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Advice Wanted [WTA] Proposal Ring & Wedding Bands, Please advice me!! Need Help!!

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55665566
post Apr 15 2019, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Apr 15 2019, 08:21 AM)
If lab grown, they are practically diamond. Cons? Perhaps lacking the "historical" value.

Nonetheless, look for one that has a grading report. I know IGI does grade lab grown. Not sure about GIA.

Also, the price you stated seems abit too cheap to be true, so I would say make some more inquiry. Lab grown is cheaper, but not as cheap as that.

In Malaysia, I think the one selling is Gordon Max.
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What i heard from the salesman, he mentioned that there is only one for their diamonds.

Some people wear real diamond but the feeling to others are fake
Some people wear fake diamond but the person can bring out the real feeling
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post Apr 15 2019, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(55665566 @ Apr 15 2019, 09:15 AM)
What i heard from the salesman, he mentioned that there is only one for their diamonds.

Some people wear real diamond but the feeling to others are fake
Some people wear fake diamond but the person can bring out the real feeling
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Hmm? What do you mean by only one?

Lol. As long as one is happy, wear cubic zirconia is also happiness. Those tiny diamonds on those Pandora jewelry... Those are cubic zirconia, see so many girls happy tongue.gif
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post Apr 15 2019, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Apr 15 2019, 09:55 AM)
Hmm? What do you mean by only one?

Lol. As long as one is happy, wear cubic zirconia is also happiness. Those tiny diamonds on those Pandora jewelry... Those are cubic zirconia, see so many girls happy tongue.gif
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Sorry, I meant only 1 type of spec of lab made diamond.
The colorless, flawless diamond. (highest spec)
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post Apr 15 2019, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(55665566 @ Apr 15 2019, 10:30 AM)
Sorry, I meant only 1 type of spec of lab made diamond.
The colorless, flawless diamond. (highest spec)
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May I know the name of the shop you are dealing with?

Btw, here is a legit lab grown diamond :
I think it is 1.3x I color, graded by IGI:
https://www.facebook.com/137919812957389/po...36517146430969/
https://youtu.be/NNQ6oFK23AM

Check out the price. It is no way close to what you are being offered.
My experience with this guy is pretty good. His office is situated next to a diamond factory. The price is very good, but shipping is surprisingly more expensive than I anticipated. USD 150 for shipping I think. And no, I did not buy anything from him, but I do paid him roughly USD 10 for his service.
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post Apr 15 2019, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Apr 15 2019, 11:03 AM)
May I know the name of the shop you are dealing with?

Btw, here is a legit lab grown diamond :
I think it is 1.3x I color, graded by IGI:
https://www.facebook.com/137919812957389/po...36517146430969/
https://youtu.be/NNQ6oFK23AM

Check out the price. It is no way close to what you are being offered.
My experience with this guy is pretty good. His office is situated next to a diamond factory. The price is very good, but shipping is surprisingly more expensive than I anticipated. USD 150 for shipping I think. And no, I did not buy anything from him, but I do paid him roughly USD 10 for his service.
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the last i went is in SG.
https://www.18karaats.com/18_karaats_home.html
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post Apr 15 2019, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(55665566 @ Apr 15 2019, 11:50 AM)
They sell diamond simulants. So technically, they are not diamonds:
From Google:
A diamond simulant is a stone that looks similar to real diamond and shares some of its characteristics. Although simulants are used as diamond imitations, they have a different chemical structure from real diamonds. Some simulants occur naturally, while others are created artificially.

https://www.thecentrepoint.com.sg/store-det...94&StoreID=4223
"Our diamond simulants are lab created in America and have similar characteristics to natural diamonds. These stones resemble real diamonds so closely and have the same appearance like the perfect natural diamonds. It is difficult for professional jewellers to distinguish them from real diamonds without going under the gem scope.In 18 Karaats, We only select the highest quality stones for our jewellery."

Some simulant options from elsewhere:
Asha diamond is one of those I know about. It cannot outperform a well-cut diamond, assuming both have the same cut quality:
https://betterthandiamond.com/products/Asha...rows-Round.html.
https://www.thediamondauthority.org/asha-vs-diamond/

You want a simulant that is even better, try Amora Gems. Due to its properties, it will outperform a real diamond:
https://betterthandiamond.com/pages/Why-Amora-Gem%3F.html
https://amora-gems.com/eternity-ha-round/

Now that you bring up the topic again, there is once I wanted to buy one of these... and now I feel like looking at them again! LOL.

