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English Clubs Liverpool Kop Talk 2014, Newcastle-1, Liverpool-0

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kevafk
post Nov 2 2014, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Nov 2 2014, 06:31 AM)
Some good players suddenly turn into bad players. Making school boys mistakes.

The question most need to ask themselves is does one forget how to play football ? or they are trying to play a system that the manager expects them too?
Honestly I believe in the latter, a simple example is reina who for several reasons kept clean sheets for the team, yet many said he lost his mojo. We change a supposedly better keeper, yet the opposition(s) continues to punch thru goals the same manner what was critisized of reina.

When gerrard houllier came to Liverpool esp when he became the sole manager (not as joint manager), he knew how poor Liverpool was then but made to play basics. Defend.

It was often gawd awful to watch but he was slowly craving results. He knew he would eventually had us perform the way to win throphies . Sure some of us still hated houllier's football but he did fight to ensure Liverpool makes a about turn in fortunes.

A lot of ex players gave raving reviews of Rodgers last season because it reminded them of the old Liverpool and OF when Liverpool plays beautify fast attacking football. Remember the spice boys ? Jaime redknapp, fowler and gang were scoring almost at will.. That's the Liverpool many were happy to see Rodgers Liverpool. Not houllier, not steewpeed rafa's Liverpool team.
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Houllier never change his defence at all, it is always Markus Babbel, Carragher (as right back), Hyppia, Stephane Henchoz which what i've seen one of the solid defence liverpool could possible ever have. Yea they may be not as attacking or technical compared to football now.

Skrtel + Lovren just doesnt work similiar style having them badging each other. He needs to at least drop one of them, if he have confident with Lovren then drop Skrtel or vice versa.


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post Nov 2 2014, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 2 2014, 10:22 AM)
You really like what BR has showed in Liv since the season start?  sweat.gif
Never mind, everyone entitled for their like.  smile.gif

Everyone already said Balo doesn't work with lone striker, as well as the team currently, yet, BR stubbornly put the same formation every match.

How many time that criticism about 4-5-1, 4-3-3 doesn't work with current set up and personnel?
Set aside how poor the new BR's recruit is. 

No people want to win anything here,  smile.gif  but the performance was simply awful, that's where the criticism about BR.
Criticism /= calling for sack, it is a wake up call for the manager to rectify something obvious not right at the moment.
It is not one match or two of poor performance, but series of matches since the season started.
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I liked BR not since start of the season but very beginning, he changes the style of play compared to KK. He gave all the youth a chance to play at the beginning, surely no one know about BR all the big players like Suarez, Gerrard, Reina etc.. They gave him a chance to see what he has got. Mourinho was no one when he was coaching in Sporting & Porto he wasnt even a good as a player back then. So all these giving me an idea what BR could do, young, new idea, but he needed time. Everyone know we played differently since he took over, especially when he bought Coutinho & Sturridge and promoted Sterling.

But yea everyone makes mistakes, i dearly hope those mistake would not cost him the job. I could only pity him, because he has potential. I liked these young energetic manager, they celebrate on the pitch like they were playing jumping up and down showing passion to the crowd. But they needed to be given chance & time.

So thats why i dont mind BR, Martinez or whoever is younger manager to take charge.

It is just my own opinion, im not here to influence anyone or advise or being sarcastic

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 2 2014, 10:40 AM)
This is the second time, Moreno made a "school boy" error in defending, very similar to first one in the early season.
Aka try to control ball in six yard area, but ball being robbed by opponent.

Just no long ago, the manager speaking of no need a proper defending coach...  sweat.gif
Isn't it, this showed lack of proper defending coaching?
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it doesnt take a defending coach to tell you to kick the ball out of the 6yd box the first opportunity u get.
mignolet also almost made an error if not for some fancy footwork.
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post Nov 2 2014, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(kevafk @ Nov 2 2014, 12:18 PM)
I liked BR not since start of the season but very beginning, he changes the style of play compared to KK. He gave all the youth a chance to play at the beginning, surely no one know about BR all the big players like Suarez, Gerrard, Reina etc.. They gave him a chance to see what he has got. Mourinho was no one when he was coaching in Sporting & Porto he wasnt even a good as a player back then. So all these giving me an idea what BR could do, young, new idea, but he needed time. Everyone know we played differently since he took over, especially when he bought Coutinho & Sturridge and promoted Sterling.

