You seem to be very much against medicine. What 'bad experience' have you encountered?

where in any of my posts do you find anything that makes you come to that conclusion?

whare in any of my posts you find any factual error?.......

I do agree.You cant choose a uni based on the rankings but what are the things that i need to consider when i choose which uni to go.

I have my offers already but i dunno which one is good for engineering.Also,Melbourne Uni is bloody expensive.

i think one shouldn't be thinking about the "best".........the measure of the maturity of any country's education system, is that the training and degrees of the different universities are about the same...........

and any of oz's 1st tier (g8 and atnu) universities should be of equivalent quality..........

there is considerable cost difference between melbourne and the rest.........as you will no doubt have found out.............that is why i said, mel is NOT good value for money...........

engineering is a pretty basic course, and any of the g8 or atnu unis will provide you with adequate training...........i would choose then on
1: cost, both fees and living expenses
2: friends and family support and
3: climate

something else you might want to chew on..........engineers are in demand at the moment in oz, and it is quite easy to get a job and stay on, you are allowed a 1 1/2 year work visa automatically after graduation, and can apply for pr after that............and if you apply from some states, you get an extra 5 points...............eg sa...........

For ICT-related Engineering, i.e. those of the Computing and Electrical kinds, the unis which have consistently made an impact in Australia are Melbourne and UNSW. They both offer the most complete range of Engineering programs and have very strong industry recognition (from what I observed in the industry, graduates from these unis command better starting salaries compared to their peers, but the difference may be minimal since engineers are in high demand here anyway). Monash is also pretty strong in Computing afaik.

There's this Good Universities Guide thing in Australia that publishes the ratings of individual universities based on many factors, such as proportion of employed fresh graduates, average starting salary, student/staff satisfaction, student-staff ratio, etc. Ironically, some private universities such as Bond tend to outperform many Go8 universities for undergraduate education, so the Go8's size itself doesn't make them the best in all areas.

Melbourne uni was not that expensive a few years ago. It looks like they have just changed their fee structure, which I believe other Go8 unis will follow soon anyway. The difference isn't that huge anyway. If you can afford Monash or other unis in Melbourne, chances are you won't balk at Melbourne's fees.

Then,which Go8 uni is strong in Civil and Structural Engineering?

Im still considering to take either Civil and Structural or Electrical and Electronic Engineering.Any advise on those 2 course?

Besides,how much difference in education quality between Melbourne Uni and the other Go8?

Can we work in OZ once we finished our medical course over there? I heard OZ always been lack of doctors.. Lol..

You seem to keep blasting Melbourne University. Out of curiosity, have you graduated or are you still studying?

Yes, they will employ you, provided your English standard is high enough to get a PR.

again, where in my postings did i "blast" melbourne uni?

>.< gosh, chill guys xD we're here to chat bout schls and studies ^^ not to start a bushfire xD

Questions like these are extremely difficult to judge because Australian universities compete state wide, not nationwide. Their main incentive is to attract top students from their own state primarily because few students migrate interstate just to attend university. That is why there is a Go8 uni in every major city here.
In terms of all Engineering degrees, UNSW outperforms Sydney University and UTS by a considerable margin in the state of NSW. I think (I'm not too sure about this) that Melbourne University would be the equivalent in the state of Victoria, with Monash and RMIT a close competitor.

EVERYWHERE the cost, how it is the same standard as the other Australian Universities. What you love to do is to provoke people and I'm guessing its people like YOU who are jealous that others have better education than you and that YOU are either NOT accepted into Melbourne University or you can NOT afford it, so you are trying to discourage the fortunate people who are able to get into the University of Melbourne.

Want some evidence?

1. "and any of oz's 1st tier (g8 and atnu) universities should be of equivalent quality"
2. "i think mel u is not value for money for international students"
3. "but after you graduate, what med school you come from becomes secondary, and eventually irrelevant"

I respect your own opinion, but you do not have to be sarcastic towards me. I was simply asking a question and you had the chance of just answering it or not, but you chose sarcasm.

I support Trinity and Melbourne University 100%, I think they give good education and are absolutely worth every single cent that you spend. So what if they are expensive? Melbourne Uni does not have a very strong alumni such as Cambridge, Oxford etc.. and they can't afford to give a lot of scholarships to international students.

nooooo ....it is good to debate about aussie skool..coz sometime they are overrated ..

still have not indicated where i have "blasted" melbourne u........

any of the g8 or atnu is of good repute, like said by others, each have their relative strengths, and in the real world of employment, not of great difference..............did NOT say melb no good............

that being the case, if similar repute degree can be obtained at a cheaper place, that represents better value for money than melb u.............again did NOT say melb no good..........

as for doctor's pathways after the basic degree, why don't you talk to senior doctors who have gone through the mill, before making your comments?...........you will be surprised..........again did NOT say melb uni no good............

and finally, money IS a concern to the majority of people, and not many people are blessed with parents with unlimited budget..........but of course, if money is no obstacle, melb u is still the highest ranked uni in oz, like i said from the word go, by all means go for it...........it was others who cautioned about what these rankings may mean..............

never said melb u no good...........just that it is the most expensive, and the highest ranked uni in oz, but other 1st tier unis are equally good, facts that real world students with finite budgets will have to take into consideration in their decision making..........

some people are sensitive about "their" university..........and the snob value that comes with it.........

sorry, my style is sarcasm in general, especially when i detect dogma..........the dogma of the "best" of anything, the dogma of prestige, the dogma that it is worth every cent for you dad to sell the house so you can study at melb u instead of adelaide or monash...........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Sep 18 2007, 11:16 PM

Erm? I never know melbourne U was the top university in Australia. One of the top maybe, but i always recall ANU being ranked higher generally than that of Monash University.

Look people, Melbourne's city, expenses tend to be a bit wee high. What limeuu has recommended is generally to those that simply is weighing the scale of this two with a heavier weightage on expenses.

I've got relatives and friends studyin in Melbourne University and it is undeniable that the expenses will be higher, especially in the rent department. I'm in clayton, and i can say that living in Melbourne will be 200-400 more than what i'm spending (inclusive rent), and that is a lot.

hi , i m buf here. really happy that can found this threat here . and nice to meet u all . anyway , i have just graduated from nilai inti college for my diploma in civil engineering . NOW , i would like to proceed my studies to Australia . i planning to get a bachelor degree in civil engineering at uni of queensland at australia. Besides , i m looking for LOAN to go there ... my result is at the mid class somewhere around 60% passing rate..... Can u all give me some comment and information pls ? i have really stuck and blind for this ... i do research around one month + d .... but at the end i m still blur ....

wah...wat do you mean by loan ?
scholarship?
Ptptn loan ?

Just asking,how good is Adelaide uni?

adelaide is one of oz oldest uni...........2nd i think..........and has the distinction of the most alumni with the nobel prize...........

however, it suffers together with the state in being the laggard state in oz, so have problems attracting people to live there, and correspondingly academic staff..........

it's probably the laggard of the g8, but is still oz's 1st tier uni..........so quality is still very good..........and a cheaper place as well, both fees and living expenses.........

adelaide is a quiet "big town" (pop: 1.2m), quiet, less vibrant, but for students, less distractions..........

So,i should expect Adelaide Uni's education quality is worse than Unis like Melbourne Uni and UNSW.