Amen

Common sense doesn't work with God. He is a God of the impossible. Our ways are not His ways.
Otherwise common sense tells us that Jesus should have chosen scribes to preach His gospel, not fishermen and tax collectors!

Don't try to read out of the context out of Smryna. Jesus called them rich in spite of their poor conditions. was He trying to be funny?
No. But that Jesus recognises their beggary but yet their heart is rich towards Him and commended them.

If these church of Smryna appeared before wealth gospel preachers they will proclaim that God's curse is upon them as they were poor!
But no, its not the material riches that demonstrates that God is in their lives, but the richness of their hearts towards God in spite of their poverty.

Therefore, to say that God wants you to be rich materially is a false premise.

IGNOReD

The Narrow and Wide Gates
13 "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

A Tree and Its Fruit
15 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.

The TRUE Jesus Church- Everyone else is FALSE?


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As we look at the the True Jesus Church we will see the similarities that are called a special brand of truth “New Revelation.” The True Jesus Church believes that God prophesied that he would send the latter rain “through the Holy Spirit and is revival of The Church of the apostolic Days.” As promised by God and recorded in the Holy Bible, the True Jesus Church is the restored Apostolic Church in the end time” (1). This they claim descended in 1917 in the land of the rising sun, in Peking China. Three of their early workers were Paul Wei, Lingsheng Chang and Barnabas Chang were formally associated with other denominations until they received “The revelation of the perfect truth of salvation” (General Assembly tract-facts about the True Jesus Church).

There are a few basic things evangelical Christians may agree on with this church. They teach the Bible is God’s word, original sin, Christ being God in the flesh. But it is often what they mean and practice that can change a recognized doctrine. But they also hold to teachings that make them unique and exclusive, that develop into severe problems. This Church cannot be considered orthodox because of their exclusive statements and extreme interpretations of doctrine.Their claim is that the Lord founded their church and personally revealed five doctrines of salvation to rebuild the church to the model of the church in the apostles time so they can preach the complete Gospel. These doctrines are: the baptism of the water and of the Holy Spirit for the washing of sins and the guarantee of eternal life, footwashing to have a portion in the Lord Jesus, Holy Communion and the Sabbath. They believe that the saving of one's soul is only possible by following God's complete plan of instruction in the Bible. This includes the need to repent and to be baptized “in the name of Jesus” only for the remission of sins (including a certain bodily position and in particular type of water) along with a number of these other requirements for salvation. Clearly, this is not grace through faith with all these other requirements, despite that they claim it is.

On the website: point number 5. they emphatically state “The True Jesus Church is the true church restored by God through the Holy Spirit of the latter rain. She is the revival of the apostolic church in the end times.” They believe that they alone teach the restored truth of salvation that started from Beijing. Just as the gospel was spread from Jerusalem outwards in the days of the apostles theirs is the latter rain. Their Scripture justification is Isaiah 2:2 (which happens to take place in the millennium, not now). They believe after a few decades the Gospel went to every province of China then expanded to other parts of Asia. They claim “ the True Gospel has also reached countries in America, Africa, Europe and Australia.” In 1949, with the Communists coming to power in China, the church lost its freedom and underwent great persecution. They compare the church in Taiwan, to the church in Antioch in former times. In 1985 the International Assembly was relocated from Taiwan to Los Angeles. Their purpose is to preach to the nations of the world, to unify the doctrines, help the local churches, and bring the gospel to countries that had not yet received it. They say the gospel was bought to the US in 1930. 1979 the gospel was brought to Africa. Missionaries from China brought the “true gospel” to Hawaii in 1930 and began the church here in 1932.

It becomes apparent from their writings that they are claiming that there was no true teaching or gospel to these areas until they came along. Let me quote them again to make this clear: “Until today, the True Gospel has also reached countries in America, Africa, Europe, and Australia” (True Jesus Church of Chicago). “The True Jesus Church is the true church restored by God.” By saying this they would have to reject some of the major influences by missionaries in China as well as men of influence from themselves, such as Watchman Nee.


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Sabbath observation is an interesting one

IV.Should Christians Keep The Sabbath?

A. Many Sunday observers assert Christians need not keep thesabbath since they are not Jewish. Thus, many Sunday observers

are really non-sabbath observers, since even Sunday is notsacred. In light of this argument, let us examine the following:

1. God gave the sabbath to Israel, because they were the chosenpeople by whom his oracles and will were proclaimed to theworld (cf. Rom 3:1, 2).

