some benefits of CVT, very smooth driving. You cannot get this with MT or old AT boxes, totally no jerking at all. Very nice to ferry loved ones. Another benefit of CVT is, can easily overtake cars on the highway at highspeeds, really effortless as the torque is accesible so easily.

Actually, i never know what's the correct thing to do....glad my habits is the right one...LOL.

Dug some info with good explanation to share:

http://www.topgear.com.ph/features/columns...tuck-in-traffic

Yep, for passenger comfort and normal driving, CVT is really gooding...no shift-shock nonsense....

This post has been edited by Matrix: Aug 13 2014, 11:46 AM

Here is my review for cvt transmission, i have been using it for 2.5 years. Car model saga flx 1.3.

- smoot ride, reads no 'push back' feeling when accelerate. When trying to overtake, you press down the gas pedal, rpm shoot up, maintain at 4k rpm but car speed climb too slowly. Power delivery was delayed for at least 2-3 seconds. Solution , switch to sat mode when driving in highway. Town drving in d mode.

- good for hill climb. Can maintain speed when climbing up hill but engine sound will be rough and harsh due to high rpm while climbing hill. Solution. Insullate the car with sound deadening material , but it is a saga so meh....

- jerky in the morning, traffic jam. Solution , let go brake, let the gearbox do the work, once u feel the car is rolling only you can start giving some gas. Or else it will jerk. Rubber band effect is strong there.

- fuel saving ? Not really. 11-12l per km for a small car.
You can argue that is driver issue or traffic condition but for me this fuel consumption figure is alright but can be better.

I test drove the old sylphy n inspira. The rubber band effect is there. Maybe cvt is not for me but i just going to make use of what i have for now. I have yet to test drive the new city.

Yes, most younger people do not appreciate this factor. For those who ferry parents, grandparents, or babies, will really love this smoothness. They will praise your driving very good because no jerking. actually just thanks to CVT haha! babies drink milk also wont spill.

THIS. Guys, if want to impress your future mother-in-law with "driving skill", buy a CVT.

I guess family man like us will appreciate CVT a lot more than vroom-vroom kaki.

This post has been edited by Matrix: Aug 13 2014, 12:23 PM

1) I don't think power delivery is that slow...it's just perception, more likely like 0.5 to 1 second. For my Inspira...going from 120km - 160km/h is really fast...My City also accelerate pretty fast. No complains at all...its more engine issue than CVT characteristic.

2) Engine rough sound - Again Engine issue....not CVT.

3) Jerkiness - This might be Punch CVT issue or need tuning....doesn't experience any jerkiness with Inspira or City.

4) FC - The gearbox can only do so much, if stuck in jam, any car also die....but Campro engine is known fuel sucker. However, if you put CVT in the similar cars, you can get better FC...ex: City vs VIOS vs Almera....City winrar in FC, as proven in PaulTan's test. All 1.5L engine, not the latest engines...VIOS especially ancient...LOL.


I think most of the things you highlight is an Engine issue rather than typical CVT characteristic for fair comparison.

This post has been edited by Matrix: Aug 13 2014, 12:38 PM

I think this should mostly attribute to the campro engine rather than cvt?

those who says/complain
CVT lacks torque, cannot climb hill,
jerky, rubber band, overheat etc etc etc
usually drives a proton.

comparing proton CVT to other CVT
sounds not right.

CVT's main advantage is fuel saving
coupling it with a primitive fuel guzzling engine
just doesn't make sense.

modern CVTs comes equipped
with torque converters which minimises
the rubber-band effect.

now,
whose and which CVT are we discussing about here?

Not only that,

for torque converters, which is basically just a fluid coupling. When D selected but on brakes - basically you just tell the TCU to "please decouple so my engine won't stall" - and the one of the thing it can do this is from torque converter (since everything is connected from engine to tires, and D selected), 'decoupling' via the fluid - simply converting them to heat.

for clutch coupling, if you are unlucky with a dumb TCU (most likely will be), will just confused whether you want to move, or creeping, or stop. In the end, the clutch is semi-engaged, or intermittently on/off engaged - just like the dumb ass manual driver that float his car on a slope with clutch play in the entire duration of the red light.

TS started with his saga's cvt

and now it turned into a general CVT discussion

Mirage CVT lah...

Mitsu CVTF- Dia Queen J4. 5l cost around Rm300

why so ekspensip?

i use petronas lubricants or whaterver they pump in that comes free with my car servicing

so cost is zero.

I change the oil in SC.
CVTF price RM232+ labour RM65

it's normal price. nothing to be alarmed

just that labor is expensive. i know it's rm 60/hour. but they need to take 1 hr to do the job?

or the rm65 is inclusive of labor for other oil change also?


if u think ur CVT is jerking, just ask the SC to reset the TCU for you

INVECS III has an adaptive TCU - it adjusts setting according to your driving style - i.e. it "learns" your driving style




http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/en/corpor.../detail833.html

You got free service, apa lu mau compare wei...wait until free service over lar...then you will kecoh...btw...you sure they pump in correct CVT oil? Mitsu must use DIAQUEEN III, even Inspira also use DIAQUEEN III until they change it to Proton OEM brand, but clearly stated for Mitsubishi...(maybe they get better price, buy in bulk and then repackage). Petronas CVT oil? Dunno wor....pray later your CVT no koyak after warranty over....

Same here for Inspira RM 2xx for CVT oil. Honda City is cheaper though, RM1xx only according to the maintenance schedule.

This post has been edited by Matrix: Aug 13 2014, 02:37 PM

nah. my triton ATF change is more or less the same price. not surprised at all

what i am surprised is the labor charge - it is just a matter of opening the drain plug and filling in the correct amount of oil, and a new washer for the drain plug. they charge by the hour and usually an ATF change is a 30 min job (hence RM30)

maybe they use diaqueen. maybe they don't. never notice also. cvt koyak, then go buy new car. no car is meant to last forever.

Maybe his RM65 labor include changing engine oil and other stuff?? Proton charge me RM90 labor minimum everytime...change oil and CVT oil also included i think. But if no change CVT oil also RM90....you do at Mitsu or outside Workshop?

And yeah, not last forever, but i prefer my car not to die a premature death yah....

mitsu sc.

*touch wood*


even honda SC cocked up with their city's cvt last time.

Mitsubishi sc recommended to flushing your cvt everytime it replace cvt oil
Mit ASX CVT oil 6 lit and another 6 lit for flushing the cost almost rm 600
How about proton inspira .. Proton sc recommended to do flushing or replace oil only