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Advice Wanted [WTA] Proposal Ring & Wedding Bands, Please advice me!! Need Help!!

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kambingkoh
post May 2 2017, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(dragon528 @ May 2 2017, 10:48 AM)
Additional RM600+ is like   sweat.gif  Still it considerable also.

So if the CBI available, which mean it a very good deal right?  confused.gif  Maybe I should drop them a PM see if it available or not  tongue.gif
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Diamond 1 - CBI E VS2 - 0.42ct, 4.84 - 4.86 X 2.97 mm - $1423
Diamond 2 - Black by BGD E VS1 - 0.414ct, 4.81 x 4.83 x 2.96mm - $1430
Diamond 3 - Black by BGD F VS2 - 0.41ct, 4.78 x 4.8 x 2.96mm - $1292

Diamond 1 wins in terms of size compare to Diamond 2, while Diamond 2 wins in terms of clarity.

My preference will be below:
Diamond 2
Diamond 1
Diamond 3

The reason I prefer Black by BGD is because I have confidence with Brian Gavin because of the legacy he left with WhiteFlash ACA. And since this is the pinnacle of his work, I am sold. However, this is because I have experience with WhiteFlash before and read about them. However, do note that BGD does not provide free shipping worldwide. I am not sure how much to be exact, but I am guessing around USD 55. Feel free to check with their helpful online support.

However, for first-timer, I would most likely go with CBI, this is because the images they provide is really excellent, despite the lower quality photos due to their more "old-school" technology compare to BGD's state-of-the-art machine. Other than that, they do provide free worldwide shipping via Fedex and this make it more value for money. Besides, I just noticed their Free Gem Kit with Diamond Purchase contains the following:

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We want you to enjoy the perfection of your High Performance Diamond and demonstrate it to others, so we provide a free Gem Kit. You will have a 10X jeweler’s loupe, hand-held Ideal-Scope®, Hearts & Arrows viewer and temporary diamond holder which resembles a ring in white or yellow metal.


Temporary diamond holder which resembles a ring means you can use that temporary holder to propose! After that, you and your love one can go and look for the perfect ring design for your loose diamond. thumbup.gif

If you buying from Brian Gavin, would appreciate if you can add my blog as your referral. If you are buying from High Performance Diamond, I am not affiliate to them, but I know someone who does, if you need help, then I can refer you to him because he knows the owner of HPD personally. wink.gif

Anyway, you can't go wrong with either of these diamonds. Good luck and all the best! thumbsup.gif

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post May 3 2017, 09:02 AM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Apr 30 2017, 05:28 PM)
Hello, this diamond has an HCA score of 1.3 and its Enchanted Cut Score is 97.2. Overall, the cut of this diamond is acceptable. It should return relatively more fire because of its 35.5 degrees, but at the expense of some brilliance. Although I prefer a more balanced diamond, but I guess more fire is an acceptable trade-off. 62.3% depth is actually slightly deep, and I guess that's where this diamond loses score on Enchanted Cut Score, but then this is probably due to the medium - slightly thick girdle, and not due to steep crown or steep pavilion, so I would say it is fine. You will be getting a 18k white gold ring, I presume? And Halo Setting will come with side diamonds/melee diamonds, so for the ring setting, it is relatively more expensive than a normal simple 4-prongs/6-prongs solitaire.

Now, for RM 8k, I would say the price is fair, if based on proportions alone. I would not prefer SI1, unless you can see that it is eye-clean.

Alright, time to do my affiliate work tongue.gif =>

If you don't mind dropping the colour to F, you can probably get this:
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/r...id=myengringexp (affiliate link). Even with halo setting customized elsewhere, it will still be cheaper than 8K. And this diamond has images to back it up (which is important). Besides, it is even larger at 0.427ct.

There are no D colour diamonds, but if you want to get an E VS1 Black by Brian Gavin, it will costs you a couple of hundred ringgit - thousand ringgit more. You sacrifice on one grade of colour but you gain on 2 grades of clarity. And Black by Brian Gavin's performance is really top of the line, it is said to be the pinnacle of Brian Gavin's work.

Here are some prices for your to refer. WhiteFlash offers free worldwide shipping, while Brian Gavin does not (so you need to pay for shipping).
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Remember to add 6% GST to the loose diamond price. There will be some misc. charges but I will exclude it because it is minimal (< RM 50).

Remember, this is just for reference, and you will need more patient and footwork to get things done in comparison to buying a complete diamond ring. There is also some risk, but relatively low because they use Fedex for shipping.

