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Piros
post Jan 14 2015, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Jan 14 2015, 12:49 PM)
i think the better way to say, if there is no temptation, then nobody will have sex before marriage right... biggrin.gif

the issue is clear, we can't run from temptation... that's the fact biggrin.gif

how long can you run... if in colleague all girls are wearing short pants and tight shirts ? run to jungle ?
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1 Corinthians 10:13 (NKJV)

No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it.


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post Jan 14 2015, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jan 14 2015, 12:02 PM)
My gf also told me same. Jesus is very high standard coz of that only few can go heaven.
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Your gf is misquoting Jesus in Matt 7:13-14

Enter through the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and spacious and broad is the way that leads away to destruction, and many are those who are entering through it. But the gate is narrow (contracted by pressure) and the way is straitened and compressed that leads away to life, and few are those who find it. [Deut. 30:19; Jer. 21:8.] (‭Matthew‬ ‭7‬:‭13-14‬ AMP)

The correct statement should be "few WILL make it to heaven."

Salvation is for all, Grace is free but not cheap.

Remember the parables of the merchant and the pearl of great price, and the treasure in the field?

Each parable describes the kind of sacrifice made to acquire the pearl or treasure.

I am not talking about having to follow a set of rules and regulations.
I am talking about having a real relationship with God.

We were fallen people and though we are new creations in Christ (2 Cor 5:17) we are constantly refined from glory to glory (2 Cor 3:18)

Sadly it is this refining process that many cannot take and they opt out, whether knowingly or unknowingly.

Some openly leaving, others staying but.....



Why am I replying to this?

There are many in danger of mistaking Grace as a passport to living a self centered life.

Am I saying we must be ascetics?
No, but I am saying that every Christian knows what God is dealing with in their own life and it is to their own benefit that they cooperate with God.




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post Jan 14 2015, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(amazingwave @ Jan 14 2015, 02:10 PM)
Yup bro. Since 6pm yesterday raining. Flood at some places here  ohmy.gif . How about KK?
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How about Keningau and Ranau?
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post Jan 14 2015, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(yaokb @ Jan 14 2015, 03:15 PM)
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There are many in danger of mistaking Grace as a passport to living a self centered life.
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I agree with ur reply. But allow me to add / enrich.

I believe it's devil that sow the seed of fear to church leader. Fear our follower will living a self centered life at the cost of GOD's grace.

GOD is not stupid biggrin.gif ... HE always in control biggrin.gif ...

i can't explain technically how HE will protect his people but our GOD can... don't worry.

Teach your congregation about GOD's grace, let them life to the full, let GOD worry how to handle those ppl; ppl that try to manipulate GOD's grace.
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post Jan 14 2015, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(Piros @ Jan 14 2015, 02:23 PM)
1 Corinthians 10:13 (NKJV)

No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it.
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bible is bible... but what happen today is what happen today...

isn't it obvious that whatever 1 Cor 10:13 say, our congregation still fall into sexual sin ?

If you wrote 1 Cor 10:13 to somebody who just have sex last night with his GF ? are you trying to crucify the BF ? biggrin.gif

I do have solutions, but let's agree with this fact first biggrin.gif
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post Jan 14 2015, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(yaokb @ Jan 14 2015, 03:15 PM)
Your gf is misquoting Jesus in Matt 7:13-14

Enter through the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and spacious and broad is the way that leads away to destruction, and many are those who are entering through it. But the gate is narrow (contracted by pressure) and the way is straitened and compressed that leads away to life, and few are those who find it. [Deut. 30:19; Jer. 21:8.] (‭Matthew‬ ‭7‬:‭13-14‬ AMP)

The correct statement should be "few WILL make it to heaven."

Salvation is for all, Grace is free but not cheap.

Remember the parables of the merchant and the pearl of great price, and the treasure in the field?

Each parable describes the kind of sacrifice made to acquire the pearl or treasure.

I am not talking about having to follow a set of rules and regulations.
I am talking about having a real relationship with God.

