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joshuaa85
post Dec 15 2014, 08:19 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Dec 1 2014, 11:18 PM)
basically additives lo (as per my sharing on previous pages/pinned on page 1)

no, you're not understanding correctly.
it just means that it's too much effort for car manufacturers to deal with additives.
and not all additives are worth it, and worse some could potentially harm your engine. (especially in the long run)

mos2 = Molybdenum disulfide
ceratec = ceramic nano particles
WS2 = Tungsten Disulfide

then there's the ever popular PTFE teflon (Polytetrafluoroethylene)
tufoil god damnit link previews on pdf
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http://www.tufoil.com/tufoilms.pdf


and look, the true gods of lubricant:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbth...t&Number=478700
what, year 2006 thread? lol

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not all EO contains MoS2 or Moly based additives. though it was friction modifier to reduce friction for greater FC.
it's only subject to low viscosity oil suxh as 0W20 or lower to enchance the engine protection due to low viscosity.

and don't try PTFE based engine oil treatement. although it was great. it could damage your engine in long run..
just personal opinion as PTFE will damage the engine still disputed.
joshuaa85
post Dec 15 2014, 08:20 PM

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QUOTE(taiping boy @ Nov 30 2014, 01:33 PM)
User manual recommended 0w30..but they pour 0w20 now. Brand is nissan!  But i found out its oem is elf/total.. Quite powerful d oil.. On my last oci,  my almera can go up 190km/hr during 9k++ prior to oci.. Ok la..
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i own a almera, i also using 0W20... maker was Idemitsu ?
u got steel ball 190km/h... rclxms.gif
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post Dec 15 2014, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(joshuaa85 @ Dec 15 2014, 08:20 PM)
i own a almera, i also using 0W20... maker was Idemitsu ?
u got steel ball  190km/h... rclxms.gif
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Did you noticed Tan Chong Motor uses only 3 bottles of 1 litre 0W20 of engine oil and later they add in those crap engine additives to supplement the other 500ml of engine oil?
TSQuazacolt
post Dec 15 2014, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(joshuaa85 @ Dec 15 2014, 08:12 PM)
let me explain, those listed in API depends on individual countries to apply API to suit local regulations.
for MY, there's no API certified. however, it was API SN. just not apply to API only.

do you know that if oils apply to API to get donut, royalties will applied.
and FYI, even API certified EO, not necessary is a good oil.. API certifed just for consumer confidence like you rclxms.gif
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no, not really.
API is an international institute, or heck you can even argue it's american since A is American afterall.
Certainly is not dependent on individual countries regulations. If that were the case, there's:
JASO Japan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Auto...ds_Organization

ACEA Europe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Auto...ers_Association

or in Malaysia, that should be either PUSPAKOM or JPJ (still local standards/regulations)

nothing to do with API.
If you would like to find out more info, may read up the first page.

http://www.api.org/~/media/files/certifica...eestructure.pdf
Additionally, the "royalty" to pay to API is 3k usd, to be honest if you're dealing with lubricants and the potential profit of it, 3k isn't a huge sum to pay.
IN FACT we have local companies being certified as well Petronas excluded, example:
https://engineoil.api.org/Directory/EolcsRe...ndName%3Dshenzo

The only excuse to not get certified is products not able to meet API's standards/requirement, which are fairly strict:
http://www.api.org/certification-programs/...ditionfinal.pdf

Sure, it may not be good oil, in fact almost all racing oils aren't certified due to additional additives being used.
However it certainly gives the mass consumers a peace of mind instead of "oh my butt feels this oil smooth" random claims of good and whether really good or not no one will know unless someone presents a UOA (used oil analysis) test that can provide rock solid proof.

QUOTE(joshuaa85 @ Dec 15 2014, 08:19 PM)
not all EO contains MoS2 or Moly based additives. though it was friction modifier to reduce friction for greater FC.
it's only subject to low viscosity oil suxh as 0W20 or lower to enchance the engine protection due to low viscosity.

and don't try PTFE based engine oil treatement. although it was great. it could damage your engine in long run..
just personal opinion as PTFE will damage the engine still disputed.
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no, liqui moly MOS2 does not even have 0w20:
http://www.liqui-moly.de/liquimoly/produkt...ocument&land=DE
lowest is xw30 which surprisingly is gone from their website.

personally i wouldn't go with PTFE based additives as well considering some people did in fact reported damage or have very poor UOA results smile.gif
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post Dec 15 2014, 10:13 PM

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post Dec 16 2014, 06:03 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Dec 15 2014, 10:11 PM)
no, not really.
API is an international institute, or heck you can even argue it's american since A is American afterall.
Certainly is not dependent on individual countries regulations. If that were the case, there's:
JASO Japan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Auto...ds_Organization

ACEA Europe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Auto...ers_Association

or in Malaysia, that should be either PUSPAKOM or JPJ (still local standards/regulations)

nothing to do with API.
If you would like to find out more info, may read up the first page.

http://www.api.org/~/media/files/certifica...eestructure.pdf
Additionally, the "royalty" to pay to API is 3k usd, to be honest if you're dealing with lubricants and the potential profit of it, 3k isn't a huge sum to pay.
IN FACT we have local companies being certified as well Petronas excluded, example:
https://engineoil.api.org/Directory/EolcsRe...ndName%3Dshenzo