Alright! That's all for now, hope everything goes well for you! biggrin.gif
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Thank you for your detailed explanation notworthy.gif
I read your earlier posts and it did intrigued me, however I'm quite skeptical about buying it online. blush.gif Thanks though

Now I have another offer and would really like to ask for advices.
5182302471, RM4,700
2257071758, RM5,800
Halo with side band diamonds setting, RM3,200

Thank you very much

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post May 3 2017, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ May 2 2017, 03:23 PM)
Diamond 1 - CBI E VS2 - 0.42ct, 4.84 - 4.86 X 2.97 mm - $1423
Diamond 2 - Black by BGD E VS1 - 0.414ct, 4.81 x 4.83 x 2.96mm - $1430
Diamond 3 - Black by BGD F VS2 - 0.41ct, 4.78 x 4.8 x 2.96mm - $1292

Diamond 1 wins in terms of size compare to Diamond 2, while Diamond 2 wins in terms of clarity.

My preference will be below:
Diamond 2
Diamond 1
Diamond 3

The reason I prefer Black by BGD is because I have confidence with Brian Gavin because of the legacy he left with WhiteFlash ACA. And since this is the pinnacle of his work, I am sold. However, this is because I have experience with WhiteFlash before and read about them. However, do note that BGD does not provide free shipping worldwide. I am not sure how much to be exact, but I am guessing around USD 55. Feel free to check with their helpful online support.

However, for first-timer, I would most likely go with CBI, this is because the images they provide is really excellent, despite the lower quality photos due to their more "old-school" technology compare to BGD's state-of-the-art machine. Other than that, they do provide free worldwide shipping via Fedex and this make it more value for money. Besides, I just noticed their Free Gem Kit with Diamond Purchase contains the following:
Temporary diamond holder which resembles a ring means you can use that temporary holder to propose! After that, you and your love one can go and look for the perfect ring design for your loose diamond. thumbup.gif

If you buying from Brian Gavin, would appreciate if you can add my blog as your referral. If you are buying from High Performance Diamond, I am not affiliate to them, but I know someone who does, if you need help, then I can refer you to him because he knows the owner of HPD personally. wink.gif

Anyway, you can't go wrong with either of these diamonds. Good luck and all the best!  thumbsup.gif
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bangwall.gif so dilemma now haha. By the way, after I got the loose diamond, can I find a shop and have a temporary holder?
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post May 3 2017, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(dragon528 @ May 3 2017, 11:12 AM)
bangwall.gif  so dilemma now haha. By the way, after I got the loose diamond, can I find a shop and have a temporary holder?
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The only place I know that can get temporary holder is AliExpress.

The price is expensive, perhaps you can search the site abit. If you know chinese, probably you can visit Taobao as well.
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post May 3 2017, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(mist8 @ May 3 2017, 09:02 AM)
Thank you for your detailed explanation  notworthy.gif 
I read your earlier posts and it did intrigued me, however I'm quite skeptical about buying it online.  blush.gif  Thanks though

Now I have another offer and would really like to ask for advices.
5182302471, RM4,700
2257071758, RM5,800
Halo with side band diamonds setting, RM3,200

Thank you very much
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I prefer the proportions of 5182302471.

For 2257071758, the crown height is too high for a 35.5 degree crown angle diamond. This was taught to me by Todd Gray from NiceIce. He mentioned to me before that he will only accept 35.5 degree crown angle if the crown height is not deeper than 15.5%. The diamond you posted has a crown height of 16%. I won't so fast and say that it is not a good diamond, but if we are buying blind based on just a GIA certificate and nothing else, I will just have to stick with 5182302471.

The price of the 0.37ct E VS1 seems okay, given that the fact it is more or less the same of what I can get from WhiteFlash, closest similar diamond will be this: https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/r...id=myengringexp, which cost around RM 4650 to reach Malaysia (including GST and misc charges). Based on the price, it should be a relatively good diamond, but if possible, try to get some actual images, such as the diamond image and H&A image from your vendor.

As for halo with side-band diamonds, it is best to check the carat total weight (ctw) of the side diamonds, as well as the quality of the side diamonds, such as colour and clarity.

Good luck! thumbsup.gif

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post May 3 2017, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(mist8 @ May 3 2017, 09:02 AM)
Thank you for your detailed explanation  notworthy.gif 
I read your earlier posts and it did intrigued me, however I'm quite skeptical about buying it online.  blush.gif  Thanks though

Now I have another offer and would really like to ask for advices.
5182302471, RM4,700: 0.37 E VS1
2257071758, RM5,800: 0.40 E VS1

Halo with side band diamonds setting, RM3,200

Thank you very much
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Both also E colour and VS1 clarity, how come the price differ so much one?? That's more than RM1,000 for the 0.03 carat increment bro! I believe there must be something not right with 5182302471; either that, or you silap put the price tag.