Nonetheless, go to YouTube and check out the videos. They are incredible. If you and your other half can get pass the fact that they are not diamond, along with the fact that it is creatd by mother nature, and want something that sparkles extremely well, I think Amora should be one of the best choice! Not everyone needs a real diamond for marriage, and not everyone needs a wedding photo shoot as well. I heard some people even buy some pasar malam "wedding bands" just for the sake of the ceremony and throw them away afterwards. cool2.gif

This post has been edited by kambingkoh: Apr 15 2019, 12:45 PM
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post Apr 15 2019, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Apr 15 2019, 12:43 PM)
They sell diamond simulants. So technically, they are not diamonds:
From Google:
A diamond simulant is a stone that looks similar to real diamond and shares some of its characteristics. Although simulants are used as diamond imitations, they have a different chemical structure from real diamonds. Some simulants occur naturally, while others are created artificially.

https://www.thecentrepoint.com.sg/store-det...94&StoreID=4223
"Our diamond simulants are lab created in America and have similar characteristics to natural diamonds. These stones resemble real diamonds so closely and have the same appearance like the perfect natural diamonds. It is difficult for professional jewellers to distinguish them from real diamonds without going under the gem scope.In 18 Karaats, We only select the highest quality stones for our jewellery."

Some simulant options from elsewhere:
Asha diamond is one of those I know about. It cannot outperform a well-cut diamond, assuming both have the same cut quality:
https://betterthandiamond.com/products/Asha...rows-Round.html.
https://www.thediamondauthority.org/asha-vs-diamond/

You want a simulant that is even better, try Amora Gems. Due to its properties, it will outperform a real diamond:
https://betterthandiamond.com/pages/Why-Amora-Gem%3F.html
https://amora-gems.com/eternity-ha-round/

Now that you bring up the topic again, there is once I wanted to buy one of these... and now I feel like looking at them again! LOL.

Nonetheless, go to YouTube and check out the videos. They are incredible. If you and your other half can get pass the fact that they are not diamond, along with the fact that it is creatd by mother nature, and want something that sparkles extremely well, I think Amora should be one of the best choice! Not everyone needs a real diamond for marriage, and not everyone needs a wedding photo shoot as well. I heard some people even buy some pasar malam "wedding bands" just for the sake of the ceremony and throw them away afterwards.  cool2.gif
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thanks for your explanation.
not expert in this field, so need someone to guide me haha
but what i think really, the shiny part really cannot differentiate from diamond.
worth it. at least when you lost it, you wont so sakit hati

thats the point. some people are just not meant to wear diamond.
while others only need to wear tshirt to bring the luxury feeling.
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post Apr 15 2019, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(55665566 @ Apr 15 2019, 01:47 PM)
thanks for your explanation.
not expert in this field, so need someone to guide me haha
but what i think really, the shiny part really cannot differentiate from diamond.
worth it. at least when you lost it, you wont so sakit hati

thats the point. some people are just not meant to wear diamond.
while others only need to wear tshirt to bring the luxury feeling.
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At the end of the day, it boils down to what the receiver wants. So give it a thought.
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post Apr 15 2019, 03:44 PM

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Seems really difficult to purchase/find the best diamond possible. As the same specs (4C) on the GIA cert is only half the factor. Need to view the ASET and determine the best diamond under that same specs.
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post Apr 15 2019, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(tzehan_dk @ Apr 15 2019, 03:44 PM)
Seems really difficult to purchase/find the best diamond possible. As the same specs (4C) on the GIA cert is only half the factor. Need to view the ASET and determine the best diamond under that same specs.
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If there is no ASET provided, then try to look for stones with safe proportions and look for stones that show excellent arrows. You will have a better chance to land on something above average.

If you don't mind buying online. Then you have companies like Whiteflash (affiliate link) , Brian Gavin Diamonds (affiliate link) , and High Performance Diamonds (affiliate link) which sells Crafted by Infinity diamonds.