We were fallen people and though we are new creations in Christ (2 Cor 5:17) we are constantly refined from glory to glory (2 Cor 3:18)

Sadly it is this refining process that many cannot take and they opt out, whether knowingly or unknowingly.

Some openly leaving, others staying but.....
Why am I replying to this?

There are many in danger of mistaking Grace as a passport to living a self centered life.

Am I saying we must be ascetics?
No, but I am saying that every Christian knows what God is dealing with in their own life and it is to their own benefit that they cooperate with God.
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How do you know only a few will make it to Heaven?
yaokb
post Jan 14 2015, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jan 14 2015, 04:40 PM)
How do you know only a few will make it to Heaven?
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I don't,
I just know Jesus says.
But the gate is narrow and the way is straitened and compressed that leads away to life, and few are those who find it

Maybe i am mistaken to equate "life" with "heaven" hmm.gif


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post Jan 14 2015, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(yaokb @ Jan 14 2015, 04:52 PM)
I don't,
I just know Jesus says.
But the gate is narrow and the way is straitened and compressed that leads away to life, and few are those who find it

Maybe i am mistaken to equate "life" with "heaven" hmm.gif
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Now you're thinking. icon_idea.gif

Actually if you re-read and study what the Bible says about Grace, it's the only antidote and solution that will bring people out of self centredness.

We may think it sounds weak but God is divine, He uses weak things to confound the wise.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jan 14 2015, 05:00 PM
Piros
post Jan 14 2015, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Jan 14 2015, 03:50 PM)
bible is bible... but what happen today is what happen today...

isn't it obvious that whatever 1 Cor 10:13 say, our congregation still fall into sexual sin ?

If you wrote 1 Cor 10:13 to somebody who just have sex last night with his GF ? are you trying to crucify the BF ? biggrin.gif

I do have solutions, but let's agree with this fact first biggrin.gif
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Bible is the only authority at every time of age! It is relevant and is the authority back then, today, and in the future. Get this into your skull.

You are incorporating nonsense and making sin look like it is some small thing to be brush aside. Sin is still sin whether he/she is a believer or a non believer, both deserved to be condemned eternally to hell. Only the grace of God saves sinners through Jesus Christ.

You don't have solutions! You can't even save yourself! Only Christ have and can save sinners!

How about you start studying the bible, instead of coming up with what you think is right or relevant or logical!

Who are you!? Seriously! That you belittling God's word?

This post has been edited by Piros: Jan 14 2015, 06:07 PM
de1929
post Jan 14 2015, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE(Piros @ Jan 14 2015, 06:06 PM)
Bible is the only authority at every time of age! It is relevant and is the authority back then, today, and in the future. Get this into your skull.

You are incorporating nonsense and making sin look like it is some small thing to be brush aside. Sin is still sin whether he/she is a believer or a non believer, both deserved to be condemned eternally to hell. Only the grace of God saves sinners through Jesus Christ.

You don't have solutions! You can't even save yourself! Only Christ have and can save sinners!

How about you start studying the bible, instead of coming up with what you think is right or relevant or logical!

Who are you!? Seriously! That you belittling God's word?
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Relax ok... blabbering like that does not help everybody and we do not need teachers here... We need GOD's grace through JESUS christ. Get the point ?
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post Jan 14 2015, 06:41 PM

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QUOTE(pehkay @ Jan 14 2015, 03:36 PM)
How about Keningau and Ranau?
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Didnt have any info about flood for Ranau and Keningau.
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post Jan 14 2015, 06:57 PM

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QUOTE(yaokb @ Jan 14 2015, 03:15 PM)
Your gf is misquoting Jesus in Matt 7:13-14

Enter through the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and spacious and broad is the way that leads away to destruction, and many are those who are entering through it. But the gate is narrow (contracted by pressure) and the way is straitened and compressed that leads away to life, and few are those who find it. [Deut. 30:19; Jer. 21:8.] (‭Matthew‬ ‭7‬:‭13-14‬ AMP)

The correct statement should be "few WILL make it to heaven."

