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post Oct 8 2014, 07:52 PM

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QUOTE(junchuan @ Oct 8 2014, 07:27 PM)
Lucky cannot reach malaysia, imagine 350 marines coming in at 100km/h
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Canot fit into type 52 ldp... have to transport by transporter
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post Oct 8 2014, 09:05 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Oct 8 2014, 07:52 PM)
Canot fit into type 52 ldp... have to transport by transporter
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The Zubr was never designed for long-range operations in the first place. The Soviets designed the Zubr for operations in the small Baltic sea. They were designed so if hostilities with NATO commenced, they were supposed to be used to land Marine forces on key coastal positions in countries like Sweden, Northern Germany and Denmark.

In the context of the PLA Navy, the Zubr would be perfect for lightning operations to capture outposts in the Spratlys and Paracels islands that not suitable to large ships due to the shallow seas near the archipelago. Also could be used to carry the most urgent cargo or supplies that just can't wait for slow ship journeys and to deliver them directly to the landing beach for the amphibious force. These are sea-going hovercrafts, so crossing the South china Sea from Hainan or Southern China should be no problem.
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post Oct 8 2014, 09:23 PM

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Close view of PLA Navy's Zubr Heavy Hovercraft
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post Oct 8 2014, 09:53 PM

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PLA Navy to buy Zubr Heavy Hovercrafts from Greek Navy

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The Greek Zubr hovercraft L-183 Zakynthos

Greek Navy spokesman has confirmed the question that China is set to buy Greek Navy Zubr Hovercrafts. Greece, struggling with economic slowdown is forced to sell many military assets to foreign forces. Although Greece is a NATO member state, the sale will not violate the existing arms embargo against China, due to the hovercraft was made in Russia and Ukraine, not Greece and will thereby not subject to the terms of the arms embargo.

The Greek Navy operate four Zubr hovercrafts, bought in 2001. The first Zubr hovercraft (number L183, the Zakynthos) is set to be transferred to China in late 2014.

News Link: China to get former Greek Zubr heavy hovercrafts
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post Oct 8 2014, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Oct 8 2014, 09:05 PM)
The Zubr was never designed for long-range operations in the first place. The Soviets designed the Zubr for operations in the small Baltic sea. They were designed so if hostilities with NATO commenced, they were supposed to be used to land Marine forces on key coastal positions in countries like Sweden, Northern Germany and Denmark.

In the context of the PLA Navy, the Zubr would be perfect for lightning operations to capture outposts in the Spratlys and Paracels islands that not suitable to large ships due to the shallow seas near the archipelago. Also could be used to carry the most urgent cargo or supplies that just can't wait for slow ship journeys and to deliver them directly to the landing beach for the amphibious force. These are sea-going hovercrafts, so crossing the South china Sea from Hainan or Southern China should be no problem.
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yup it was nvr designed for ldp because it was before the russian have the ldp for transportation laugh.gif

Unlike the US which designed the LCAC then get all existing ldp to fit it in

Zubr under PLA is preparation for taiwan and japan whistling.gif
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post Oct 8 2014, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Oct 8 2014, 10:00 PM)
yup it was nvr designed for ldp because it was before the russian have the ldp for transportation  laugh.gif

Unlike the US  which designed the LCAC then get all existing ldp to fit it in

Zubr under PLA is preparation for taiwan and japan  whistling.gif
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Not worry
chinese own type LCAC long time in service with Type 071 LPD.... at lease 3 year before get Zubr .......

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Oct 8 2014, 10:47 PM)
Not worry
chinese own type LCAC long time in service with Type 071 LPD.... at lease 3 year before get Zubr .......

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not surprising that it resembles the US lCAC whistling.gif
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Oct 8 2014, 02:40 PM)
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China constructing Zubr heavy hovercraft. The red banner hung on the stern says 'Reuniting the motherland'.

