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post Sep 30 2014, 10:03 PM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Sep 30 2014, 09:22 PM)
But still using induction here also cheaper and fast cooking
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http://www.citygas.com.sg/forhome/useful-info-2/gas-tariffs/

http://www.singaporepower.com.sg/irj/servl...ID1332134938209


> The electricity tariff for households is 25.28 cents per kWh (with effect from 1 Oct 14 to 31 Dec 14)

> The gas tariff for households is 21.06 cents per kWh (with effect from 1 Aug 14 to 31 Oct 14)

> The water tariff for households is $1.17 per cubic metre (below 40m3) and $1.40 per cubic metre (above
40m3)


So Gas is cheaper or Electric cheaper?

Induction is easy, footprint are smaller, it heat up fast, efficient than gas. Induction may not be as reliable as gas because it have electronic component.

If you use lots of hot water e.g. hot shower, gas still cheaper. And Rinnai sell lots of gas heater in Singapore.
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post Oct 1 2014, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(ReWeR @ Oct 1 2014, 10:13 AM)
quite the contrary, it is the opposite, gas cooker cost more than induction cooker.

see here: https://www.bijlibachao.com/appliances/cook...-induction.html

pls note m'sia using LPG stove (Liquefied Petroleum Gas)

i can see pretty soon induction will replace gas cooker in future.
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Come back 10 years you see gas still selling and people still using it to cook. Electric cost more to produce, because most untility company it still use natural gas to produce. Unless we switch to nuclear.

Gas produce good heat compare to induction, especially good for Chinese cooking.
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post Oct 1 2014, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Oct 1 2014, 10:33 AM)
Malaysia got gas subsidy. So the induction still can't beat the gas cooker for the cost of a meal.

And when the gas cost up, electricity cost up also.

I use induction cook for whole mth and the bill can shoot extra RM10-15+/mth. This is just 1 cook ring /1800w. How long 1 tong gas last?

The good of induction is, it easy to clean and takecare. No gas tong, hose and regulator. No fire hazard and explosion.

But still can't beat the gas fire. The way the fire heat the cook ware even. And the fire that can reach the cookware surface where induction can't.
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Without subsidy, gas still cheaper. Singapore is a good example to check the utility price.
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post Oct 1 2014, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Oct 1 2014, 11:13 AM)
Granted, this conjecture assumes no new discovery of gas fields within the next 10 years. South East Indian Ocean or near it could hold potential gas reserves. Thanks to effort to comb for the ill-fated MH370. On the face of it, you may be right if none turns up within the 10 years. But hey, anything can happen.
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If there are no more discovery all energy will sure go up.
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post Oct 1 2014, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(paskal @ Oct 1 2014, 01:16 PM)
thanks for the first post. but that's normalized for india prices.

here's when it's normalized to malaysian prices:
user posted image
adjusted for RM1.90 per kg LPG from KPDNKK controlled pricing.
adjusted for RM0.33 per unit electricity averaged from normal RM150-ish bill.

assuming that this :

is correct.
the original reference at http://www1.eere.energy.gov/buildings/appl...fs/cookgtsd.pdf could no longer be found.

so no.
LPG cooking is still cheaper in malaysia. even when the efficiency is at 40%. if you take into account the adoption cost of a good induction cooker, the higher risk of failure of the component; it's a no brainer really.
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Good calculation. Electric charges 33cents is average price? our non subsidy rate is 50+ cents.
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post Oct 1 2014, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(paskal @ Oct 1 2014, 03:28 PM)
yes. for users up to 400 units/400 kwh per month. bill should be RM128.6, which translates to RM0.32 per unit (RM128.6/400).

user posted image

but people with RM130 bill usually aren't the ones that will go with these high tech cooking thingy.
let's adjust to people with bill at RM230 as those people are more likely to get one.

RM231.8 / 500 units = average at RM0.4636 per unit.
so it will get to this:
user posted image

but hey, if you bought one of this induction thingy and it bumped your bill up to the >600 unit, you average will be even higher. the cost will go even higher.
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Use this one, direct from TNB

http://www.tnb.com.my/residential/pricing-...riff-rates.html


Tariff A - Domestic Tariff
For the first 200 kWh (1 - 200 kWh) per month 21.80 sen/kWh
For the next 100 kWh (201 - 300 kWh) per month 33.40 sen/kWh
For the next 300 kWh (301 - 600 kWh) per month 51.60 sen/kWh
For the next 300 kWh (601 - 900 kWh) per month 54.60 sen/kWh
And Onward 57.10 sen/kWh
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post Oct 1 2014, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Oct 1 2014, 04:34 PM)
Price of branded induction cooker starts from RM3k and above. Spare part (electronic board) could easily in range of RM600 to RM1000. People say the induction slower to heat because the table top cheap type just over 1000W but the cheap gas stove producing more than 2000W of heat power. Much of stove heat power are wasted to the air heating the kitchen. Not a fair comparison. However, gas is still cheaper to use.