2. The Lord Jesus said that “the sabbath was made for man”(Mk 2:27). So God established the sabbath after he hadcreated man on the sixth day. When the Lord said “man” didhe only refer to the Jewish man? Most likely not, since therewere no Jews in the beginning; in fact, there were no racialdifferences in the beginning. Thus, we are all “man,” i.e.,human beings, and the sabbath was made for us according toJesus.

3. The Bible tells us that strangers who joined themselves to theLord had the privilege of enjoying the grace of the sabbath(Isa 56:2–7). Many of these strangers were Gentiles

.4. The sabbath reminds humanity of God’s creation. Is God theGod of the Jews only? Can Gentiles be exempted fromremembering the Creator and from worshipping him? (Eccl12:1, 13; 1 Cor 8:6; Phil 2:9–11).

B. Many non-sabbath observers argue Christians are saved by grace,so they do not need to keep the Ten Commandments. However,according to the Bible:

1. Salvation does not come from the works of law, but throughthe Lord’s precious blood and faith in the Lord (Rom 3: 25,28).

2. However, under the grace of the Lord, Christians can neverabolish the Ten Commandments, nor should they transgressthe commandments at will. Paul told us to uphold the lawthrough our faith (Rom 3:31, 6:15; cf. Mt 19:17; 1 Cor 7:19;Rev 12:17, 14:12). The ordinances of the law have been takenaway by the cross, and so we need not follow the rules andrituals in a legalistic manner (Eph 2:15; Col 2:14, 16; Heb9:10). Nevertheless, the fulfillment of the law does not meanthat the Ten Commandments are obliterated, perverted, ortwisted. Rather, Christians must keep the “spirit” of the moral law, i.e., the commandments, through the help of the HolySpirit. Keeping the “spirit” of the law is a much higher stan-dard than the legalistic keeping of the law, for it is written inour hearts rather than in letter only (cf. Mt 5:17, 18, 21–23;Heb 8:10; Jas 2:10–12).

3.Observing the sabbath under grace differs greatly from thelegalistic observance according to the Old Testament andadditional Jewish traditions (Ex 35:1–3; Num 15:32-36).Observing the sabbath under grace is neither a burden nor abondage (Mt 12:1, 2; Mk 3:1, 2). Actually, sabbath undergrace can be seen as a return to the rest of Edenic days—loving, joyful, peaceful, and healing—since Christians enjoyspiritual and physical blessings from the Lord (cf. Gen 2:3; Ex16:23–25; Lk 12:9–13; Jn 5:1–18).

C. Non-sabbath day observers argue that the sabbath is “a shadow of the things to come,” and Christ came to eliminate the sabbath.Thus, Christians are not required to observe sabbath any more.However, according to the Bible:

1. In Colossians 2:16–17, the food, drink, festival, new moon andsabbath are a shadow of the things to come, but thesubstance is of Christ. These “shadows” are “eliminated” orovertaken by the cross. The Passover has, for instance,moved from the shadow to true substance, which came withChrist (1 Cor 5:7, 8). The ceremonial laws in the OldTestament concerning food and drink are no longer observedin the New Testament, but the substance of the food anddrink cannot be done away with—the substance coming withChrist. Likewise, the stifling legalistic or rabbinical rules, oralor written, concerning sabbath observance are abolished bythe Lord Jesus; however, the true substance of the sabbathitself, instituted by God from the beginning, cannot be elimi-nated.

2. So from Colossians 2:14–17, Christians should clearly under-stand that we must not return to legalistic regulations, lest weincite judgment from others (2:16). However, Christiansshould take care not to judge another Christian because he orshe keeps the sabbath under grace. As stated, sabbath obser-vance under grace is very different from observance under law. So the “food, drink, festival, new moon, and sabbath”under the law are merely a shadow of things to come, for thesubstance is indeed of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ gave usvictory by his death on the cross, on which all the ordinancesand rituals were nailed with the Lord. Though we do notobserve the Old Testament sabbath ordinances and practices,we must still observe the sabbath under grace lest others judge us hypocrites, i.e., do not take the sabbath lightly justbecause we are no longer bound by stringent regulations. Donot use liberty as a cover for vice. The “things to come” inColossians 2:17 may refer to the completion of the LordJesus’ work of salvation at his second coming, when we shallenter the true and eternal substance of sabbath rest found inChrist (Heb 4:10).

D. Non-sabbath Sunday observers use Galatians 4:10 and Romans14:5–6 as evidence that there is no difference in keeping thesabbath on Saturday or Sunday, since the observance of eitherday is unto the Lord. However, according to the Bible:

1. “One day,” “another day,” and “everyday” do not refer to “thesabbath” or “Sunday” at all in Romans 14:5–6. Close analysisof the passages in context reveal that these two verses mainlydeal with special fasting and feast days, including all thefleshly ordinances of food, drink, washings, etc. (Heb 9:10).In the Old Testament, there were many feasts and days of fasting, such as fasting on the day of atonement (Lev16:29–31, 23:27–32), fasting on the day of Purim (Est 9:31),and fasting in the fourth, fifth, seventh, and tenth month(Zech 8:19; cf. 2 Kgs 25:25; Jer 39:1, 2, 52:12, 13).