If you are not keen to buy online, then look for Memory Jewellery and tell them Yang Kin recommended you to ask them help to look for 100% H&A, 34.5 crown angle, 40.8 pavilion angle, and max 62% depth (a little bit more is acceptable though), together with a 56% table preferably. They will help you buy your diamond from the diamond supplier. I have two small diamonds from their supplier and they look good.

Below are some pics I took myself:

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post Apr 16 2019, 12:18 AM

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For quality lab-grown diamonds, you can check out Clean Origins.

https://www.cleanorigin.com/

No experience with them, but their CVD process is technically superior creating a diamond that's no different from mined ones. However, the prices don't seem all that cheap to me (though you can definitely get better specs for the same price).

Just info sharing since I have no stake in promoting them and only saw them through this Forbes article this morning about buying habits of millenials which prefers the more ethical nature of lab-grown stones.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/pamdanziger/20...e/#631323aa2e33
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post Apr 16 2019, 08:02 AM

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QUOTE(ub3rg33k @ Apr 16 2019, 12:18 AM)
For quality lab-grown diamonds, you can check out Clean Origins.

https://www.cleanorigin.com/

No experience with them, but their CVD process is technically superior creating a diamond that's no different from mined ones. However, the prices don't seem all that cheap to me (though you can definitely get better specs for the same price).

Just info sharing since I have no stake in promoting them and only saw them through this Forbes article this morning about buying habits of millenials which prefers the more ethical nature of lab-grown stones.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/pamdanziger/20...e/#631323aa2e33
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Nice. This is certainly worth to consider IMO. The stone I browse is Type2a, I think is the rarest kind of diamond or maybe one of the rarest if they are actually mined from earth.

I believe only lab can tell which is which. And personally I don't think the differences that can be detected by labs will show any differences in real life.
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post Apr 16 2019, 08:53 AM

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If we buy loose diamonds from whiteflash, how do we calculate the air freight tax? Do we need to pay SST for the loose diamonds?
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post Apr 16 2019, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(Jason_khoo @ Apr 16 2019, 08:53 AM)
If we buy loose diamonds from whiteflash, how do we calculate the air freight tax? Do we need to pay SST for the loose diamonds?
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All tax free. So you only pay the exact amount fort he wire transfer in USD.
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post Apr 16 2019, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Apr 16 2019, 10:31 AM)
All tax free. So you only pay the exact amount fort he wire transfer in USD.
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Thanks when FedEx delivers parcel to us, how much small change we need to prepare?
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post Apr 16 2019, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(Jason_khoo @ Apr 16 2019, 10:42 AM)
Thanks when FedEx delivers parcel to us, how much small change we need to prepare?
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Since you already paid for the diamond, the is no payment needed. Just prepare IC for verification purpose.
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post Apr 16 2019, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Apr 16 2019, 10:56 AM)
Since you already paid for the diamond, the is no payment needed. Just prepare IC for verification purpose.
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Thanks alot for the info. Appreciate it.
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post Apr 16 2019, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(Jason_khoo @ Apr 16 2019, 11:11 AM)
Thanks alot for the info. Appreciate it.
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No problem.

If you are buying from them, appreciate if you can use my affiliate link: https://www.whiteflash.com?a_aid=myengringexp (affiliate link).

Anyway, for your info, it seems that Brian Gavin Diamonds - https://www.briangavindiamonds.com?a_aid=myengexp (affiliate link) have revised their prices, and while looking at 0.3ct range of diamonds, they are actually more affordable than WhiteFlash's overall.
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post Apr 16 2019, 02:19 PM

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Just checked with Brian Gavin Diamonds (affiliate link) that they indeed revised their prices for smaller carat weight (0.18ct - 0.99ct) as they have a new diamond cutting facility as well as due to economy of scale. This is also done do reflect the current market condition.

To add on, for those diamonds that do not make it into their Black category (affiliate link), you can enjoy 8% off (including 3% wire discount) currently by using the discount code APRILDIA19. You can rest assured that those that do no make it into Black does not mean that they are bad diamonds, the difference is actually subtle and they are able to stand strong against any typical virtual inventory diamonds in the mass market.
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Shipping is not free, but try to ask for it nicely. You could possibly get it, but no promises.

Loose diamond import is also tax-free in Malaysia, so you only pay the amount stated on their website and that's it.

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@kambingkoh any KL diamond stores you can recommend for best value and quality?

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