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post May 4 2017, 02:39 AM

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QUOTE(bb100 @ May 3 2017, 05:39 PM)
Both also E colour and VS1 clarity, how come the price differ so much one?? That's more than RM1,000 for the 0.03 carat increment bro! I believe there must be something not right with 5182302471; either that, or you silap put the price tag.

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Should be around there la the price. Each 0.1ct will have a price jump. The 0.37ct is jumped to 0.4ct in this case. Between these two diamonds, the 0.4ct is actually cheaper for its carat weight, compared to the 0.37ct. The 0.4ct here is more like purchasing from WhiteFlash without any GST, while the 0.37ct here is more like purchasing from WhiteFlash but with GST. That's why i said 0.4 is "cheaper".
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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ May 4 2017, 02:39 AM)
Should be around there la the price. Each 0.1ct will have a price jump. The 0.37ct is jumped to 0.4ct in this case. Between these two diamonds, the 0.4ct is actually cheaper for its carat weight, compared to the 0.37ct. The 0.4ct here is more like purchasing from WhiteFlash without any GST, while the 0.37ct here is more like purchasing from WhiteFlash but with GST. That's why i said 0.4 is "cheaper".
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But you wrote you prefer the 0.37 one wohh. Like that better get a 0.39 to maximise carat weight haha.
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post May 4 2017, 09:09 AM

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QUOTE(bb100 @ May 4 2017, 07:29 AM)
But you wrote you prefer the 0.37 one wohh. Like that better get a 0.39 to maximise carat weight haha.
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Problem is dont have 0.39ct for me to choose... only 0.37ct and 0.4ct as provided. Out of the 2 options provided, the 0.37ct wins in terms of proportions, that's why I prefer that. As for the price, 0.4ct in comparison to what we can get online is slightly cheaper, but we all know that a diamond's cut will affect the price.

As for the price for that 0.37ct, it seems fair to me because I compared it to WhiteFlash's price. We can agree that WhiteFlash price is not the cheapest for diamonds, but main focus is on the proportions, and since this 0.37ct falls within the acceptable proportions of an ACA, so this is the one. wink.gif

Of course, this is still consider buying blind, but I hope the asker is able to at least take a look of both the diamonds before making a decision.
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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ May 4 2017, 09:09 AM)
Problem is dont have 0.39ct for me to choose... only 0.37ct and 0.4ct as provided.
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No bro, what I meant is for him to try and look for a 0.39 to maximise carat weight.
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post May 4 2017, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(bb100 @ May 4 2017, 09:15 AM)
No bro, what I meant is for him to try and look for a 0.39 to maximise carat weight.
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Yup, that certainly can maximize the value.

We have to wish him luck in order to get a decent 0.39ct. Don't think is that easy because that will reduce the price of the diamond because it has been cut down to become a 30-pointer instead of a 40-pointer.

However, if he managed to source for one, I hope that is because the diamond cutter wants the best proportions and don't mind dropping the carat weight from a 40-pointer to become a 30-pointer.

In his case, I am actually more curious about the halo setting with side stones. There are more factors to consider compare to a loose diamond:
1. What is the total weight of 18k white gold in grams?
2. 18k - 75% is gold, 25% is misc metals. What is the remaining 25%, is it hypoallergenic?
3. What is the carat total weight (ctw) of the side stones?
4. What is the cut, clarity, and colour of the side stones?
5. Are all the side stones the same size? Or they are 2 side stones that are larger that the other side stones?
6. What is current gold price?
7. What is the quality, any sample to refer to?

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hi ,

i just got mine 0.46 E Vs1 3EX for 10200 by forevermark from DEGEM . it is a good deal?

At first i was thinking to get from ZCOVA ..but have doubt ..
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QUOTE(crimv @ May 6 2017, 02:57 PM)
hi ,

i just got mine 0.46 E Vs1 3EX for 10200 by forevermark from DEGEM . it is a good deal?

At first i was thinking to get from ZCOVA ..but have doubt ..
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Ohh my gods bro. Have you bought it??? If you haven't then better don't get Forevermark bro. I saw their diamonds before, totally not worth. You are paying more for the brand.

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QUOTE(bb100 @ May 6 2017, 06:05 PM)
Ohh my gods bro. Have you bought it??? If you haven't then better don't get Forevermark bro. I saw their diamonds before, totally not worth. You are paying more for the brand.