2. Looking at the two passages in context, we understand somebelievers of the early church followed legalistic practices of the Old Testament, observing days (feast and fasting days),new moons, sabbatical years, and dietary laws. Many of thesebelievers simply focused on the legalistic practices forgettingthe true substance of the gospel. For this reason, Paulexclaimed, “I am afraid I have labored over you in vain” (Gal4:11). The fact is that Galatians 4:10 and Romans 14:5–6 werenot written to refute the sabbath. We know this for at leasttwo good reasons. First, Paul himself observed the sabbathunder grace according to his custom (Acts 17:2). Second, we must remember that the sabbath controversy betweenkeeping the sabbath versus Sunday had not yet arisen duringPaul’s time, when he wrote the two epistles. The sabbathcontroversy only arose after Sunday observance becamepopular and was proclaimed by Constantine in A.D. 321,which was many years after Paul.

V.Jesus Christ And The Sabbath

Non-sabbath Sunday observers often maintain Lord Jesus abol-ished the sabbath. Therefore, we should look into the statementsand actions of Jesus on the sabbath, since he is lord of thesabbath (Mt 12:8).

A. Judah Failed to Honor the Sabbath

udah’s captivity to Babylon was due to their failure to honor thesabbath unto the Lord (2 Chr 36:17–21; Jer 17:27). After returningfrom Babylon, many Jews deeply understood that the rise and fallof their nation depended on the observance of God’s laws (Neh13:15–22). In fact, many Jews made oaths that they would keepthe sabbath from then on without fail (Neh 10:29–31).In light of this stress upon sabbath observance, rabbinical tradi-tion added many rules to the sabbath. The Mishnah codified 39different kinds of work forbidden on the sabbath. These addi-tional traditions are complicated and burdensome regulations thatbind sabbath observers to the sabbath, i.e., making man for thesabbath. In contrast, the Lord Jesus said “the sabbath was madefor man, and not man for the sabbath.” According to Jewish tradi-tion, anyone who transgressed the rules would be expelled fromthe synagogue by the rabbis.

B. Jesus Christ Observed the Sabbath

While Jesus was in the world, “he came to Nazareth, where hehad been brought up; and he went to the synagogue, as hiscustom was, on the sabbath day. And he stood up to read” (Lk 4:16).In another instance, Jesus went down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and taught the people on the sabbath (Lk 4:31).

As the Son of man, Jesus himself “ceased,” in a symbolic sense,his work on the seventh day (Jn 19:31), rested in the tomb, andresurrected on the first day of the week to continue his work of salvation (Lk 23:54–56, 24:1, 2).

C. Jesus Christ Instructed the Disciples to Keep the Sabbath

The controversy between the Lord Jesus and the Phariseesmostly concerned the legal aspect of the sabbath (Mt 12:9–14; Mk 3:1–6). The reason was not because the Lord Jesus did notobserve the sabbath, but because the method, attitude, andperspective of sabbath observance between the Lord Jesus andthe Pharisees greatly differed (cf. Jn 9:14–16).During Jesus’ time, the Jews kept the sabbath under the Mosaiclaw, in addition to the many traditional restrictions. According tothe law, prohibitions and rules were strictly enforced, includingthe following:1. No labor is allowed on the sabbath (Ex 20:10).2. No fire is to be kindled on this day (Ex 35:3).3. All should rest on this day even during plowing and harvesttime (Ex 34:21).4. Any one who profanes the sabbath shall be put to death (Ex31:12–17, 35:2; Num 15:32–36).The Lord Jesus—the Lord of the sabbath—brings us abundantgrace (Jn 1:14, 17). Jesus redeemed us from the curse of the law(Gal 4:5). Therefore, the Lord’s sabbath observance does notfollow the fleshly ordinances of the law. Under God’s grace andfavor, Jesus observed the sabbath as a free, joyful, and graciousblessing rather than a burden (cf. Gen 2:3; Ex 16:23–25; Isa 58:13).Although both kept the sabbath, the Pharisees kept it under thelaw, while the Lord Jesus kept it under grace. For this reason, theLord Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for looking upon him as a law-breaker. The Lord Jesus came to proclaim the true substance of the sabbath. Thus, Jesus set an example of sabbath observancefor his disciples, keeping the sabbath in a gracious mannerdespite constant threats and persecution from others.

