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ozak
post Oct 1 2014, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(ReWeR @ Oct 1 2014, 10:13 AM)
quite the contrary, it is the opposite, gas cooker cost more than induction cooker.

see here: https://www.bijlibachao.com/appliances/cook...-induction.html

pls note m'sia using LPG stove (Liquefied Petroleum Gas)

i can see pretty soon induction will replace gas cooker in future.
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Malaysia got gas subsidy. So the induction still can't beat the gas cooker for the cost of a meal.

And when the gas cost up, electricity cost up also.

I use induction cook for whole mth and the bill can shoot extra RM10-15+/mth. This is just 1 cook ring /1800w. How long 1 tong gas last?

The good of induction is, it easy to clean and takecare. No gas tong, hose and regulator. No fire hazard and explosion.

But still can't beat the gas fire. The way the fire heat the cook ware even. And the fire that can reach the cookware surface where induction can't.


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post Oct 1 2014, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(paskal @ Oct 1 2014, 04:31 PM)
sorry i missed that. yes the first 200 unit will cost RM43.6

guys, this is not arguing. this is factual discussion on the cost.
before this people (even i) have no actual calculation on how much different induction VS gas. until the other guy posted the DOE link on energy comparison.

even tho it's normalized to india, the numbers inside it is based on fact. normalizing it to malaysian prices is easy once you know the number.

wife have been asking numerous time to go induction.
now i have scientific proof to turn her down. thanks to you guys. tongue.gif
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I have been using induction for over 6yrs. Base on actual of usage compare to gas, induction do cost more for a meal. And it is just a 1800w induction cooker.

Those who use 3KW or 4KW induction.. sweat.gif
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post Oct 1 2014, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Oct 1 2014, 04:34 PM)
Price of branded induction cooker starts from RM3k and above. Spare part (electronic board) could easily in range of RM600 to RM1000. People say the induction slower to heat because the table top cheap type just over 1000W but the cheap gas stove producing more than 2000W of heat power. Much of stove heat power are wasted to the air heating the kitchen. Not a fair comparison. However, gas is still cheaper to use.

The only thing nice about the induction is that you have flat cooking surface. Easy to clean and look nicer  laugh.gif
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Induction not really slow to heat. Instead faster heat than the gas. Boiling water, gas no match the induction.


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post Oct 1 2014, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Oct 1 2014, 04:40 PM)
And my colleague induction cooker repair twice, is a reputable brand.
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I already throw 2 set. While exchange 2-3set between warranty.
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post Oct 1 2014, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Oct 1 2014, 04:40 PM)
Of course you need that flat bottom type wok for use with induction or hotplate. Sliding around if you cannot hold steady. The gas one wok sit nicely and has "stove assist"  laugh.gif

No doubt even with proper wok also tough if you not used to it  nod.gif  I can imagine
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Induction cooker do have for wok. Seen it before at 1U. I think the brand is pacific something.
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post Oct 1 2014, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Oct 1 2014, 04:55 PM)
Induction have lots of electronic components. Heat is electronic components #1 enemy, and what do stove generate? smile.gif
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The problem consist of button no feeling when press, button spoil after warranty and totally no function.

The most important of using induction is, don't OFF the main after cook. The internal fan will cool down the coil and OFF itself. Than you can OFF the main. Otherwise bye bye your induction.
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post Oct 2 2014, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Oct 2 2014, 10:14 AM)
The 50-100 burners you referred to is the one with 3 distrubtion rings as those used in CKT stall or Tai Chow? The ones that need a high pressure regulator types or some other units? Love those. When it's hot, it's very hot. On high burn mode, it gives a satisfying 'whrrr' sound.
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Last time, I used to repair this 'jet engine'. Scary. sweat.gif
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post Oct 2 2014, 08:27 PM

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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Oct 2 2014, 02:26 PM)
Wah...how so?
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The fire burn strong and like jet engine sound. If you slow flame up the burner after open the valve, the bom sound scary. And you need skill to control open the valve how big. Nowadays all have pilot flame beside for easy fire up. Beginning time, no such pilot flame. If you use matchstick, prepare get burn your hand. So people light up a newspaper , put on the burner and than open the valve.


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post Dec 12 2015, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Dec 11 2015, 10:28 AM)
my boss complain "induction very slow to heat up"
first time using induction so i dunno if mine is working correctly or not
setting put to 5, above that scared burn my SS pots and pan  sad.gif

normally takes how long to boil a quart of water?
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It should be boil faster than gas.

It only take less than 2min to boil a liter of water.

Check is there any boil water mode. Which usually at higher power.

If there is something like oil, water or cooking stuff in your SS pan, it won't burn. SS pan burn when dry. But it will take time start to burn.

