True VS2 in that case.

Hi Kambingkoh and sifus,

I am currently looking for proposal ring, and below are the options:

1) GIA 6302638163, video: video

2) GIA 1325006087, video: video 2

What do u guys think about the diamonds? Which is the better choice?

And also please comment also if they are true hearts and arrows? Given that they triple excellent diamonds but their arrows don’t look good to me from the videos.

Thanks!!

I prefer the 1325006087. It looks more even. Most likely not 100% Hearts and Arrows but it should somehow exhibit a hearts and arrows pattern that is better than the other diamond. we can't tell for sure whether it will be a hearts and arrows diamond without looking at the bottom of the diamond.

Proportion wise, it will favour brightness more than fire. The table vs depth shows that this diamond is a 60/60 stone. 60% table and 60% diamond total depth.

This diamond has a higher crown and a higher star length compare to the other diamond. This could possibly make this diamond to exhibit better fire compare to the other diamond.

Tailored Jewel promo?

This post has been edited by kambingkoh: Feb 27 2019, 12:58 AM

Yes, how do you know it's from TJ? According to them, both diamonds are under the TJ's Pick category, which the diamonds are all with excellent/ ideal cut and HCA excellent. I tried calculating the cut score with the link you shared this thread earlier but it shows REPORT NO FOUND.

TJ is offering 1325006087 at 6.4k whereas the other one rm500 cheaper.

I have gone to SK, Poh Kong, D&P and Love&Co with hope of getting a perfect diamond for my proposal. These retailers are selling very very beautiful diamond, with very nice and symmetrical arrows under the scope, and of cos it comes with very BEAUTIFUL price too!

0.4ct in colourless range, VVS clarity, with some diamond shave faint fluorescence + the video, it is not hard to guess it is from TJ.

Enchanted Cut Score sometimes is like that. Nonetheless, it is a proprietary logic that focus on proportions only and not final cut quality. It is useful to filter out good proportions diamond though.

The same piece of diamond can be found on Enchanted Diamonds: https://enchanteddiamonds.com/diamonds/view...amond-814279295. It is selling at USD 1120, with free shipping to Malaysia, and Malaysia import diamond is tax-free.



You can still get RM 50 off if you are transferring for the first time using my referral code REF_ACOO.

Ring settings can be as affordable as RM 1200 (starting price) from The Gem Tribe (find on Facebook), or you can opt for standard fit ring setting at RM 1499 from Memory Jewellery - https://memoryjewellery.com/category/engagement-ring/

So total is RM 4549.18 + RM 1499 = RM 6048.18 <- This involves more time and energy, like taking leaves, etc. Also, you have to feel comfortable with it. So, it is worth thinking whether the hassle is worth it.

Personally, I find TJ price is fair enough for the service he provides. Every business needs profit, and at the same time, create win-win.

Now for the cut, no doubt it is excellent cut, as the report states so. But then, I can find you tonnes of excellent cut diamonds easily but without hearts and arrows.

As for arrows... They only tell half the picture. The Hearts will be more challenging. How much they quoting you?

So does this look nice to you?


This post has been edited by kambingkoh: Feb 27 2019, 10:25 AM

SK's Loveall and Poh Kong's Hemera come with 10 Hearts & 10 Arrows, 0.4ct, D/F, VS1/VS2 easily hit 13k to 15k. D&P Estrella is having promotion of 20% off for all diamond rings (8 Hearts & 8 Arrows), so it's around 11k for 0.4ct with similar colour and clarity. Love&Co Lovemarque is by far the most expensive one, 0.4ct for around 13k but have to forgo the colour and clarity (I think they proposed G/H, SI1/SI2) which they claimed not too important unless I am looking for very big carat size.

So TJ offer is the cheapest at the moment, with similar or better specs, but the arrows not that nice.

Yes, judging from the symmetry and alignment, it looks good! Do you have the heart image too?

This post has been edited by Vb123: Feb 27 2019, 10:30 AM

Just updated my post earlier. Have a look.

Loveall an Hemera are modified round brilliants. Some like it, some don't. They will scintillate more in general but the sparks will be less bold. If I want to splurge that amount, I would consider Lazare diamonds from Degem (standard round brilliant) instead, if I want a brand with a brick-and-mortar.

13k-15k can get you a 0.6ct diamond with ring setting already. Maybe an F colour VS quality.

