things just not goin smoothly.. I seek blessing and courage frm god almost a million times. but its like god abandoned me... I kinda abandoned him too for years..but only afta he abandoned me...

What is it that you seek?

Peace and direction in life..

http://www.gotquestions.org/signs-saving-faith.html

I've not felt any spectacular change ever in my life. It makes it really hard to accept that it's really just faith alone. Why didn't I feel any different than before, like the ones that make a 180 turn or something

Try not to be so subjective ... Initial salvation although marvellous and dynamic for some people, at least, most 2nd generation Christians like me, tend to have a "normal" salvation. I just have an inward, unspeakable peace within ... that's all.

I have met with many 180 turn .... believers ... those are just outward changes (which is marvelous ... I am not putting it down) but that is just initial, superficial and outward.

They testified that they "envied" that I grow up in the church life with all the knowledge. Vice versa, we (2nd generation) envied their dynamic salvation. So .... all is fair.

The real growth in the divine life is THE REAL DEAL, which is after regeneration. These growth are slow and steady but solid. It is just like the growth of human life.

For example, we experience these dealings throughout our entire life:

Consecration
Dealing with Sins
Dealing with the World
Dealing with the Conscience
Obeying the Teaching of the Anointing
Knowing the Will of God
Dealing with the Flesh
Dealing with Self
Dealing with the Natural Constitution
Accepting the Discipline of the Holy Spirit
Dealing with the Spirit
Being Filled with the Holy Spirit
Knowing the Body
Knowing the Ascension
Reigning
Spiritual Warfare
Full of the Stature of Christ

So, my advice is, start by spending time with Lord. Don't look for outward change. Call on His Name, "O Lord Jesus!" all the time, loudly, audibly. Pray over His Word. Eat His Word.

Exercise your human spirit to contact Him.

Seriously, everyday I eat breakfast. It is nothing spectacular. But I grow strong through daily eating. It is also the same with "spiritual eating" to grow. Dynamic inward change within is more valuable.

This post has been edited by pehkay: Apr 23 2014, 08:31 AM

I don't want to make any speculation. You may have rightly felt God has abandoned you.

But our walk with God cannot be based on feeling.

It's about having Faith and exercising Faith all the way.

Sometime things don't turn out the way we want after we pray is because we forgot there
are forces of darkness resisting our prayer.

Remember Daniel?

Daniel 10:13 - But the prince of the Persian kingdom resisted me twenty-one days. Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, because I was detained there with the king of Persia.


The prince of Persian kingdom represents one of the hierarchy of the Satan's devils.

I did pray for you. I pray that you will not give up hope in your walk with God.

God Bless.

Don't be so hard on yourself, and you shouldn't condemn yourself in anyway.

That's what the devil wants anyway.

It takes time for a flower to bloom.

Faith in testing MUST be completed in testings. The word of God is clear on that.

So carry on where ever you left.

Thank you for the patience Pehkay and UW. I've read my bible today.

"They testified that they "envied" that I grow up in the church life with all the knowledge. Vice versa, we (2nd generation) envied their dynamic salvation. So .... all is fair. "

Lolololololol wow I've heard of it but I never really thought about that until now. In the end both think the grass is greener on the other side

P.S guys I need urgent help. My mom is looking for a Hokkien service to minister to her really really really old parents. One pretty much almost want to go. Maybe her mom will live only for 1 more year.

She want to learn how to speak proper Hokkien terms instead of english/cantonese/campur Wa eh lau pek ti lau teng. You get the idea. My grandparents came from China kampung so they have almost no knowledge of English/Malay and very limited Mandarin

Methodist Wesley keep giving Cantonese service instead.

The location of that hokkien church must be within LRT/Monorail range, or close to my area of PWTC

Edit:

My dad's side is 100% Christian (if you count the Catholics as one, I dunno.) and the grandparents now in Heaven. My mom's side on the other hand is the complete opposite. After 40 years also still my mom (and us by extention) is the only Christian of her family.

This post has been edited by Sophiera: Apr 24 2014, 05:56 PM

may i know where is your location?

Jalan Raja Laut, the cross intersection to PWTC/Jalan Ipoh/Chow Kit

u might want to consider KL methodist hokkien church, currently helm by Rev. Dr. Mark Chua if i am not mistaken

http://cmhckl.org/cn/contact.html

This post has been edited by De_Luffy: Apr 25 2014, 05:39 PM

But whenever my mom go there, it's Cantonese/Mandarin instead.

are you sure? there is a hokkien service as well, u can try ask the office for more info?

the service is at 9.45am every sunday

any one recommend a medium sized church nearby Kepong with a sizeable crowd of working adults?

My mom checked for the hokkien church and it's officially gone now. Replaced by mandarin service

since you are in KL it quite hard to find out which church still have hokkien service

Let continue in our thread.

Actually when Jesus spoke about False prophet or False teachers we have to look in the context of what he means.

There are 2.

One who denies Christ and (2 John 1:7)
One who claim to be the Christ. (Matthew 24:4)

Not What cloth they wear or what car they drive.

The word of God also exhorted in

Hebrews 13:17 (KJV) - Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

If you trust God as CEO then you need to acknowledge his sovereign ship in the leaders appointed.

God appoints, God can also remove.

Honestly no one can stop you from wanting to get involve with what Church do with their finance but If I were I wouldn't even want to get involve at all because people talk.

These are good guidelines.

The church leaders are appointed by men.
There are shitty pastors too.

Look at the fruit they bear.
And use "Jesus" as benchmark.

Do these so-called leaders or churches bear the fruit of Christ?