Salvation is for all, Grace is free but not cheap.

Remember the parables of the merchant and the pearl of great price, and the treasure in the field?

Each parable describes the kind of sacrifice made to acquire the pearl or treasure.

I am not talking about having to follow a set of rules and regulations.
I am talking about having a real relationship with God.

We were fallen people and though we are new creations in Christ (2 Cor 5:17) we are constantly refined from glory to glory (2 Cor 3:18)

Sadly it is this refining process that many cannot take and they opt out, whether knowingly or unknowingly.

Some openly leaving, others staying but.....
Why am I replying to this?

There are many in danger of mistaking Grace as a passport to living a self centered life.

Am I saying we must be ascetics?
No, but I am saying that every Christian knows what God is dealing with in their own life and it is to their own benefit that they cooperate with God.
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how about the quote Matthew 19:24, Mark 10:25, Luke 18:25? cannot just take one quote and you conclude liao. it is hard to enter heaven, but not impossible.

even jehovah witness say that if we die, we will go to eden park not heaven liao coz they take out one quote that we people from soil and sand will go back to soil and sand which is come back to Eden or Firdaus Park. Adam and eve in Firdaus Park not at heaven liao

This post has been edited by leonhart88: Jan 14 2015, 06:59 PM
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post Jan 14 2015, 07:30 PM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jan 14 2015, 06:57 PM)
how about the quote Matthew 19:24, Mark 10:25, Luke 18:25? cannot just take one quote and you conclude liao. it is hard to enter heaven, but not impossible.

even jehovah witness say that if we die, we will go to eden park not heaven liao coz they take out one quote that we people from soil and sand will go back to soil and sand which is come back to Eden or Firdaus Park. Adam and eve in Firdaus Park not at heaven liao
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Are you making a case that all go to heaven?


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post Jan 14 2015, 07:47 PM

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QUOTE(pehkay @ Jan 14 2015, 07:30 PM)
Are you making a case that all go to heaven?
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Actually I think He's making a case that it's hard but not impossible to go to Heaven which is one xtreme end, not the complete truth.


I think I need to expound a bit on this tonight.


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post Jan 14 2015, 07:55 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jan 14 2015, 07:47 PM)
Actually I think He's making a case that it's hard but not impossible to go to Heaven which is one xtreme end, not the complete truth.
I think I need to expound a bit on this tonight.
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And he is disagreeing with yaokb on?
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post Jan 14 2015, 08:02 PM

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QUOTE(pehkay @ Jan 14 2015, 07:55 PM)
And he is disagreeing with yaokb on?
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I think it's just confusion between words, both of them are actually agreeing the same thing.

1. Few can go to Heaven and
2. Few can enter Heaven.



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post Jan 14 2015, 08:06 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jan 14 2015, 08:02 PM)
I think it's just confusion between words, both of them are actually agreeing the same thing.

1. Few can go to Heaven and
2. Few can enter Heaven.
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That was what confuses me wink.gif

I really thought they are making the same statement

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post Jan 14 2015, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jan 13 2015, 11:57 PM)
yes but cannot marry in church right coz church is holy?
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IF church is so Holy, then nobody can get married because ALL are sinners. Sexual sins are the same with other sins as well, ie, lying, cheating, killing, stealing, etc.

Who among us is without sin and can “cast the first stone”? Before coming to Christ, each of us is “dead in transgressions and sins” and is made alive only by God’s grace.

Matthew 6:14–15

14 For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, 15 but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.


QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jan 13 2015, 11:59 PM)
low cost = 50 years? must be more expensive than malaysian built pre clay right? I thought wood is cheaper?
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I'm talking about composite materials la. Pre clay? Why talked about red bricks?

If you compare by using foreign exchange, sure.

If you compare by buying power, its more or less the same.

Sure wood is cheaper, but why use wood when you have better quality materials?

That's what I don't understand about Malaysian construction industry, use cheap low quality materials but maximise profits. doh.gif

Germans built to last, but of course how to compete with Asians who always like to focus on "build fast and earn more profits?"

