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paskal
post Oct 1 2014, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Oct 1 2014, 04:13 PM)
1st 200 units already rm43.60 whistling.gif
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sorry i missed that. yes the first 200 unit will cost RM43.6

guys, this is not arguing. this is factual discussion on the cost.
before this people (even i) have no actual calculation on how much different induction VS gas. until the other guy posted the DOE link on energy comparison.

even tho it's normalized to india, the numbers inside it is based on fact. normalizing it to malaysian prices is easy once you know the number.

wife have been asking numerous time to go induction.
now i have scientific proof to turn her down. thanks to you guys. tongue.gif
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post Oct 1 2014, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Oct 1 2014, 04:22 PM)
Gas stove have to depend what type. As said, those 4 burners with oven below won't have high efficiency compare to those rm50-100 type.
Also, have to depend on the quality of LPG also, if the content having more heavier HC fractions, it will affect the firing also.
Gas burners depend greatly on air/fuel ratio sweat.gif
But again, when comparing on the price, good induction cooker cost rm1+++ or more while a good gas stove will just cost rm50-100.
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Price of branded induction cooker starts from RM3k and above. Spare part (electronic board) could easily in range of RM600 to RM1000. People say the induction slower to heat because the table top cheap type just over 1000W but the cheap gas stove producing more than 2000W of heat power. Much of stove heat power are wasted to the air heating the kitchen. Not a fair comparison. However, gas is still cheaper to use.

The only thing nice about the induction is that you have flat cooking surface. Easy to clean and look nicer laugh.gif

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post Oct 1 2014, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Oct 1 2014, 04:34 PM)
Price of branded induction cooker starts from RM3k and above. Spare part (electronic board) could easily in range of RM600 to RM1000. People say the induction slower to heat because the table top cheap type just over 1000W but the cheap gas stove producing more than 2000W of heat power. Much of stove heat power are wasted to the air heating the kitchen. Not a fair comparison. However, gas is still cheaper to use.

The only thing nice about the induction is that you have flat cooking surface. Easy to clean and look nicer  laugh.gif
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Try fried rice for 5 people with induction cooker, even the ceramic hot plate will be tough without proper wok.
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post Oct 1 2014, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(paskal @ Oct 1 2014, 04:31 PM)
sorry i missed that. yes the first 200 unit will cost RM43.6

guys, this is not arguing. this is factual discussion on the cost.
before this people (even i) have no actual calculation on how much different induction VS gas. until the other guy posted the DOE link on energy comparison.

even tho it's normalized to india, the numbers inside it is based on fact. normalizing it to malaysian prices is easy once you know the number.

wife have been asking numerous time to go induction.
now i have scientific proof to turn her down. thanks to you guys. tongue.gif
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I have been using induction for over 6yrs. Base on actual of usage compare to gas, induction do cost more for a meal. And it is just a 1800w induction cooker.

Those who use 3KW or 4KW induction.. sweat.gif
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post Oct 1 2014, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(paskal @ Oct 1 2014, 04:05 PM)
can't use this one bro. as the tariff is increasing.

people with bill at RM43.6 is paying RM0.218 per unit.
but people with bill at RM77 is paying at RM0.257 per unit. because the next 100 unit after 200 is at RM0.334
and people with RM128.6 is paying at RM0.3215 per unit for their 400 unit of usage.

did you get it?
it's averaged for all the units.

you can't say your AC costs cheaper to run at the start of the month because your bill is by then <200 unit and costs higher at the end of the month because by then you bill is already over 600 unit.
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Understand what you mean. I put in the link to show how much the actual cost and subsidy cost we are paying. Gas is subsidized, but electric too.
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post Oct 1 2014, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(paskal @ Oct 1 2014, 04:09 PM)
you still don't know how to calculate your electricity bill ah? aiseh.

say u used 500 units.
first 200 unit  = 0.218 per unit  = RM21.8
next 100 unit after 200 = 0.334/unit  = RM33.4
next 200 hundred after that 200 = 0.516/unit  = RM103.3

so total = 21.8 + 33.4 + 103.3 = RM158.5
so your average per unit is at RM0.317

feel free to correct.
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I get 'RM231.8 / 500 units = average at RM0.4636 per unit.' from your own calculation, which i presume you get it from the table provided by you which you circle them in red.

I just jump 2 row down to get the RM 452.70 and 1000 units.

Yes, i do know how the TNB tariff works, just i didn't croos check it with the table provided by you.

And your RM 231.80 now become RM 158.50 after your own calculation.
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post Oct 1 2014, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Oct 1 2014, 04:37 PM)
I have been using induction for over 6yrs. Base on actual of usage compare to gas, induction do cost more for a meal. And it is just a 1800w induction cooker.

Those who use 3KW or 4KW induction.. sweat.gif
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And my colleague induction cooker repair twice, is a reputable brand.

