Not only them, You as well.

And one of the fruit of the spirit to apply;

1 Corinthians 13:5 (NIV) - It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.

You got to have Faith that our Heavenly Father is in control.

Having said that, what I do is, i reserve my judgement against anyone to God almighty alone and many times I was rebuked by God, for the same measure I judge others, it will be used back to measure against me.

So in essence what God is telling me, WHO am I really to judge these people? It's really between them and God.

Hope you understand something here.

I draw the line clear.
Call it dishonor if you like.

The very same way I dishonor sin.

ok. no problem.

That's how you see it.

And no, I'm not asking you to accept sin.

But to live a life free from worries.



This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Apr 29 2014, 04:46 PM

Interesting ..... need to ask you all, how do you find the truth of sonship? As adoption (divine filiation) or real organic sonship (we have the life of God)? Is it a big majority in the understanding that regeneration is adoption?

This post has been edited by pehkay: Apr 30 2014, 10:13 PM

Interesting topic.

I'm not too sure if the people in here understands your question. It sounds deep.

Even if I understand I can't answer...

Dear all, actually it's not that I am looking for a answer ... But more of a need to know where you all stand in this ? Is this view common?

Can you all accept that we are divinely adopted through baptism than a real divine birth having the life of God?

Sorry if I sound confusing.

It starts from there isn't it? We are adopted through receiving of God's Holy Spirit in our life then the divine birth happens in the process of our mind being repented all the time towards God.

Hahah ... you put them together? Actually, I have to be more picky on my sentences ...

It is either:

1) divinely adopted through believing + baptism
2) a real organic divine birth having the life of God through believing + baptism


My view

It is not that adoption is wrong .... IMHO just inadequate.

The Greek word (lit., setting one as a son) occurs five times in the New Testament (Rom. 8:15, 23; 9:4; Gal. 4:5; Eph. 1:5) and has been translated in the majority of English versions as adoption as sons.

I feel this translation is unfortunate because adoption conveys the impression to most English readers that the way one becomes a son of God is through a judicial procedure.

An alternate translation, sonship, which occurs in a few versions carries the notion in English of one who has the status of a son. E.g. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

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Ah ... it is just nothing .... XD

You are right but adoption "may" be technically correct as well because we all go through a judicial process at the cross, like a court proceeding our judgement were sentenced upon our Lord Jesus, only then we were declared free by the Judge. People of the world may not understand why today God can freely pardon our sins (Isaiah 55:7). They may say things like God is flip flop or has gone soft on Sin. Of course No, because we all know He has a righteous foundation which is the cross.

Maybe look at it this way, after a while, the feeling of adoption disappears as time goes by because of the Love of the Father is perfect towards us.



P.S: not to say I'm disagreeing but for discussion sake.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: May 2 2014, 10:02 AM

Eh .. sorry for the late reply. No problem with your disagreeing

But your understanding of adoption as a judicial process is the classic example of laying stress on a legal, judicial act whereby the adoptee is transferred from one family into another family, in this case, "from an alien family…into the family of God".

It also detracts from the Paul's concept of sonship as the attainment of the full inheritance of God as a result of maturing in the divine life.

Yes, salvation must be judicial [judicial redemption]. It fulfils God's righteous requirements. But there is also the organic aspect of salvation.

The feeling is gone because you experienced spiritually the love of God as the Father because we are genuine sons This we cannot deny.

Sonship also reinforces the notion of an organic union between Father and sons, Begetter and begotten, which union is effected by regeneration.

Through regeneration, bywhich the life and nature of God are imparted into the believers (John 1:13; 2 Pet. 1:4), human beings become children of God by virtue of the organic union with Him that is caused by the divine birth (John 1:12-13; 3:6).

This is why we are positioned to receive the full inheritance of God as genuine and matured sons of God.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/evidence-...ory?id=17884533

The story of Noah's Ark and the Great Flood is one of the most famous from the Bible, and now an acclaimed underwater archaeologist thinks he has found proof that the biblical flood was actually based on real events.

In an interview with Christiane Amanpour for ABC News, Robert Ballard, one of the world's best-known underwater archaeologists, talked about his findings. His team is probing the depths of the Black Sea off the coast of Turkey in search of traces of an ancient civilization hidden underwater since the time of Noah.




And of course people still say it's impossible, despite the facts.

This post has been edited by Sophiera: May 6 2014, 01:48 AM

Bible Devotions with UW

Why does God need a Son?



Someone asked quite an interesting question, why does God need a son? Is He a God who has a wife and can bear a son?
A very common "question" that is confusing to the nature of who God is.

Hebrews 1:1-2, explains that in the past, God spoke through various prophets in many portions and in many ways. What this means is that God uses Prophets (Man) to represent Him under OT. This means that the common people lookup to Man as being representative of God. And the days long ago represents the Old Testament Law. We all know that the old is only a shadow, a copy of the actual divine Kingdom of Heaven to come.
In other words, the OT is NOT the original. It's only a copy.

So we need to understand what happens in the OT, seeing that prophets represents God. The God of the burning bush did say to Abraham, Walk before Me (Genesis 17:1) which means, represent me, Abraham. But we all know in OT most of the prophets was imperfect. They messed up one way or another and if you noticed, there was a distance between the people and God. (Exodus 3:5)

In verse 2 of Hebrews 1, then it continue to say,

Hebrews 1:2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.

In these last days means, the final revelation of God is revealed in his Son, Christ Jesus.

Question. Why? Why in the OT, God is represented by Man and under the NT, God is represented through his begotten Son. One is Man, another God's Son.

To answer this question, you need to understand what did Jesus came to do. I won't waste much time, I'll give you the answer straight.

Jesus came to bring reconciliation between Us back to God through his sacrifice at the cross.

In the days of Old, Man represented God but there is a distance, In this last days, The Son represented God and there is reconciliation.
One is of a distance, One is of reconciliation. Do you understand the revelation now, why a Son and not any Man?

The answer is relationship. God wanted us to connect to Him in the relationship like a Father to a Son. He revealed Himself in his begotten Son so that we understand this. Father and Son.*

And Jesus Christ represents that.

God Bless.


*represent daughters as well.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: May 8 2014, 12:17 AM

My snippet of the day that I enjoyed:

"Do not try to be humble, for humility is like a bird. If you try to catch it, it flies away. Do not try to love your wife or to submit to your husband. You cannot do it. Simply take the Word. The Word brings life, and this life will issue in love and submission. Humility, love, and submission are all found in this life. We cannot acquire these virtues by our effort or work. They are all in the divine life."

unknown warrior

check out praise and worship "Yehovah naa mora" song from india. saw someone posted it on FB and thought of exploring it.

beautifully rendered in bharatanatyam dance

this is the modern version based on the original song below. getting popular now.



this is the traditional version with all the indian music. if you want to see the original song, this is it.

Nice.

awesome

This post has been edited by bananajoe: May 8 2014, 04:07 PM

Awesome, traditional dance and music can be used to glorify God also

This song really ministers to me.

This is the privilege we have, that we can sing song of praise to God.

The greatest joy.

That has a good melody too. It doesn't sound alike like many Christian musicians fall trap into.