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VII.Who Changed The Sabbath Day From Saturday To Sunday?

If the Lord and the disciples did not abolish the sabbath, who did?How did Sunday, often called “the Lord’s day,” come to replacethe seventh-day sabbath?

A.According to the Catholic Church, “The Church of God [i.e., theCatholic Church] has in her wisdom ordained that the celebration of the sabbath should be transferred to the Lord’s day”(Catechism of the Council of Trent, Donovan translation, 1829, p.267).

B.“It was the Catholic Church which, by the authority of JesusChrist, has transferred this rest to the Sunday in remembrance of the resurrection of our Lord. Thus the observance of Sunday bythe Protestants is a homage they pay, in spite of themselves, tothe authority of the [Catholic] church” (Mgr. Segur, Plain Talk About the Protestanism of Today, p. 213).

C.The Sunday legislation has, dated from the first Sunday edictissued by the Emperor Constantine in March, 321 B.C., beenmortified and carried on in Christendom.

D.The term “the Lord’s day” did not appear in any civil legislationconcerning Sunday until the year A.D. 387, more than two genera-tions after the first law (“Sunday,” Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge, Vol. 11, p. 147).

E.Sunday observance has been existing in Christianity side by sidewith Sunday activities regulated by the civil legislation of thesecular world.

F.“Is there no express commandment for observing the first day of the week as the sabbath, instead of the seventh day? None what-ever. Neither Christ nor his apostles, nor the first Christianscelebrated the first day of the week instead of the seventh as thesabbath” (New York Weekly Tribune, May 24, 1900).

G.Dr. Edward T. Hiscox (Baptist) commented, “There was and is acommandment to ‘keep holy the sabbath’, but that sabbath wasnot Sunday. It will, however, be readily said, and with some showof triumph, that the sabbath was transferred from the seventh tothe first day of the week.... Where can the record of such a trans-action be found? Not in November 16, 1893).

H.“It [the Roman Catholic Church] has reversed the fourthcommandment, doing away with the sabbath of God’s word, andinstituting Sunday, as a holy day” (N. Summerbell, History of theChristians, p. 418).

I.“Sunday is a Catholic institution, and its claims to observance canbe defended only on Catholic principles ... From the beginning tothe end of the Scriptures there is not a single passage thatwarrants the transference of weekly public worship from the lastday of the week to the first” (Catholic Press, Sydney, Australia,August 25, 1900).

J.“The Catholic Church ... by virtue of her divine mission, changedthe day from Saturday to Sunday” (Catholic Mirror, Baltimore,September 23, 1893).

K.“Question: Which is the sabbath day?Answer: Saturday is the sabbath day.Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because theCatholic Church in the Council of Laodicea ... transferred thesolemnity from Saturday to Sunday” (Rev. Peter Geiermann,C.S.S.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, 3rdedition, 1913, p. 50, a work which received the “apostolicblessing” of Pope Pius X, January 25, 1910).

L.“The seventh-day sabbath was ... solemnized by Christ, the apostles,and primitive Christians, till the Laodicean Council did, in amanner, quite abolish the observation of it ... The Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364) ... first settled the observation of the Lord’sday” (Prynne’s Dissertation on the Lord’s day, pp. 33, 34, 44).

M. “Question: Have you any other way of proving that theChurch [Catholic] has the power to institute festivals of precept?Answer: Has she not such power she could not have done that inwhich all modern religionists agree with her: she could not havesubstituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week,for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day of the week—achange for which there is no scriptural authority” (Rev. StevenKeenan, A Doctrinal Catechism, p. 174, New York: EdwardDunigan & Brothers, 1851).Church history gives ample evidence of the origin of Sundayobservance, “a venerated day of the sun,” which has pagan rather than biblical origins. The Catholic Church abolished the sabbath,an act that she has triumphantly declared to the world. Therefore,Christians should not assume Jesus and his disciples substitutedthe first day of the week (Sunday) for the seventh day (Saturday) just because it is a long-standing tradition. Rather, Christiansmust return to the truth and observe the true sabbath under theLord’s grace (cf. Mt 15:9; Rev 22:18, 19).

VIII.How Do We Keep The Sabbath?

So far, we have examined: how the sabbath was established byGod at creation; how it was made known to Israel before thegiving of the law; how it was included in the Ten Commandments;how it was related to the severe legalistic rules of the OldTestament; and how it was given new significance by the LordJesus, whose observation practices were handed down to theapostles. Let us now look into the Scriptures for how we shouldobserve the sabbath:

A. Put Aside All Secular Activities“If you turn back your foot from the sabbath, from doing yourpleasure on my holy day, and call the sabbath a delight and theholy day of the LORD honorable; if you honor it, not going yourown ways, or seeking your own pleasure, or talking idly...” (Isa58:13).

