How different? Can non virgins get married in your church? hehehe...

I know Pentecostal churches emphasized a lot on the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

anytime babeh... we ignore your past, but we have pre marital course that you n your spouse must attend so as a pastor i can put blessing on you.

I cannot give blessing to alien, who simply come to our church and ask married me in 5 seconds or else we leave... hahaha...

Of course not! Surely one must be a member of that church la.

In Germany there's a lot of mail order brides from Russia.

Personally, I think Grace Teaching is somewhat breaking God's heart..

The idea of God died and cleanses us of our past, present, and future sins..
:S Even if we sin after accepting the Lord, we don't need to repent, as Jesus forgave us on the cross..

I disagree, what do you guys say?
If like that, everyone just say sinner's prayer, continue sinning, go hallelujah..

i also don't agree. that's like moslem fasting then forgiven then make mistakes again repeat every year. allahuakbar!
past is ok but present and future you must devoted and as hard as possible not condemn to sins. yes we make mistakes but not on purpose.
I believe many people who attend church sex before marriage, using drugs, etc. even in church are very dangerous environment to young people lei.

Yeah sinner's prayer is not enough

I think only few will go heaven because christian only half of population. Not all christian can go to heaven. even my belgian colleague said that big church in belgium on sunday maybe only 50-100 people go to church. 90% of them are infants. Most Belgium are christian in identity but not spirit.

simple, if you love Jesus, you will not do sex before marriage although there are many temptations.

Ha the greatest misunderstanding.

Those under Grace can sin as they want. It means you don't really understand how powerful Grace is.

What does Titus 2:11-12 (NIV) says?


11 For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. 12 It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, [/u]

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jan 15 2015, 08:38 AM

YEah, I know, If you really had met God.. You won't sin on purpose.. Temptation will flee from you..

But what i mean is like Preachers who preach on God forgiving our future sins..
They are like giving a free pass for new believers to sin..
they shouldnt preach about the grace, when people are just a new believer..
I am sure, many christian sin on purpose, and say God has forgiven me.. It's ok to sin..

These are the same accusation level at the apostle Paul when He preached Grace.

Romans 6:15 (NIV)
What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means!

As what you accuse me, happened to Apostle Paul also.

It means that many people don't really understand what He preached. Paul was a very strong preacher of God's grace.

Titus 2:11-12 explains that Grace is the only antidote that will bring people out of their sin.

and this coincide with


Romans 6:14 (NIV) - For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

You are to repent yes but you don't have the strength to repent. Grace will give you that opportunity.
Titus and Romans was written by apostle Paul under the inspiration of the Holy spirit, expounding on God's Grace.

It's like this.

If you put yourself under Law: I must not do this, I must not do that, the design of God's Law will bind you. You will be powerless and be subjected to the dominion of Sin.
That is what Romans 6:14 says. Sin shall not be your master under Grace. This means that the flipside is also true. Sin shall be your master under Law.
Read it again.

Put yourself under Grace, Sin loses it's power over you.
That is what Romans 6:14 means when it says (ESV) For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.
The overcoming power to dethrone sin is Grace.

Then you may ask me but UW, how can that be? I'm very sinful in nature.
My Answer to you would be: Yes you are right. So the way out of this, is to look away from yourself (must not do this, must not do that) and focus on Christ (grace)
That is what my devotion is all about in post #1882.

Do you know that Grace is not a subject but the person of Jesus Christ?

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jan 15 2015, 09:52 AM

Hyper grace is it?

When one evaluates something, try not to "throw the baby out with the bathwater".

The truth is always two-fold. Unfortunately, theology tends to "box" the divine revelation by systematically labelling thing in different camps. And when someone is in one "camp", he or she will rather exclude things that don't go along with the interpretation.

For example, "Hyper-grace teachers maintain that all sin, past, present, and future, has already been forgiven, so there is no need for a believer to ever confess it."

The Bible do reveals that "all sin, past, present, and future, has already been forgiven" yet the believers still need to confess it . There is no contradiction.

For example:

REDEMPTION

Fact:
The Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! (John 1:29).
He Himself is the propitiation...for those of the whole world (1 John 2:2).
Who gave Himself as a ransom for all (1 Tim. 2:6).