Check your manual the 1-5 mode at each is represent how many watt. 2kw-2.5kw should be very fast boiling. My 1 use 1.8kw to boil.
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post Dec 12 2015, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Dec 12 2015, 10:08 AM)
The problem is we takut to turn on full power. I think 9 is high then got one more step full power. We put to 5 cause sked the SS pot turn color to blue. That Zwelling pot put 5 with water in it also can change color wan dunno why so lauyar 😞
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It will take sometime to change color.

My IKEA 365 pan turn brown at bottom after sometime. And some pot are still perfectly nice.

I wouldn't care much about this burn mark. It is expecting some color change for cooking stuff.

That 5 mode probably is very low watt.
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post Dec 12 2015, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Dec 12 2015, 10:24 AM)
What setting do you normally use? Low, medium or high?
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Frankly speaking, I don't no what setting is it.

I just put a mug on it and press the power button. That it. 1 min, and I get the hot water.

For cook maggi mee, too hot, just press down button to the step it slow enough. Or up button if too slow.
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post Dec 12 2015, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Dec 12 2015, 11:49 AM)
Your hob vitro ceramic? Mug also can heat up unless got metal bottom, the hob can't be induction.
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Sorry. It is a SS mug. Something size of 400-500ml.

Guess you see before with zebra brand.
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post Dec 12 2015, 02:11 PM

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I always wonder is there any different of using different size cook set to boil the same amount of water.

And induction should be boil faster than gas or fuel or wood stove. But have you guys test it out ?

So idoblu boss have question problem about his induction, and suddenly pop out this doubt thing.

Decide to give it a test.

1st testing is the size of the cook set on induction. Will bigger size boil faster?

I use a mug and a bow to test. Both set to max 2kw with 500ml of water. The result

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Confirm bigger size boil faster. As the contact surface is bigger. Which help to induce more. A bow help to save 45sec of time compare a mug.

2nd is compare with different kind of hob. I don't have gas hob. (Actually i have but no gas) tongue.gif So can't test with it. I only have fuel and wood stove.

This is the fuel stove using mineral spirit. Can be said quite hot fuel.

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This is wood stove. An efficiency wood stove. Not what you guys think of an ancient tech.

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I forget to snap shoot the timer. But not mistaken it is about 3.15min.

The result is induction is much more faster compare fuel and wood stove. smile.gif
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post Dec 12 2015, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Dec 12 2015, 03:47 PM)
Good and useful post. Efficient wood stove is designed for camping? Should try a volcano kettle.
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Walau, you not asking me carry such big and heavy volcano kettle inside jungle kua. Anyway it still not that efficiency as compare to size.

The wood stove is only a kg weight and small enough stuff inside the bag. Beside boil water, it can use for cooking and convert to BBQ.

It is for outdoor and prepper.
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post Dec 14 2015, 09:10 AM

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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Dec 13 2015, 08:43 AM)
Lol, they come in different sizes and standard issue for the NZ Army. Kelly Kettle makes them in different sizes even for boy scouts and they sell then with pots and pans and burning base that all fits like a doll in a doll in a doll fashion and then packed in a carrying bag.
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I know about this volcano kettle when sturdy the different before that. (What is best wood stove I can buy) It do have an advantage which it come with a kettle combine as a stove. Many don't. But the size matter if not the weight is still consent me.

Why I don't choose the volcano is because of the size which are not good for packing into your Backpack. It takeout a lot of space. 2nd is the kettle. I don't need the kettle as it waste of space. Kettle is an extra not require thing if you're weight conscious. 3rd is the fire up the stove. It is not easy to start a fire using wood. Specially here in MY. Most of the jungle here is wet and high moisture. Require high skill. I m kindagarden level only. tongue.gif Volcano don't have an extra tool inside to help start a fire. 4rd is the efficiency. I only need 4-5pcs of wood size of 15x15x120mm to cook a maggi mee.
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post Dec 14 2015, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(zheilwane @ Dec 14 2015, 12:18 AM)
great effort ozak.

OK, when i have time i will test Induction Vs Gas Vs Ceramic Hob since i do sell all three of these hobs. Never tested them before but would b a great idea to c which is boil faster smile.gif

I only tested on gas before for 800ml water it takes ard 4min with a small to medium size pot.
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Yeah, Please do some testing. It help your business and better understanding to explain to the customer.
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post Dec 14 2015, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Dec 14 2015, 06:58 AM)
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If you have, try with 3 different size pots using 1 liter of distilled water.
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Where can I get the distilled water cheap?

Here KL freaking expensive which a 5L cost RM35. sweat.gif

 

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