B. Attend Church Services/Gatherings“Six days shall work be done; but on the seventh day is a sabbathof solemn rest, a holy convocation; you shall do no work on it; it isa sabbath to the LORD in all your dwellings” (Lev 23:3).“And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up; andhe went to the synagogue, as his custom was, on the sabbath day.And he stood up to read...” (Lk 4:16).“The next sabbath almost the whole city gathered together tohear the word of God” (Acts 13:44).

C. Perform Evangelical and Charitable Works
“And they went into Capernaum; and immediately on the sabbathhe entered the synagogue and taught” (Mk 1:21).“And on the sabbath day we went outside the gate to the river-side, where we supposed there was a place of prayer; and we satdown and spoke to the women who had come together” (Acts16:13).“So it is lawful to do good on the sabbath” (Mt 12:11, 12; Mk 3:4,5).As for the time calculation of the sabbath day, it is to be kept“from evening to evening” (Lev 23:32, cf. Mk 1:21, 32). That is,from Friday evening to Saturday evening.At first glance, it may seem difficult to reconcile the different timezones around the globe. However, all we need to do is honor andkeep the sabbath according to the time and dates of the localarea. Therefore, regardless of the country where a true believerdwells, he or she can keep the sabbath according to God’scommandment, and enjoy the abundant spiritual blessings

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I beg to differ.

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.- Mat 5:17

The old covenant is between God and Israel.
It is a marriage contract of the two.
It is not invalidated by the coming of Christ, but the fulfilling of it or explaining and enlightening the law and the prophets.

Thus Jesus goes on to say:

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass , one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled . 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

And brings light to the laws:

eg

21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill ; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say , Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery : 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart

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CONTEXT.

As said, the old covenant was between God and Israel, akin to a marriage covenant. Think God teaches divorce?
The message was written to the HEBREWS telling them about the new covenant to come to them. And its not yet.
The jews are resistant to Jesus. Paul says so

Isreal set aside for the sake of the GENTILES

Romans 11
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for ; but the election hath obtained it , and the rest were blinded 8 (According as it is written , God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see , and ears that they should not hear unto this day. 9 And David saith , Let their table be made a snare , and a trap , and a stumblingblock , and a recompence unto them: 10 Let their eyes be darkened , that they may not see , and bow down their back alway. 11 I say then , Have they stumbled that they should fall ? God forbid : but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy .

TILL.............New Covenant comes to Israel

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in . 26 And so all Israel shall be saved : as it is written , There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer , and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

A fuflilment of Jeremiah 31 in the future

31 Behold, the days come , saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake , although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying , Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

A promise unbroken.......

35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar ; The LORD of hosts is his name: 36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

THEN the OLD becomes Obselte and disappears eventually replaced

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I fear for you.

You accept the True Jesus church as True? If you are not one of them, They don't accept you as True.

The Mormons have many healing testimonies as well. Do you accept them as True?

Do not chase after signs and wonders. There are many warnings in the bible about this.

13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works- 2 Cor 11

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits . Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down , and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? - Mat 7

TEST everything after the scriptures(doctrines). I dread the Christians who laugh at doctrines and theology. They are the ones who will get deceived. Worse, they lead others to be deceived.

Even Paul was tested by the Bereans

10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily , whether those things were so. - Acts 17

Dont test X........

He uses BILLIONS of years where no one sees......

But i guess that neither you nor anyone was there to verify. Just another hypothesis

Depends what ministry one is involved in.

IMO the teachers need to be trained properly in the science of biblical hermeunetics. Otheriwse you can have all sorts of mis interpretation as well as interpretation.

No

Actually i am not. Just my passion of studying the word.

Here we go again......your experience i think.

There are many suffering bros and sisters in the world. How?

http://barnabasfund.org/

Yet what did God say about suffering? That includes poverty........


Romans 5
5 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

James 1
My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;

3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.

4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.

and of course the poor Smryna chruch.

i would not be that judgemental.

But certainly in these perilous end times, the winds of treacherous doctrines are taking hold in churches. These doctrines will cause many to fall away when the testing comes.

Doctrines build on sand and not on the Rock

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Care to qualify your statement just to be clear what your are describing?

Care to elaborate further on 'another Christ'?

How's this Christ different?

i agree with you n the front bit.

And i preach as the Lord leads whether it seems a waste of time or not.

Its not my biz to convict anyone of their sins but thats the Holy Spirit's area.

Shalom