Whoa nelly shocking.gif
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Look at banner. Look at Taiwan... rolleyes.gif
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post Oct 8 2014, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Oct 8 2014, 10:53 PM)
not surprising that it resembles the US lCAC  whistling.gif
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more resembles to korea lcac than US one...
anyway if RMN buy Type 071, i think RMN will not include LCAC, actually LCAC price is expensive and cost operation a bit high too。

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post Oct 8 2014, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Oct 8 2014, 11:09 PM)
more resembles to korea lcac than US one...
anyway if RMN buy Type 071, i think RMN will not include LCAC, actually LCAC price is expensive and cost operation a bit high too。
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korean are based on US

depends on which country malaysia would like. US normally includes LCAC in the deal, korean also include most likely

china not sure, very little on china foreign sales information
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post Oct 8 2014, 11:52 PM

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QUOTE(junchuan @ Oct 8 2014, 11:33 PM)
Anywayss almost impossible for us to buy china stuffs, who the hell buys equipment from a country youre having a dispute with, even if youre not to jeopardise relations
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of all the country in asean, we have the best relationship with them

so it not surprising we might get a type 71

that is why malaysia and china have not publicly criticized each other on repetitive claim even though both sides are quietly arming out their teeth rolleyes.gif
just in case, just in case

if china were seriously put threat to the claim, the country that have the most benefit would like be malaysia. Anyway, we are also energy supplier to china, so it does not really matter since the resources is coming into china hand as well whistling.gif
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post Oct 9 2014, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(junchuan @ Oct 8 2014, 11:33 PM)
Anywayss almost impossible for us to buy china stuffs, who the hell buys equipment from a country youre having a dispute with, even if youre not to jeopardise relations
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that is old mind set ....
new trend is you sell weapon to country having dispute, than u know there ability and weapon, so for you easy take it down, went your dispute country use other country weapon, you not sure how good there weapon (maybe just know spec only) .....

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QUOTE(junchuan @ Oct 8 2014, 07:58 PM)
Anybody here watch soar into the sun alr?? Wowz damn exciting the movie
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the movie so-so la..CGI pretty impressive considering it's not Hollywood movie
have u watched Taegukgi: Brotherhood and My Way? smile.gif

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post Oct 9 2014, 12:41 AM

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How come China can copy other people's military tech in such a short period, can Malaysia also do the same? Will it be more cost-effective. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Oct 9 2014, 12:41 AM)
How come China can copy other people's military tech in such a short period, can Malaysia also do the same? Will it be more cost-effective. hmm.gif
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Their hackers have been busy. rolleyes.gif
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post Oct 9 2014, 12:52 AM

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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Oct 9 2014, 12:41 AM)
How come China can copy other people's military tech in such a short period, can Malaysia also do the same? Will it be more cost-effective. hmm.gif
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they have vast resources, infrastructures, proper machinery and manpower
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QUOTE(red streak @ Oct 9 2014, 12:45 AM)
Their hackers have been busy.  rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Oct 9 2014, 12:52 AM)
they have vast resources, infrastructures, proper machinery  and manpower
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erm..ok. Then do you think it is viable for Malaysia to build own military things like Indonesia? hmm.gif

Well, hopefully in future, China will sell their weapons and so on cheap cheap to us.
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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Oct 9 2014, 01:00 AM)
erm..ok. Then do you think it is viable for Malaysia to build own military things like Indonesia?  hmm.gif 

Well, hopefully in future, China will sell their weapons and so on cheap cheap to us.
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as u can observe, we have our own local defense industry..but very2 few..
we have build AV-8, Taming Sari guided-munition, VB Berapi, Handalan trucks, and few mores..
so yes, we can build our own things as we have sufficient resource and tech to do like what Indo does (small boats, armored vehicles, rifles, etc)
but we're still far away from building our own tanks, jets, submarines, radars, avionics and other high-tech/sophisticated military hardware tho..
..Indo have gone so far to joint-develop KIFX stealth jet sweat.gif


China has offered us some deals in previous years (i read in some Perajurit and Tempur Magazines) which i say were pretty cool deal for the price and tech
maybe Mindef still didn't trust the capabilities of PRC's hardwares
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Oct 9 2014, 01:16 AM)
as u can observe, we have our own local defense industry..but very2 few..
we have build AV-8, Taming Sari guided-munition, VB Berapi, Handalan trucks, and few mores..
so yes, we can build our own things as we have sufficient resource and tech to do like what Indo does (small boats, armored vehicles, rifles, etc)
but we're still far away from building our own tanks, jets, submarines, radars, avionics and other high-tech/sophisticated military hardware tho..
..Indo have gone so far to joint-develop KIFX stealth jet  sweat.gif 
China has offered us some deals in previous years (i read in some Perajurit and Tempur Magazines) which i say were pretty cool deal for the price and tech
maybe Mindef still didn't trust the capabilities of PRC's hardwares
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I see. Yeah I realizes we lack quite behind from the Indonesia. So in the meantime, there are no plan to Improve our military industry?

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