11k for a 0.4ct? Around 11k you can get WhiteFlash ACA (affiliate link) 0.5ct colourless range VVS quality maybe with 18k ring setting (set it locally).

For the diamond I show you, I would still complain on the 12 o'clock arrow body and arrow head. But overall, it is acceptable.

I would agree with Love & Co, sometimes, it is too small to notice the clarity for a stone at this size. But I won't go til SI2 unless I am very sure what is inside and where is the location to get comfortable with it. But for that price?
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/r...id=myengringexp (affiliate link)





or this https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/r...id=myengringexp (affiliate link).





Both 0.4x ct E VVS2! Below RM 5700, include local ring setting, RM 7200 max.

How much is a Hearts & Arrows 0.4ct G SI1? https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/r...id=myengringexp (affiliate link) - RM 4365.12, add ring setting RM 1499 = RM 5864.12. So, if you haggle 13k say give you 20% discount, you are still paying more than RM 10k.





G SI1.. just for comparison, personally don't really prefer star length 48% (of course we can go case-by-case basis). And checked the video too, looks okay, but not as good as 0.421ct E VVS2. Check it out.

For the diamond I posted, the full post here:
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=91922958

It is my stone I just received 2 days back. Haven't have the time to take ASET and IdealScope.

This post has been edited by kambingkoh: Feb 27 2019, 11:16 AM

Hi fellow sifus.
I plan to buy a proposal ring, and after looking up online I didn't expect how complicated it is when looking for the right diamond 😮
I managed to learn about some of the terms thanks to reading up here (from the info provided by you guys, seriously, you guys are awesomeness) and looking at diamonds at Zcova.
I would like to know is there any significance in the colour between d and f grade, as well as clarity. Is it worth to get a diamond at vvs1 or vvs2 over vs1 and vs2 grade clarity.

Thanks!

For colour, If you view from the side of the diamond, probably you can see some difference if you pay close attention. Or you may notice F colour could have some very very very slight yellow hint. But if face up, it is hard to see the differences. And if you don't pay attention at all, it is basically no difference.

I think VS1 provides the best mind clean factor as well as value for money. VVS is abit overkill but if the price is right, it is a good choice as well.

Hi all. Can I know where to get a good diamond ring? Went to D&P and Habib

D&P
1.GIA (F, VS2, 1.0CT) RM54K
2. GIA (F, SI 1.0CT) RM47K
3. GIA (G, VS1, 1.2) RM67

HABIB (Hearts of Fire)
1.AGS (K, SI, 1.0CT) RM38K
2. AGS (K, SI, 1.2CT) RM49K

Usually I will recommend people to start online, it seems scary at first but at the end of the day it is a fairly simple process.

To start off, Hearts on Fire is very overpriced. An AGS graded K SI1 will be cost around this much:

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/r...id=myengringexp (affiliate link)



A typical ring setting starts from RM 1499 from Memory Jewellery.

That being said a 1.08 carat of K SI1 will be around RM 20500.

For a F VS1, here you go:
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/r...id=myengringexp (affiliate link)



So the total ring price is RM 45851.88.

Malaysia import diamond is tax-free.

So which diamonds caught your eye more? DP ones or Hearts on Fire?



This post has been edited by kambingkoh: Mar 3 2019, 10:17 AM

Thabks. Will have a look at the website later. Actually my intentions some might think it's silly but i hope it will serve as a heirloom if and when I have a kid. For him to propose to his future wife or for my daughter something to pass on.
If buy gold its hmmm...you know you will never wear it for pleasure. All keep in the house.

DP certainly looks nice and glittery. Of course I understand about the 4C then there where talks about other grading why Gia is inferior to other grading. If you want size then go for GIA if you want cut and brilliance go for hearts of fire etc.

So still studying knowing that 40-50k is not a small amount.

It is a waste if no wear it, but well, Malaysia is not too safe sometimes.

GIA is the world's most recognised diamond grading lab. They grade a lot of diamonds and can range from inferior diamonds to some superbly cut diamonds. So that statement that GIA is more inferior is not true. They of course have their pros and cons, but that doesn't mean they are bad. In fact, I believe the GIA grading report will have more authority when it comes to selling off the diamond during auction. If you want some superbly cut diamonds from GIA, check out Jann Paul from Singapore. You can easily find their education videos online. Their GIA graded diamonds are quite superb as far as customer reviews are concerned.