The only excuse to not get certified is products not able to meet API's standards/requirement, which are fairly strict:
http://www.api.org/certification-programs/...ditionfinal.pdf

Sure, it may not  be good oil, in fact almost all racing oils aren't certified due to additional additives being used.
However it certainly gives the mass consumers a peace of mind instead of "oh my butt feels this oil smooth" random claims of good and whether really good or not no one will know unless someone presents a UOA (used oil analysis) test that can provide rock solid proof.
no, liqui moly MOS2 does not even have 0w20:
http://www.liqui-moly.de/liquimoly/produkt...ocument&land=DE
lowest is xw30 which surprisingly is gone from their website.

personally i wouldn't go with PTFE based additives as well considering some people did in fact reported damage or have very poor UOA results smile.gif
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LiquiMoly Mos2 don't have Moly additives ?
why does it called MoS2 ?
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post Dec 16 2014, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(Thrust @ Dec 15 2014, 10:05 PM)
Did you noticed Tan Chong Motor uses only 3 bottles of 1 litre 0W20 of engine oil and later they add in those crap engine additives to supplement the other 500ml of engine oil?
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Ya..i don't know why only consume 3L engine oil only on 1.5 L 4 cylinder engine ?
i always reject the aftermarket engine oil treatment unless it's genuine brand.
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post Dec 16 2014, 06:09 PM

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QUOTE(joshuaa85 @ Dec 16 2014, 06:03 PM)
LiquiMoly Mos2 don't have Moly additives ?
why does it called MoS2 ?
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yes they do.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/moly-basics/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molybdenum_disulfide

i was referring to your post:
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it's only subject to low viscosity oil suxh as 0W20 or lower to enchance the engine protection due to low viscosity.


in which no, even high viscosity oil have moly/mos2 in them.
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post Dec 16 2014, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Dec 16 2014, 06:09 PM)
yes they do.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/moly-basics/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molybdenum_disulfide

i was referring to your post:
in which no, even high viscosity oil have moly/mos2 in them.
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what i mean is usually for low viscosity oil like 0W20 does have Moly..
of course 5W30 or higher can be contains Moly as well..
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post Dec 16 2014, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(joshuaa85 @ Dec 16 2014, 06:18 PM)
what i mean is usually for low viscosity oil like 0W20 does have Moly..
of course 5W30 or higher can be contains Moly as well..
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not 0w20 (got 1 Mobil Super 5000 5W-20), but here api sn mobil 5000
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbth...opics/2278298/1

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbth...&Number=2547400

http://www.pqiamerica.com/ExxonMobilSuper5000.htm

point is, viscosity is NOT a determining factor whether an engine oil has moly or not.
it is an additive that EO manufacturers choose to include or exclude.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Dec 16 2014, 06:36 PM
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post Dec 16 2014, 08:22 PM

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Lols you guys are totally not talking on the same channel, hahahah
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post Dec 16 2014, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Dec 16 2014, 06:32 PM)
not 0w20 (got 1 Mobil Super 5000 5W-20), but here api sn mobil 5000
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbth...opics/2278298/1

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbth...&Number=2547400

http://www.pqiamerica.com/ExxonMobilSuper5000.htm

point is, viscosity is NOT a determining factor whether an engine oil has moly or not.
it is an additive that EO manufacturers choose to include or exclude.
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i would say.. for SAE 0W20... usually contains Moly..
i understood that Moly just the additives for EO, but sometimes it is necessary additives for lowviscosity EO.

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post Dec 16 2014, 09:23 PM

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QUOTE(efaceninja @ Dec 16 2014, 08:22 PM)
Lols you guys are totally not talking on the same channel, hahahah
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Ikr? Lol
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post Dec 16 2014, 09:25 PM

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QUOTE(joshuaa85 @ Dec 16 2014, 08:42 PM)
i would say.. for SAE 0W20... usually contains Moly..
i understood that Moly just the additives for EO, but sometimes it is necessary additives for lowviscosity EO.
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No, just no.
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post Dec 17 2014, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Dec 17 2014, 11:19 AM)
i linked already loh (scroll up)

=edit=
oh wait just this page, not previous page lol

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Dec 17 2014, 12:02 PM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Dec 17 2014, 12:01 PM)
i linked already loh (scroll up)

=edit=
oh wait just this page, not previous page lol
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Those 'floating sneak preview' is abit annoying and hard to see lol. tongue.gif



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post Dec 17 2014, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Dec 17 2014, 02:32 PM)
Those 'floating sneak preview' is abit annoying and hard to see lol. tongue.gif
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you tell me, i have those pdf links (neh API punya costing/methods etc, VERY detailed stuff hehe )which cannot be previewed or link clicked upon... need to reply/quote and see the link unless i go edit and put on code tags to prevent the preview thing taking over doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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post Dec 17 2014, 10:01 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Dec 16 2014, 09:25 PM)
No, just no.
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any citation ? in my experience of 0W20 EO, all of them contains Moly.
maybe we're in different channel hmm.gif
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QUOTE(joshuaa85 @ Dec 17 2014, 10:01 PM)
any citation ? in my experience of 0W20 EO, all of them contains Moly.
maybe we're in different channel hmm.gif
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I just linked?
Click them maybe?

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