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induction cooker vs gas stove
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Zot
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Oct 1 2014, 04:06 PM
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QUOTE(ReWeR @ Oct 1 2014, 12:02 PM) some of the first world countries enforce the use of induction is due to the long term cost. some costs are hidden and you'll not see it immediately, such the effect of petrol based burning cost to the environment. i don't want to provide too much details as it will derail everything. if you want a short answer whether gas stove or induction which one cost more, I can directly tell you it is gas stove. My first questions are: 1) Do you cook? 2) Did you own induction cooker? 3) Do you know how much it cost for table top gas cooker/induction cooker? 4) Did you know how much it cost for induction cooker spare part?
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Zot
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Oct 1 2014, 04:09 PM
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No need to argue here. Gas is still the cheapest in Malaysia. However in term of efficiency. Induction>Hot Plate>Gas but still gas is the cheapest to operate. Take my words
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Oct 1 2014, 04:34 PM
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QUOTE(supersound @ Oct 1 2014, 04:22 PM) Gas stove have to depend what type. As said, those 4 burners with oven below won't have high efficiency compare to those rm50-100 type. Also, have to depend on the quality of LPG also, if the content having more heavier HC fractions, it will affect the firing also. Gas burners depend greatly on air/fuel ratio But again, when comparing on the price, good induction cooker cost rm1+++ or more while a good gas stove will just cost rm50-100. Price of branded induction cooker starts from RM3k and above. Spare part (electronic board) could easily in range of RM600 to RM1000. People say the induction slower to heat because the table top cheap type just over 1000W but the cheap gas stove producing more than 2000W of heat power. Much of stove heat power are wasted to the air heating the kitchen. Not a fair comparison. However, gas is still cheaper to use. The only thing nice about the induction is that you have flat cooking surface. Easy to clean and look nicer
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Oct 1 2014, 04:40 PM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Oct 1 2014, 04:36 PM) Try fried rice for 5 people with induction cooker, even the ceramic hot plate will be tough without proper wok. Of course you need that flat bottom type wok for use with induction or hotplate. Sliding around if you cannot hold steady. The gas one wok sit nicely and has "stove assist" No doubt even with proper wok also tough if you not used to it  I can imagine
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Oct 1 2014, 04:49 PM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Oct 1 2014, 04:46 PM) I already throw 2 set. While exchange 2-3set between warranty. This will answer those who think induction is cheaper to operate
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Oct 1 2014, 04:55 PM
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One more point need to consider for those who planned to go for induction. It is nice to have 1 piece of glass with 4 hobs for cooking and look nicer than your normal 4 gas burner hobs but if you have power supply unit PCB faulty then get ready to eat outside for a day or two or even longer if no spare parts
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Zot
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Oct 1 2014, 05:23 PM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Oct 1 2014, 04:57 PM) Get 10KVA UPS  Than again, for 4 burners, what is the KWh rating? 3000? or 4000? Wiring setup to handle that load? The design to some extend already robust for house electrical but component failure is not predictable. The design of power supply is not like you imagine. Let say the power is 3kW. It will be shared among all 4 hobs. If you use one hob at one time, maximum designed power for that hob is supplied but if you use 2 hobs at same time the power might be reduced to share. So each hob might not operate at maximum design capacity. Even for branded one I believe all like this. Just like aircon, you might not want to share wiring with other appliances. For my house I pulled separate cable, same size as incoming from TNB to kitchen and has separate DB (Distribution Box). So part of the kitchen and room at the back of my house go through separate DB than the original from constructors. I save a lot of money because I did this together with my friend  , Necessary or not? Can't really tell because depends on actual house wiring. Mostly wiring contractor not really honest on wire they use
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Dec 11 2015, 10:18 AM
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QUOTE(noien @ Sep 16 2015, 01:19 PM) now getting harder to find empty cylinder? current house only 1 tank but i prefer to have 2 now any1 know the reason? Why would you want to find empty cylinder? When you finished a cylinder, buy new one and keep old one. You get 1 empty cylinder. If you want additional spare, order two cylinders, return the empty one. Now you have one for use and one standby This post has been edited by Zot: Dec 11 2015, 10:20 AM
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Dec 11 2015, 10:21 AM
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Anyone here using induction built-in hob (not table top type)? What is the good brand?
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Dec 11 2015, 10:32 AM
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QUOTE(idoblu @ Dec 11 2015, 10:25 AM) Many dealers said Teka service is bad. So about 9 years ago I went for Fagor, but recently the new technician is very bad. I was told that Fagor closed for a while and now just started again. Was it true? The problem is that the hob dimension is slightly different and I just try to avoid hole trimming. I'm using the modular type with 510x288mm. Looks like Rinnai has the exact dimension but it has no timer. Smeg is same dimension with Electrolux but dimension is 515x300 if not mistaken
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Dec 11 2015, 10:35 AM
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QUOTE(idoblu @ Dec 11 2015, 10:28 AM) my boss complain "induction very slow to heat up" first time using induction so i dunno if mine is working correctly or not setting put to 5, above that scared burn my SS pots and pan normally takes how long to boil a quart of water? LIke gas, how fast to boil water is how much power the hob can produce. Many table top induction is low power. So it might be slower than gas unless using small gas hob. If same power between gas and induction, for sure induction will win because induction heat the pot directly
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Zot
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Dec 11 2015, 11:12 AM
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QUOTE(idoblu @ Dec 11 2015, 10:35 AM) deswai all these hob should have standard measurements, maybe one for square, one for rectangular. That way, can find a replacement without having to worry about cannot fit the hole.... anyway I think mine is pretty standard size. I think newer models from many mfr is slightly bigger. The Teka is 510mm just like Fagor, but new Fagor I think is 515mm instead of 510mm. Anyway, how was your Teka? Any problem in 6 years of usage? Fagor has same failure on control board where it cannot detect the pot. Ii is using an OEM board and I think it is used by many other models also. Was trying to look Internet but not found. Only found the big power board
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Zot
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Dec 11 2015, 11:31 AM
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QUOTE(idoblu @ Dec 11 2015, 11:24 AM) just started using for few months  So it is a discontinued model. So you must be getting very good price on it? Since it is a 3 hobs model, probably need a 30A power source, right? So, you cannot use the 3 pin plug I believe
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Dec 11 2015, 12:02 PM
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QUOTE(idoblu @ Dec 11 2015, 11:42 AM) "yup" to all the above bought it at 50% off during their warehouse sale. brand new in box not using a plug, terus sambung to a switch Hope that it need no repair within 5 years. My induction power board faulty once and it costed me RM800+. The control board faulty and replaced (cannot recall how much it costed) but after 6 months faulty again. I wrote a letter to Fagor Malaysia and the manager get it replaced for me FOC Teka is more expensive brand. So it will cost more
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Dec 11 2015, 12:08 PM
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QUOTE(idoblu @ Dec 11 2015, 12:04 PM) instead of repairing (if it cost too much), just wait for next warehouse sale and buy a new one you should see how much Bosch sells their induction hob during their warehouse sale. Around Rm500 according to one forummer here Really? Bosch is even double the price but unfortunately the size is bigger and it won't fit in Anyway, you have to be really lucky to be able to have your hob faulty during sales event
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