This has always been the problem with Malaysia. We don't have enough dough but we want to berlagak like a big and rich country. We spent a lots of our budget to learn and make our own armored vehicles and warships. because we spent so much to acquire those capability, we can only buy in small quantity compare to what we really need immediately. In the end, the cost per unit is so high that we could have bought them off the shelf in quantity that we need, in timeline that we need for the same amount we spent doing it ourselves. Capability is not forever unless you continue to retain those by continue building them. Once stop, you may lost that capability as the peoples (human capital) who has those knowledge will leaves as well. Mau cari makan mah. You can create Best Known Method or procedures to preserve those capability but it is not a replacement on warm body with brain. I work in MNC and have seen capabilities gone with the people as we shut down certain dept and need to spend a lot of effort to re-acquire those same capability many years later when we need it again due to biz direction change.

Also on AV8, are we sure we can build everything locally? The last I heard we still order all the chassis from Turkey. We ordered weapon system and electronics from South Africa, Europe etc. We don't manufacture them 100% by ourselves, even the raw material to make steel need to import.

If we just want it for training purpose, no point getting a brand new tank which were heavily upgraded at great cost. We could follow Singapore that bought secondhand submarine to learn tools of the trade. BTW, the same applied to our submarine as well. Maybe we spent so much for brand new and modernized tanks and submarines just to create our doctrine because we know we will not buy anymore for next few decades

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Leopard 2s armored thrust exercise?

This post has been edited by azriel: Sep 29 2014, 10:42 AM

Indonesia mungkin tidak ada kereta nasional sendiri. Tapi industri pertahanan mereka memang jauh ke depan lebih-lebih lagi bab pasang pesawat dan helikopter kerana mereka ada B.J Habibie, Presiden RI ke-3.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B._J._Habibie

This post has been edited by remyzero09: Sep 29 2014, 10:54 AM

Almost every country that operates the Leopard 2s bought the tanks second hand. Even Singapore bought their Leopard 2A4's second hand with half or more units upgraded to the Leopard 2SG.

Btw Indonesia didn't buy the Leo 2s from the Dutch but Ex.Swiss Pz87 from Rheinmetall. The Pz87 could be easily identify from the "Snow Grouser" located on the front & side of the turret.

This post has been edited by azriel: Sep 29 2014, 11:04 AM

tank is outdated

time to introduce this





This post has been edited by AxeFire: Sep 29 2014, 11:06 AM

Prefer 1st pic design

2nd one feel like rpg free practice target

Actually Indonesia produces a lot of cars each year....



Not just assembly operation. There are also facilities to build chassis and engines domestically. It's Toyota engines with 80 percent local content. What Indonesia lacks is a national brand.

http://www.republika.co.id/berita/ekonomi/...ng-di-indonesia

armored thrust usually happen only after breakthrough of enemy line

before that,
usually still need combination of infantry, mechanized, close air support etc2

when there gap, tank will rushed into it and wreck havoc in the rear

they could have done a better job designing it in the first time.. bottom no rail too?

i see...

watch too much sci fi / cartoon?

got national brand but kaput already... they cant design and high tech parts are mostly imported

they could have done a better job designing it in the first time.. bottom no rail too?

i see...

watch too much sci fi / cartoon?

got national brand but kaput already... they cant design and high tech parts are mostly imported

they could have done a better job designing it in the first time.. bottom no rail too?

i see...

watch too much sci fi / cartoon?

got national brand but kaput already... they cant design and high tech parts are mostly imported

actually u must see they detail of competition, alot is pro-russia, china Type 96, not louse totally, only loose mainly on low engine output about 7xx hp. that already know before. anyway type 96 networked fire control system show there advantage againt other t72 during fire test. anyway type 96 is not advance tank in china. Type 10 and K2 with problematic also no point, not our army tank group/drive is all engineer level. any problem can't self basic checking and repair at field。

Nice idea for photoshoot, terrible idea on real situation

A column of tanks barreling down a scenic plain? Christmas present for atgm teams lol

At least have ifv to guard the rear, or combat heli doing cas

Royal Thai Army's T-84 Oplot-M - Quick Walk Around.





















source

It has been a busy week for the Indonesian Military with the arrivals of new armaments, launching & commissioning of new ships.

Indonesian Air Force:
- Arrivals of 2nd batch of 4 units Super Tucano.
- Arrivals of 2nd batch of 2 units F-16 C.

Indonesian Navy:
- Arrivals of 2 unit ex-Nakhoda Ragam KRI John Lie & KRI Usman Harun.
- Launching of 4 units KCR-40 & 1 unit Patrol Craft.
- Commissioning of LST KRI Teluk Bintuni.
- Commissioning of Oiler & Replenishment Ship KRI Tarakan.

Indonesian Army:
- Arrivals of 1st batch of 4 units Caesar 155mm SPH.

This post has been edited by azriel: Sep 29 2014, 07:37 PM

Bizarre....Why is Chiangbai Shan LPD having ship-washing contest with TNI-AL corvette KRI Frans Kaisepo?

firefighting exercise......but useful for spraying fishing boats too

Pic showing the cavernous interior of a Yuzhao-class LPD. The armored vehicles are ZBD-2000 Amphibious IFVs and an LCAC hovercraft is at the rear



Screen grab showing large Hangar area, the helicopters are Z-18F ASW helicopters

This post has been edited by MilitaryMadness: Sep 30 2014, 07:50 AM