But yea everyone makes mistakes, i dearly hope those mistake would not cost him the job. I could only pity him, because he has potential. I liked these young energetic manager, they celebrate on the pitch like they were playing jumping up and down showing passion to the crowd. But they needed to be given chance & time.

So thats why i dont mind BR, Martinez or whoever is younger manager to take charge.

It is just my own opinion, im not here to influence anyone or advise or being sarcastic
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Mourino was nobody back then, pretty much right but don't forget mourino was under the tutelage VG before. Even when mourino made a name for himself winning champions league with porto. He did it with strong defence. Many criticise him for his park the bus type of way to glory.

He knew, he knew the porto players can't bring him success should he go all out to attack, there weren't world class players, but tucking in all this under his belt ensures he gets into the right team where the owners trust him in spotting and buying the right players to play expansive type of modern football which critics are showered glowing reviews.

Liverpool, wait. Rodgers isn't there yet, but yet in his great ideas of his decides to play 4-3-3, 4-5-1 when we haven't have the correct mix of players. I not, most of us are not critising rodgers for the sack, but asking him to wake up from dreamland where we are not Barcelona. We have no Messi, to have such player run rings on the opposition.

When the team starts to win regularly, and when we ever win throphies, then enbark on his fantasy football. By then we should be able to attract players, marquee players who would not turn down to work with the manager.

He is asking for patience. We are giving him that. But he needs to see play with your strengths not play with ideals
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post Nov 2 2014, 11:55 AM

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What up with King all of the sudden

At least King won us a mickey mouse cup, and nearly won us another kiki lala cup, he nearly made double trophy.

Oh I know both of them have a shit transfer history, but I will not put Carroll in it, cause hes a last min, yea literally last min panic buy.

So yea just wake me up when BR win us a trophy.

Btw, just check on how many times did the team under King hit the woodworks.

Oh and to all the BR fan boi out there, its King who promote and give chance to the youth like Sterling, Kelly, and Flanno from the youth, the capable youth I would say, yea get your facts right before hoo haa and jizzed for BR. BR used them more often is just because of the sole fact of lack of players and funds back then.

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post Nov 2 2014, 12:02 PM

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Why Sakho did not play? is he injured? IMO he much better defender than Lovren
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Nov 2 2014, 11:50 AM)
Mourino was nobody back then, pretty much right but don't forget mourino was under the tutelage VG before. Even when mourino made a name for himself winning champions league with porto. He did it with strong defence. Many criticise him for his park the bus type of way to glory.

He knew, he knew the porto players can't bring him success should he go all out to attack, there weren't world class players, but tucking in all this under his belt ensures he gets into the right team where the owners trust him in spotting and buying the right players to play expansive type of modern football which critics are showered glowing reviews.

Liverpool, wait. Rodgers isn't there yet, but yet in his great ideas of his decides to play 4-3-3, 4-5-1 when we haven't have the correct mix of players. I not, most of us are not critising rodgers for the sack, but asking him to wake up from dreamland where we are not Barcelona. We have no Messi, to have such player run rings on the opposition.

When the team starts to win regularly, and when we ever win throphies, then enbark on his fantasy football. By then we should be able to attract players, marquee players who would not turn down to work with the manager.

He is asking for patience. We are giving him that. But he needs to see play with your strengths not play with ideals
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Yea im not comparing 1 to 1 to Mourinho, everyone starts from somewhere. Somewhere which Liverpool fans may not like it but we were nowhere near we supposed to be back then. Just because we got 2nd last season everyone overhyped.

Like i said it is not over yet, if the result end of the season without any cup, did not qualify for CL then yea he should get the sack. For now i am holding out until end of the season and lets see from there.


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QUOTE(lone_wolf @ Nov 2 2014, 12:02 PM)
Why Sakho did not play? is he injured? IMO he much better defender than Lovren
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sakho out til end of month.
and i still think lovren is still better...

as for defensive coach...i think if there was one...he would be clashing heads with BR every single day.
its no surprise anymore BR always lets both wingbacks roam up front, and splitting both CB wide with a DM covering the hole between both CB.

a defensive coach would probably want something like a proper flat 4, with 2 DM protecting... tongue.gif
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post Nov 2 2014, 12:09 PM

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Owait Sterling played regularly with KK? fact plz, show me numbers we hit wood work. Coz stats talks here, compare goals we score under BR. OH please dont give me Suarez here and Suarez there if you want to talk about other players. smile.gif

