Very common. Saw it everytime with the brake light so bright on my face. That's why we have so many gearbox failure eg, DSG, CVT, AT, MT (not gearbox but clutch wear fast), yes even MT some pple just engaged in 1 and on the pressed on the clutch that long.

The CVT for Prius is using timing chain so no replacement nor rubber effect will be detected; transmission fluid is WS grade so no need to change within the lifespan of the car, but if you want to get it replace every 100k km, be my guess...

To be honest bro, i think it is really the saga's cvt only, not all the cvt are behaving like that. So far, i have driven only 2 types of cvt before, the Prius E-CVT and Altis's 7 speed CVT, so i can only tell the characteristics of these 2 cvts. For Prius's CVT, you can't feel the gear switching and changing like you normally will feel from normal AT or DCT/DSG. This, you got no feeling at all. At first, i though it was slow but when i tested it with OBD and apps, it shows from 0-100km/h, within 10 second. Well, it is not sports car fast but i can say it is relatively fast, with 1425kg in weight. If you floor the accelerator pedal, no tyre spinning will happen caz of traction control and VSC, you don't get to spin the tyre. Then if you look at dashboard, the speed shown will jump quite fast and suddenly, you reached 150km/h. The CVT for Prius is using timing chain so no replacement nor rubber effect will be detected; transmission fluid is WS grade so no need to change within the lifespan of the car, but if you want to get it replace every 100k km, be my guess. It is exceptionally quiet, smooth, powerful and not so fun to drive like manual or DSG/DCT but if you opt for something comfortable for you and ur passenger, or piece of mind during busy traffic period, CVT is a very good choice.
Altis's CVT is 7 speed but Toyota has made a kinda funny "features" and for some reasonss, UMW added a simulated gear changing sound whenever you press the gas pedal to imitate the gear changing incident like normal AT has, but you dun get the feel of gear changing but only the gear changing sound. For CVT, gear ration basically is quite wide, though Altis's cvt is 7 speed but still, because of the unique characteristics of cvt, gear changing can't really be felt. This 7 speed cvt is relatively smooth, no jerky nor lag in power, easy control and transmission of power is almost instant, whenever you press the gas pedal, the engine and transmission will feed the car up to the speed that you want, say overtaking other vehicle is easy, no delay and fast.
Between car with AT, DSG/DCT and cvt, i will go for cvt over the other 2 options. Only if the reliability and durability of DSG/DCT has significant improved, no way i will go for it though they are the most fun to drive. No offense to P1, but my dad's saga also have the same behavior like you have described. Once compare with the CVT in Prius and Altis, i am curious as well why so much different between Toyota and P1.

1) I don't think power delivery is that slow...it's just perception, more likely like 0.5 to 1 second. For my Inspira...going from 120km - 160km/h is really fast...My City also accelerate pretty fast. No complains at all...its more engine issue than CVT characteristic.

2) Engine rough sound - Again Engine issue....not CVT.

3) Jerkiness - This might be Punch CVT issue or need tuning....doesn't experience any jerkiness with Inspira or City.

4) FC - The gearbox can only do so much, if stuck in jam, any car also die....but Campro engine is known fuel sucker. However, if you put CVT in the similar cars, you can get better FC...ex: City vs VIOS vs Almera....City winrar in FC, as proven in PaulTan's test. All 1.5L engine, not the latest engines...VIOS especially ancient...LOL.
I think most of the things you highlight is an Engine issue rather than typical CVT characteristic for fair comparison.

I think this should mostly attribute to the campro engine rather than cvt?

bro, thanks for the reply.

from the way i see it, inspira use engine and gearbox that was tune from mitsu. and the mitsu engineers get it right.

fuel consumption of my 1.3 campro really can fight with a 2.0 hahaha....thinking of it right now, make me think why i didn;t get the myvi or any older 1.8 or 2.0 used before i buy the saga. *regret*

Inspira sucks fuel in city also...normal about 7km/l for me coz I drive short distance and heavy jam at Bandar Utama/Ldp/Kota Damansara .Can go even lower when in stand still traffic....but since its 2.0l, ok lah.

Surely your saga is better?