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QUOTE(weikee @ Oct 1 2014, 04:36 PM)
Try fried rice for 5 people with induction cooker, even the ceramic hot plate will be tough without proper wok.
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Of course you need that flat bottom type wok for use with induction or hotplate. Sliding around if you cannot hold steady. The gas one wok sit nicely and has "stove assist" laugh.gif

No doubt even with proper wok also tough if you not used to it nod.gif I can imagine
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post Oct 1 2014, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(paskal @ Oct 1 2014, 04:31 PM)
sorry i missed that. yes the first 200 unit will cost RM43.6

guys, this is not arguing. this is factual discussion on the cost.
before this people (even i) have no actual calculation on how much different induction VS gas. until the other guy posted the DOE link on energy comparison.

even tho it's normalized to india, the numbers inside it is based on fact. normalizing it to malaysian prices is easy once you know the number.

wife have been asking numerous time to go induction.
now i have scientific proof to turn her down. thanks to you guys. tongue.gif
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Don't use arguing, discuss more in depth will be better.
As said, going green are not just mouth talk. You don't produce CO2 at your home, but producing CO2 from other places because of the usage are still the same.
That's why I won't keep on saying safe the environment, because most of the activities we are doing are producing rubbish.

QUOTE(Zot @ Oct 1 2014, 04:34 PM)
Price of branded induction cooker starts from RM3k and above. Spare part (electronic board) could easily in range of RM600 to RM1000. People say the induction slower to heat because the table top cheap type just over 1000W but the cheap gas stove producing more than 2000W of heat power. Much of stove heat power are wasted to the air heating the kitchen. Not a fair comparison. However, gas is still cheaper to use.

The only thing nice about the induction is that you have flat cooking surface. Easy to clean and look nicer  laugh.gif
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Well said.
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QUOTE(Zot @ Oct 1 2014, 04:34 PM)
Price of branded induction cooker starts from RM3k and above. Spare part (electronic board) could easily in range of RM600 to RM1000. People say the induction slower to heat because the table top cheap type just over 1000W but the cheap gas stove producing more than 2000W of heat power. Much of stove heat power are wasted to the air heating the kitchen. Not a fair comparison. However, gas is still cheaper to use.

The only thing nice about the induction is that you have flat cooking surface. Easy to clean and look nicer  laugh.gif
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Induction not really slow to heat. Instead faster heat than the gas. Boiling water, gas no match the induction.


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post Oct 1 2014, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Oct 1 2014, 04:40 PM)
And my colleague induction cooker repair twice, is a reputable brand.
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I already throw 2 set. While exchange 2-3set between warranty.
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QUOTE(ozak @ Oct 1 2014, 04:46 PM)
I already throw 2 set. While exchange 2-3set between warranty.
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This will answer those who think induction is cheaper to operate wink.gif
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QUOTE(Zot @ Oct 1 2014, 04:40 PM)
Of course you need that flat bottom type wok for use with induction or hotplate. Sliding around if you cannot hold steady. The gas one wok sit nicely and has "stove assist"  laugh.gif

No doubt even with proper wok also tough if you not used to it  nod.gif  I can imagine
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Induction cooker do have for wok. Seen it before at 1U. I think the brand is pacific something.
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post Oct 1 2014, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Oct 1 2014, 04:52 PM)
Induction cooker do have for wok. Seen it before at 1U. I think the brand is pacific something.
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I can buy 10 maybe 20 cast iron woks. Cooking just more fun with cast iron wok.
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post Oct 1 2014, 04:55 PM

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One more point need to consider for those who planned to go for induction. It is nice to have 1 piece of glass with 4 hobs for cooking and look nicer than your normal 4 gas burner hobs but if you have power supply unit PCB faulty then get ready to eat outside for a day or two or even longer if no spare parts laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ozak @ Oct 1 2014, 04:46 PM)
I already throw 2 set. While exchange 2-3set between warranty.
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Induction have lots of electronic components. Heat is electronic components #1 enemy, and what do stove generate? smile.gif
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QUOTE(Zot @ Oct 1 2014, 04:55 PM)
One more point need to consider for those who planned to go for induction. It is nice to have 1 piece of glass with 4 hobs for cooking and look nicer than your normal 4 gas burner hobs but if you have power supply unit PCB faulty then get ready to eat outside for a day or two or even longer if no spare parts  laugh.gif
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Get 10KVA UPS biggrin.gif

Than again, for 4 burners, what is the KWh rating? 3000? or 4000? Wiring setup to handle that load?
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post Oct 1 2014, 04:59 PM

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Seem like another problem with induction cooker is durability.
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post Oct 1 2014, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Oct 1 2014, 04:55 PM)
Induction have lots of electronic components. Heat is electronic components #1 enemy, and what do stove generate? smile.gif
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The problem consist of button no feeling when press, button spoil after warranty and totally no function.

The most important of using induction is, don't OFF the main after cook. The internal fan will cool down the coil and OFF itself. Than you can OFF the main. Otherwise bye bye your induction.
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Induction do have its +ve things. I used to use it frequently too. The portable unit. Fast boiling, and able to set timer. Make porridge for my baby, set timer and no need worry.

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