Yep we trained to hit wood work, achievement unlocked *CHING*

Close to win still not a win, there is only 1 winner

People clearly did not read my post properly, dont know what they bubbling about. I said the style of play compared to KK, not whatsover achievement. sigh

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post Nov 2 2014, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(kevafk @ Nov 2 2014, 12:09 PM)
Owait Sterling played regularly with KK? fact plz, show me numbers we hit wood work. Coz stats talks here, compare goals we score under BR. OH please dont give me Suarez here and Suarez there if you want to talk about other players. smile.gif

Yep we trained to hit wood work, achievement unlocked *CHING*

Close to win still not a win, there is only 1 winner
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KK promoted Sterling. period.

a Liverpool fans who watch the season will know how much wood works we hit. and its just to show how unlucky King is. oh i know you would say luck is bullshit.
stats talk here? what? doh.gif google it then.

oh so mickey mouse cup is not a cup eh?

no I did not mention Suarez at all.

Ah sigh, I will pass this one and agree to disagree, its like an infinite discussion.

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post Nov 2 2014, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(AnythingK @ Nov 2 2014, 12:13 PM)
KK promoted Sterling. period.

a Liverpool fans who watch the season will know how much wood works we hit.
stats talk here?  what?   doh.gif  google it then.

no I did not mention Suarez at all.

Ah sigh, I will pass this one and agree to disagree, its like an infinite discussion.
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yea definitely doh.gif

achievement unlock

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post Nov 2 2014, 12:17 PM

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In short, BR will never surpass Rafa, unless he win CL.

The same with King, unless he win us a cup this season, which is still possible as of now.
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QUOTE(AnythingK @ Nov 2 2014, 11:55 AM)
What up with King all of the sudden

At least King won us a mickey mouse cup, and nearly won us another kiki lala cup, he nearly made double trophy.

Oh I know both of them have a shit transfer history, but I will not put Carroll in it, cause hes a last min, yea literally last min panic buy.

So yea just wake me up when BR win us a trophy.

Btw, just check on how many times did the team under King hit the woodworks.

Oh and to all the BR fan boi out there, its King who promote and give chance to the youth like Sterling, Kelly, and Flanno from the youth, the capable youth I would say, yea get your facts right before hoo haa and jizzed for BR. BR used them more often is just because of the sole fact of lack of players and funds back then.
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actually rafa was the one who gave kelly his debut.
and sterling was of cos also rafa's signing, and who was brought along during preseason friendlies then.
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"Look at Tottenham, (when) you spend over £100m you'd expect to be challenging for the league," said Rodgers as he spoke about Liverpool punching above their weight before the defeat to Chelsea in April. He must now regret those words after the same level of investment has seen his team go backwards.
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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Nov 2 2014, 12:18 PM)
"Look at Tottenham, (when) you spend over £100m you'd expect to be challenging for the league," said Rodgers as he spoke about Liverpool punching above their weight before the defeat to Chelsea in April. He must now regret those words after the same level of investment has seen his team go backwards.
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Ouch..backfired..


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post Nov 2 2014, 12:34 PM

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Out thread from last season "Suarez!!!!! Coutinho!!!! Sturridge!!! Sterling!!!" to now "Bashing Bashing Bashing"
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 2 2014, 11:39 AM)
it doesnt take a defending coach to tell you to kick the ball out of the 6yd box the first opportunity u get.
mignolet also almost made an error if not for some fancy footwork.
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I think it is more related to him being a young player... not matured enough to make the right decision.
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[quote=farisq,Nov 2 2014, 12:45 PM]
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I think it is more related to him being a young player... not matured enough to make the right decision.
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well, can say he panic.
can also say BR tells him to tiki taka his way out of the 6yd box tongue.gif
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[quote=Everdying,Nov 2 2014, 12:46 PM]
I think it is more related to him being a young player... not matured enough to make the right decision.
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well, can say he panic.
can also say BR tells him to tiki taka his way out of the 6yd box tongue.gif
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Yup we can't really tell biggrin.gif but to me tiki taka also has its limit.. doesn't make sense to tiki taka when opponent very close to you
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QUOTE(alan_kong84 @ Nov 2 2014, 12:34 PM)
Out thread from last season "Suarez!!!!! Coutinho!!!! Sturridge!!! Sterling!!!" to now "Bashing Bashing Bashing"
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More like the cold hard truth. We were great last season, hence we were happy. We are shitty this season, hence we are.. not pleased. It's quite simple really.

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