Yet:
Although the Bible says that Christ has died for the world, it also says that those who believe will be saved. The following Scriptures testify to this:

That every one who believes... (John 3:15).
He who believes into Him...; he who does not believe... (John 3:18).


DYING WITH THE LORD

Fact: When Christ died on the cross, not only did He die for the sinners, but the sinners died in Him as well. He not only died for sins, but He brought death to the sinners as well. It is a fact in God that the sinners have died with Jesus on the cross. The following Scriptures prove this:

One died for all, therefore all died (2 Cor. 5:14).
Knowing this, that our old man has been crucified with Him (Rom. 6:6).

Yet the Word of God goes on to charge us to “reckon [ourselves] to be dead to sin” (Rom. 6:11). Reckoning is an act of faith. We do not consider ourselves dead, because we cannot consider ourselves dead. We may try to consider ourselves dead day and night, but how can one actually consider himself dead? The more we consider in this way, the more we will realize that we are alive and that we are capable of and even prone to sinning. The only way is for us to “reckon” ourselves dead in Christ.

If we have this faith, we will have the experience of dying with the Lord. In the Bible, Paul is a good pattern of a person who had the experience of dying with the Lord. He said, “The cross...through whom the world has been crucified to me and I to the world” (Gal. 6:14). He also said, “To know...the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death” (Phil. 3:10). Again he said, “I am crucified with Christ” (Gal. 2:20). If a believer is to have the experience—the life experience—of dying with the Lord, he cannot do so by his own methods. He must take God’s way, the way of fact, faith, and experience.


SANCTIFICATION

Sanctification is not a work of our own. Sanctification is accomplished for us by God. The Bible says, “That He might sanctify the people through His own blood” (Heb. 13:12). “For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified” (10:14). Sanctification is an accomplished fact. Since Jesus has died, we are all sanctified.

Nevertheless, 1 Peter 1:16 charges us to be “holy.”

Why does it charge us in this way? The reason is that though believers are sanctified, this sanctification is merely a fact with God; it is not yet an experience in the believers’ lives. In order for one to be sanctified, he has to apply the sanctification accomplished through the death of Jesus, taking this as his sanctification. Only then will he live a sanctified life.

Fact is always eternal, timeless, etc but our experiences is in time and applicable in a process.

This post has been edited by pehkay: Jan 15 2015, 09:35 AM

Come to Calvary near Bukit Jalil if you drive. Always welcome those didn't go to Church for long time.

Thank you for the kind invite.

for me depends on many things.

yes exactly...

Bill wilson from metro world child bribes authority in african country, to save the child (baby) so the child can have proper medical treatment in US soil.

so for me, i use GOD's grace to do 2 things:
1. invest in people live
2. win soul for Christ.

And i don't care about moral law (unless a police threathen me to jail that's different story lahh... ) as long as i have GOD's grace, i will 2 things above.

This post has been edited by de1929: Jan 15 2015, 12:15 PM

You don't care but God cares.

The purpose of the Grace of God is to lead you out of Sin, not cause you to remain in it.

No doubt our acts doesn't earn us any Salvation but that doesn't mean we are not to set our mind on Holy Living.
Because that is how we're going to live in God's kingdom anyway. If that is our goal in life, why contradict what God has asked us to do?

What you're suggesting so far is not what Jesus teaches in the Bible.

Because acceptance of a wrong act can lead to another.
Soon you will lose sight of what is wrong or right. It will become blur.

You will be living a semi destructive or completely defeated life on earth.
Ask yourself why you lack the Faith to trust in God completely. That will give you an idea.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jan 15 2015, 01:37 PM

talk to bill wilson yourself lah UW.

1.INVEST in people live? what for? term invest shows you expect the return of investment.
2. win soul for Christ. Many sinners do bad things, corruption, bribes can win soul for Christ. the people he asked go churches become very devoted to God while he is still doing sinners for his benefit. what do you think about this guy? saved from GRACE? HALELUJAH City harvest FOUNDER pastor!

This post has been edited by leonhart88: Jan 15 2015, 04:29 PM