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brand also one of my main concern . Im looking for brand , size , cut , color .. and 10k is around my budget..

I noe that price i can get 0.5 but brand is not there .. I just wanna make sure do the 0.46 E vs1 worth this price or not .. HCA i get around 1.6

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QUOTE(crimv @ May 6 2017, 06:06 PM)
brand also one of my main concern . Im looking for brand , size , cut , color .. and 10k is around my budget..

I noe that price i can get 0.5 but brand is not there ..  I just wanna make sure do the 0.46 E vs1 worth this price or not .. HCA i get around 1.6
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Ohh OK.

Mind sharing its certification number for the pros here to have a more in depth analysis?
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QUOTE(bb100 @ May 6 2017, 06:18 PM)
Ohh OK.

Mind sharing its certification number for the pros here to have a more in depth analysis?
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62.9% depth, 55.1% table, 34.9° crown angle, 40.8° pavilion angle
i believe u cant search cert in web as Forevermark using it own cert
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QUOTE(crimv @ May 6 2017, 06:06 PM)
brand also one of my main concern . Im looking for brand , size , cut , color .. and 10k is around my budget..

I noe that price i can get 0.5 but brand is not there ..  I just wanna make sure do the 0.46 E vs1 worth this price or not .. HCA i get around 1.6
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What is the measurements of the diamond? Does the diamond cross the 5mm mark? I believe that crossing the 5mm mark will make the diamond more expensive because it will look similar to a 0.5ct. But I guess 0.46ct will be close to 5mm, but not reach yet. For your size, I would say that your diamond alone may cost around USD 1600 - USD 1800 if it is a super ideal cut.

Actually your diamond's crown and pavilion angle meets strict standard, problem with this diamond is that it is cut too deep. 62.9% is really deep. And that's the main criteria that makes the cut not that good, and the price should be relatively cheaper. The only reason I can think of that the diamond is cut so deep is that the cutter wants to retain the weight, hence, the price. For the buyer, money is wasted on something we can't see, which is the depth. So, it is not worth the price, but since your main criteria is brand, I guess that is where the extra premium goes.
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QUOTE(crimv @ May 6 2017, 06:21 PM)
62.9% depth, 55.1% table, 34.9° crown angle, 40.8° pavilion angle
i believe u cant search cert in web as Forevermark using it own cert
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Ohh my gods 62.9% depth ahh bro???

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Sorry to say that your diamond will not look like a 0.46 carat bro cuz of the deep cut.
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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ May 7 2017, 01:52 PM)
So, it is not worth the price, but since your main criteria is brand, I guess that is where the extra premium goes.
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I don't understand why he wanna go for the big brands and sacrifice cut. It is not like watches or handbags where people look at brand names first. Very seldom we come across people asking for the "brand" of the diamond.

Yes lahh, getting a Tiffany or in his case, a Forevermark for the future wife will make her feel good, but that's all about it. When she compares the bling factor with other super ideal cuts out there, I don't think she will feel good anymore.

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post May 7 2017, 03:58 PM

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I don't understand why he wanna go for the big brands and sacrifice cut. It is not like watches or handbags where people look at brand names first. Very seldom we come across people asking for the "brand" of the diamond.

Yes lahh, getting a Tiffany or in his case, a Forevermark for the future wife will make her feel good, but that's all about it. When she compares the bling factor with other super ideal cuts out there, I don't think she will feel good anymore.
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Well, everyone has their own preference. Asian market is more concious on brand.

Anyway, let's take branded goods as example. When I buy an LV, I would probably say one of the reasons will be workmanship, e.g. You can easily see the stitches are good. However, let's say one of the LV has bad stitches, will you buy it for such high premium? I guess not.

Similarly, same concept should be applied to diamonds. If big brands were to charge a high premium on their diamonds, at least show that it is worth it. In fact, it is actually very very very easy for them to proof it, but very very very impossible for them to execute such move because this will translate to higher time to market, lower diamond production due to QC, and lower revenue. Even if they put a higher premium on the diamonds, I believe the revenue will still be lower because affordability of the market becomes narrower... Well, this is just based on my thinking though, but at the very least, big brands should start to show the necessary images to back it up.

In the case of that 0.46ct, I believe the cutter definitely knows what he is doing based on the crown and pavilion angle. But then in order to retain weight, he is not willing to sacrifice the depth because this would translate to lower carat, and lower selling price. It is pretty common in that industry I believe, but it is good that there are cutters that are more of a purists that would be willing to sacrifice on price to get better cuts. We just have to know where to buy such diamonds in order to make the most out of our hard earned cash.

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