spiritual food.
-- Who are "chef" in chritianity ? Those are preacher that is popular. They become our source of information to understand Christ better
-- Where is denomination in restaurant picture ? where is catholics / protestant in restaurant picture ? those are similar to restaurant franchises. some franchises are flexible, some franchiese are inflexible.
-- Where is DUMC in this picture ? DUMC is similar to a franchised restaurant, but managed independently. Still can bear label "Methodist church", but the cheff (i think Pst Daniel Ho cmiiw) managed to make a distinction. So instead of looking for "methodist church franchised", people looking for Pst Daniel Ho... Now this is why some people, who just wanna find methodist church, shocked to see why DUMC is so much different with another franchise.

Ask me or UW (Unkown warriror) for more details about christianity.
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I see. I will study further to understand more.




QUOTE(pehkay @ Oct 30 2014, 12:47 PM)
I think most Christian have a basic understanding of the Trinity. Unconsciously, they might have tendencies, which can, sometimes lead to Tritheism. But usually, most believers don't have a problem, just the lack of understanding that's all.

Again, what is your question specifically? biggrin.gif Are you looking for someone who disagreed with his or her church??
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yes. I was looking for anyone with a different understanding of the trinity but also other concepts in Christianity. It was because I have seen some people come to a different conclusion when they began to read their texts independently (mostly in Islam and Christianity). this was because of having a lack of understanding, too much understanding, the desire to change the Religion to suit his or her preferences, or in other cases, a general genuine need for truth.
I will try to understand more regarding Tritheism vs the Trinity. thank you for the keywords!

QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 30 2014, 01:30 PM)
I identify myself as a Christian. Never a denomination, prefer the term Non Denominational.

Yup I read the Bible daily and regularly goes to Church and disagree with my Church on some views. 

On the Subject of trinity, the best thing to do is to accept it as it is. Holy Triune God, in the person of 3 yet same 1 God.

No point trying to explain it away, it's one of divine mystery our mind cannot comprehend in totality.
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you are right about the divine mystery. I understand the inability of the mind to comprehend God fully. In my understanding, in order to accept the incomprehensible, I,you,they,anyone will have to understand the context of the presented subject/Topic/entity to see if the incomprehensible is compatible with the subject/topic/entity or in this case, God(general understanding) and Religious Texts.
I see that you have accepted the concept of the holy trinity as it is. thanks for answering! I'll be sure to ask if anything comes up.
P.S, I hope my English was not confusing. I'm terrible at grammar.



*edit* in other words, what I meant above is simply that in order for anyone to accept the trinity or other concepts of God. the trinity itself must fit with the whole understanding of the religion/Christianity. Or in other words, the religious texts. which then brings me to my original question regarding how constant are you in reading the Bible to which you answered "daily" and you have also come to the conclusion of the holy Trinity after reading and understanding the Bible am I correct? again, thanks for answering! I'll be sure to ask if something comes up.

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