AGS on the other hand is started from the same founder, however they focus more on light performance and cut quality, and give you more details of the diamond by showing the exact average figure of a crown angle, for example, rather then rounding up the value. For example, a 34.3 crown angle will remain as 34.3 on the grading report instead of 34.5 crown angle on the GIA grading report. Depending on report type, some may even include the ASET image on it, showing you the light play within the diamond. This is definitely a plus point.

What are Your 4C requirements?

ZCOVA (affiliate link) is throwing a new promotion for 0.6ct GIA Triple Excellent with None Fluorescence. Check it out here (affiliate link)

Hi guys.. my gf hinted that she likes cushion cut diamonds. Any advice on this? It’s quite hard to find loose cushion cut diamonds in msia. Looking at around 0.5-0.7ct.

Is it better to import it in from white flash?

WhiteFlash does not have any signature cushion. Brian Gavin does. There are only 3 that is in their inventory now:

Import is tax-free, and it is convenient.

What is your budget and 4Cs?

https://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds...?a_aid=myengexp (affilaite link) RM 5578.33
Has the best Hearts, but the 4 o'clock arrow seems to slightly misaligned.

https://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds...?a_aid=myengexp (affiliate link) RM 5853.95
Hearts are not as good as the others (by itself is pretty good, but if compare it is not as good. It is like 98% vs 100% kind of case), but it has the best IdealScope and ASET. This is probably the one I will get myself. Least eye-clean though, but will be eye-clean in normal viewing condition.

https://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds...?a_aid=myengexp (affiliate link) RM 6623.23
Has the best clarity. Seems to sparkle better than the 1st diamond, if we compare the sparkle video.

Cushion has a few variants. Not sure which one your other half prefers. Hearts and Arrows from Brian Gavin Diamonds is one of it. Some cushion cut has crushed ice effect, which some other people prefer. Read this:
https://www.diamonds.pro/education/cushion-cut/

This post has been edited by kambingkoh: Mar 5 2019, 05:00 PM

Hi Kambingkoh,

my budget is 10K including the ring, so for the diamond itself probably around 7-8k?

i'm more concern with ct weight. color H. for Clarity as long as its eye clean should be fine.

so probably i should look more into the sparkle? as i've read that cushion is less brilliant as compared to a typical round diamond.

Yes, that is a safe range to spend. Oh btw, Brian Gavin does not provide free shipping, so you probably need to top-up another USD 50 (rough estimate), but you can try to ask them to exempt it. Sometimes may get it, worth a try, but try with an open heart.

Colour H is pretty whitish facing-up. Usually the slightly yellowish tint is more observable on the diamond body itself when view from the side. And with the strong light return, it will look bright, as long as you don't compare side-by-side with a colourless stone.

Round brilliant is the most performing diamond overall, other shapes have their own flavours. But I believe Hearts & Arrows Cushion should somewhat perform pretty awesome as well, since Brian Gavin Diamonds treat their in-house diamonds pretty strict. You can always ask the sales consultant to compare for you.

I think diamonds are all about sparkle, no?

Of course, you don't have to limit your options to Brian Gavin Diamonds alone. You can always check out jewelers like ZCOVA (affiliate link) and see if they have anything to suggest. As far as I know, not too long ago they had a 1 carat cushion diamond promotion, so I guess they are pretty capable in selecting a suitable candidate for you.

This post has been edited by kambingkoh: Mar 5 2019, 05:24 PM

Been creeping around here a lot reading stuff especially the great insights from kambingkoh. Now that I am planning to get one for the special day in Apr, I feel like tearing my hair out looking at all those selections of diamonds and settings and materials.

kambingkoh, based on your advice, I have been talking to Zcova and iDo about this and hopefully i will finalize the selection soon. Perhaps Tailored Jewels too because their designs are also elegant.

Do you think it's a good idea to get the stone from them also rather than buy them loose?

Just wondering you have any recommendations if I have the following requirements?
RB of around 0.6 (of cos bigger will be better, but limited by budget lah)
Color E, F (G acceptable, but not preferred)
Clarity maybe VVS1 or 2 (just to be safe though I just need it to be eye clean)
Florescence - None
Proportion should be ideal with lots of
Budget, well, maybe 10-12k (stone only), should be enough right?

Given your contribution here which has increase my knowledge considerably, I am quite keen on using any affiliate link you have.