The only thing nice about the induction is that you have flat cooking surface. Easy to clean and look nicer  laugh.gif
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Try fried rice for 5 people with induction cooker, even the ceramic hot plate will be tough without proper wok.
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post Oct 1 2014, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(paskal @ Oct 1 2014, 04:05 PM)
can't use this one bro. as the tariff is increasing.

people with bill at RM43.6 is paying RM0.218 per unit.
but people with bill at RM77 is paying at RM0.257 per unit. because the next 100 unit after 200 is at RM0.334
and people with RM128.6 is paying at RM0.3215 per unit for their 400 unit of usage.

did you get it?
it's averaged for all the units.

you can't say your AC costs cheaper to run at the start of the month because your bill is by then <200 unit and costs higher at the end of the month because by then you bill is already over 600 unit.
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Understand what you mean. I put in the link to show how much the actual cost and subsidy cost we are paying. Gas is subsidized, but electric too.
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post Oct 1 2014, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Oct 1 2014, 04:37 PM)
I have been using induction for over 6yrs. Base on actual of usage compare to gas, induction do cost more for a meal. And it is just a 1800w induction cooker.

Those who use 3KW or 4KW induction.. sweat.gif
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And my colleague induction cooker repair twice, is a reputable brand.

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post Oct 1 2014, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Oct 1 2014, 04:52 PM)
Induction cooker do have for wok. Seen it before at 1U. I think the brand is pacific something.
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I can buy 10 maybe 20 cast iron woks. Cooking just more fun with cast iron wok.
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post Oct 1 2014, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Oct 1 2014, 04:46 PM)
I already throw 2 set. While exchange 2-3set between warranty.
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Induction have lots of electronic components. Heat is electronic components #1 enemy, and what do stove generate? smile.gif
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post Oct 1 2014, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Oct 1 2014, 04:55 PM)
One more point need to consider for those who planned to go for induction. It is nice to have 1 piece of glass with 4 hobs for cooking and look nicer than your normal 4 gas burner hobs but if you have power supply unit PCB faulty then get ready to eat outside for a day or two or even longer if no spare parts  laugh.gif
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Get 10KVA UPS biggrin.gif

Than again, for 4 burners, what is the KWh rating? 3000? or 4000? Wiring setup to handle that load?
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post Oct 1 2014, 05:10 PM

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Induction do have its +ve things. I used to use it frequently too. The portable unit. Fast boiling, and able to set timer. Make porridge for my baby, set timer and no need worry.
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post Oct 1 2014, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Oct 1 2014, 05:04 PM)
The problem consist of button no feeling when press, button spoil after warranty and totally no function.

The most important of using induction is, don't OFF the main after cook. The internal fan will cool down the coil and OFF itself. Than you can OFF the main. Otherwise bye bye your induction.
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I think some brand the control/dial are more lasting. My colleague unit, the burner (induction coil) itself damage. Maybe he use it too long for soup boiling and the copper get damage.
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post Oct 2 2014, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Oct 2 2014, 11:26 AM)
Nope, 1 grade lower, but still the firing is good thumbup.gif
Those type need lots of air, else will result to yellow fire.
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The burner have breather hole. I use all the restaurant type, from "coke can" type to "mui fa lou" silver color type where fried kueh teow always use.

Yellow fire only happen when there is blockage or the burner are dirty, a full blast of fire will solve the problem.

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post Oct 2 2014, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Oct 2 2014, 11:38 AM)
Emmm, not enough also, as coming to the end of life, the firing are very pure and leaving black residue on the wok's bottom.
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That is the gas, any gas tank going to be empty soon will have some yellowish.
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post Oct 2 2014, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Oct 2 2014, 12:00 PM)
Not really, mine when reach 50% already start giving yellow fire. The gas quality matters.
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Possible, but i use red tank so far so good when reach around 20% or 1+month balance only have slight yellowish.

 

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