The CVT for Prius is using timing chain so no replacement nor rubber effect will be detected;

Altis's CVT is 7 speed but Toyota has made a kinda funny "features" and for some reasonss, UMW added a simulated gear changing sound whenever you press the gas pedal to imitate the gear changing incident like normal AT has, but you dun get the feel of gear changing but only the gear changing sound. For CVT, gear ration basically is quite wide, though Altis's cvt is 7 speed but still, because of the unique characteristics of cvt, gear changing can't really be felt. This 7 speed cvt is relatively smooth, no jerky nor lag in power, easy control and transmission of power is almost instant, whenever you press the gas pedal, the engine and transmission will feed the car up to the speed that you want, say overtaking other vehicle is easy, no delay and fast.

CVT don't have '7-speed', '8-speed' per se.  CVT has almost infinite number's of gear ratio.  the 7-speed here on altis is actually just 7 virtual gear ratio that makes the cvt behaves like a 7-speed auto when you choose to, because it feels more sporty.  under normal operation, CVT is smooth and there's no '7-speed' thing.

and for the simulated gear changing sound... Altis got this??? i'm not sure, never sit in the a 2014 Altis before.  for me it sounds... very unlikely.  hopefully other ppl can clarify.

Not even a chain. It is more similar to an auto than CVT.

And that WS no need to change bullshit from UMW...    Reached 80k km and that WS bright pink becomes a pure black (and stinky smells)... more couldy than engine oil from LM MoS2.

This is what i don't really understand why Toyota put the simulated gear changing sound, perhaps to ease the perception/curiosity/neverouness of driver in general regarding though AT, it will give you the sound (not the feel) of gear changing in AT but not CVT.
As for the CVT transmission, it does have certain sets of gear ratio (could be from 1.12 to 2.113 as for example for first gear/first set). It is wider and the ECU will have it selected as according to the input from driver (depends on the speed), which is different the AT with fixed gear ration. 7-speed CVT means it has a upper and lower gear ration to be selected as according to the input from driver, not really the definition of infinite as in math.
I am not sure about other variant of Altis caz here in MY we have 3 models, 1.8E, 2.0G & 2.0V, and i only find the simulated sound in 2.0V. To be honest, i find it really funny and something like "extra piece of fish" (in cantonese).....

yes, CVT does has an upper end ratio and a lower end ratio.  but in between, it is supposed to be almost infinite (limited by TCU i suppose), not just 7 speed.  the 7-speed is only when you switch to "sport mode", instead of almost infinite gear ratio, the TCU set it to a pre-defined set of 7 ratio.  If you but it in D, then its the almost infinite gear ratio mode.  if you fully accelerate in normal CVT mode, you won't see the engine RPM goes up and down in between gear change, because there's no gear to change. instead, RPM just roar to 5k maybe 6k RPM, and hold there, while the speed keep going faster and faster.

and when you say "... for example for first gear/first set...", it means that your understanding on CVT is wrong already.  CVT don't have first gear/first set, because, it only got ONE set.  this ONE set can keep changing in diameter and thus the ratio.


this is my understanding on CVT gear.  driven on old gen City's CVT and also CKD Jazz Hybrid's CVT.

Proton's Punch CVT ie the ones in Saga/Preve uses a wet clutch, whereas those in Sylphy/Altis uses torque converter. So it stands to reason that a clutch-based transmission will definitely be less smooth and jerks more than that of a torque converter, especially during low speed. It has less to do with Campro being refined or not.

The reasoning behind using a wet clutch is for efficiency, as for how efficient it is....well it seems different people has different results.

I have heard so many complaining CVT (any CVT, not just Proton/Mitsu/Honda etc. etc.) is inefficient la, pickup slow la, sucks power la, sucks fuel la. It is really starting to get tiring. You cannot drive a CVT like a normal AT car and expect the same characteristics.

If you want to buy a CVT car, invest some time in learning how to drive one for the best results, instead of stomping on the gas pedal and shouting "WHY WON'T YOU GO??!!!"

One thing is true though, CVT is more fragile than regular slushboxes and overheats relatively easily. If you intend to buy a car to touge every weekend, look somewhere else.