QUOTE(de1929 @ Jan 14 2015, 10:04 AM)
it's an allegory.

new technology always improves from older one.

The allegory is: Pentecostal is new technology. Traditional churches is traditional.

-- new rise building ? --

new rise building requires more advanced technology compared to single story building for example. Just lay-man example ok biggrin.gif....
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You can just use simpler terms la...

Every time you like to mentioned "Pentecostal"....Why don't use Baptist next time?

QUOTE(Piros @ Jan 14 2015, 06:06 PM)
Bible is the only authority at every time of age! It is relevant and is the authority back then, today, and in the future. Get this into your skull.

You are incorporating nonsense and making sin look like it is some small thing to be brush aside. Sin is still sin whether he/she is a believer or a non believer, both deserved to be condemned eternally to hell. Only the grace of God saves sinners through Jesus Christ.

You don't have solutions! You can't even save yourself! Only Christ have and can save sinners!

How about you start studying the bible, instead of coming up with what you think is right or relevant or logical!

Who are you!? Seriously! That you belittling God's word?
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He's the Resident Einstein over here..
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post Jan 14 2015, 10:02 PM

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Be secure in Christ

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Ephesians 1:7 (NIV) IN HIMwe have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God's grace
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Hebrews 6:19 (NIV) We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure. It enters the inner sanctuary behind the curtain,


Dear Friends,

I would like to expound on 2 scripture verses to sate your spiritual appetite.

The first one is Ephesian 1:7 where is says In Him, we we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God's grace.

I want you to look and focus on the word In Him. In Christ we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins!.
God wants you to know, that the security of your Salvation is IN HIM. In Christ. So keep your Faith, your eyes, Your Focus, YOUR EVERYTHING IN HIM.

IF and when you fail in your spiritual life or your walk with God, Keep looking IN HIM! In Who? Your Failures? Your Disobedience? In What you have said or done wrong?
No! Look and Focus IN HIM! IN CHRIST. Why? Because when you look IN CHRIST you have have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God's grace!

THEN I want you to look at Hebrews 6:19: (NIV) - We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure. It enters the inner sanctuary behind the curtain.
Look and focus on the word firm and secure.

When you combine these 2 verses, you will realize God wants you to know ; In CHRIST (IN HIM) you are firm and secure.
BUT UW, How can I be secure? You don't understand, I failed at times in my walk with God. I sin at times, I look at pornography at time, I look in lust at times.

Here is where your problem lies.
God wants you to look IN HIM but you're looking at yourself. Bingo!

This is where the devil got you. Satan wants you to focus your Salvation IN YOU(yourself) rather than IN HIM(Christ)
Do you know why? When you're so focus on what you do or what you say as the condition. You are done before the day is finish. We are all imperfect beings. Satan knows that. God knows that.

God says according to the Bible: IN HIM (CHRIST). Satan is Anti God and will reverse whatever God wants to establish and will deceive by saying LOOK IN YOURSELF, whether you have repented enough, obeyed enough, be Holy enough.

Friends. This is the divine truth. There is no mixture. There is no such thing, as looking and trusting in Jesus, at the same time, being confident of your act of obedience together with Christ that gives you the ticket to Salvation.

There is No Such thing. The Bible says in Romans 11:6 (NIV) - And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace. God is very serious on this. Even Jesus said the wineskin will burst.

It's your choice really. You can either trust in the Bible, the word of God, to look to Jesus as your Saviour or you can trust in yourself, in what you do, that you have acted righteously, have walk correctly and talk correctly. Choose this day, who you are secure in.

I'll leave you with one final verse for you to decide and ponder. Colossians 3:3.

God Bless.

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post Jan 14 2015, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jan 14 2015, 09:24 PM)
IF church is so Holy, then nobody can get married because ALL are sinners....
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that writings makes HS so happy. Good job.

QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jan 14 2015, 09:24 PM)
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Every time you like to mentioned "Pentecostal"....Why don't use Baptist next time?

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cuz they are different. so much different.

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