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prophetjul
post Oct 21 2014, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 21 2014, 10:47 PM)
I believe his message is based on Romans 8
26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. 27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God.
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Romans 8 does not necessitate the use of spiritual tongues. It can easily be the tongues of men.

However, Prince has shown himself to be a teacher wanting in exegesis. Acts 2 was clearly language of MEN.
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post Oct 21 2014, 10:58 PM

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In these two parables, that of the lost coin and sheep, for the coin to be lost and sheep likewise is a shameful thing.

The 10 coins is a jewellery piece worn by brides. To lose this is a shameful event. While a shepherd losing a sheep is not good.

The teachers think themselves as righteous peoples while the sinners were unrighteous before God. So they thought. Jesus was turning His listeners’ understanding of things upside down. The Pharisees saw themselves as being the beloved of God and the “sinners” as refuse. Jesus uses the Pharisees’ prejudices against them, while encouraging the sinners with one clear message. That message is this: God has a tender, personal concern (“and when he finds it, he puts it on his shoulders,” v. 5). God has a joyous love for individuals who are lost (in sin) and are found (repent). Jesus makes it clear that the Pharisees, who thought they were close to God, were actually distant and those sinners and tax collectors were the ones God was seeking after.


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post Oct 21 2014, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 21 2014, 10:56 PM)
The subject of repentance is on the coin and lost sheep.

But who is the Hero of the whole Parable?

Let me see.

1. God is the one who search
2. God is the one who left behind the 99
3. God is the one who found the lost one
4. God is the one who carried the lost one on the shoulder
5. God is the one who calls the neighbours and friends and ask them to rejoice with him (throw a party)
In all these what did the lost sheep or lost coin do in repentance?

All they did was to be consented to be found and to be carried by God. Let Him be the Saviour.

God is a gentleman, If you reject Him, He will oblige but if you consent for Him to carry you, He will.

Salvation is all about what God did as expounded by these 2 parables! And you think it's really about your obedience and your repentance that gives you Salvation?

God gave you Salvation because He is good! not because we are. What makes you think your obedience or repentance warrants it?
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This type of mis reading and interpretation oft gets you into trouble.

No way did i ever say obedience and repentance GIVES salvation. Its a RESPONSE before a HOLY GOD.
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post Oct 21 2014, 11:04 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 21 2014, 11:00 PM)
Which He explain why; sometime we can pray the wrong prayer  with underlying selfish motive in  tongues of Man.

Praying in the Spirit is better because as in that verse explains, the Spirit prays according to the Will of God. And God listens according to his will.

That is the context.
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Likewise how do you its a tongue from the Spirit of God?

i have heard people mumbling the same stuff week in week out.

And how does praying in the Spirit a KEY to a Spirit led life? Prince has lots of reasoning(one of whcih is fundamentally wrong as pointed out)
including non biblical ones. In no way has he demonstrated from scriptures that tongues is a key.
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post Oct 21 2014, 11:11 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 21 2014, 11:05 PM)
What makes you think I'm not for repentance? Seriously in all my days in this forum?

Have you ever seen me encouraging people to sin?

Is your paranoia that gives me trouble not my interpretation.
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What makes me think?

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If you're a Christian and you still come to God like a Sinner or as a sinner, confessing your sins all the time, you are blinded to the Gospel of God's grace.


Did i ever accuse of encouraging people to sin? See what i meant bout misread and mis interpret?
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post Oct 21 2014, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 21 2014, 11:06 PM)
doh.gif What did I just post Romans 8:26-27 for?
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As in answering which part?

Spirit led life? I dont see that as key.
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post Oct 21 2014, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 21 2014, 11:14 PM)
That's because you have problem acknowledging the answer to this question.

If Jesus Christ has cleansed the believer of all unrighteousness and sin, what does that makes him? Still a sinner?

You can't even open your mouth to say it.
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So are you or are you not for confessing and repenting?

What makes a sinner, a sinner?
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post Oct 21 2014, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 21 2014, 11:17 PM)
Unless you're telling me prayer is not important and isn't one of the key to a spirit filled life. Seriously!
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Didnt say prayer was not important.

Unless you cant get the jive after all i have written, blink.gif

i dont believe that praying IN TONGUES is key to a Spirit led life.

You do have a way of mis interpreting ,,,,,,,,,,really. You tend to lend extended presumptions to what i wrote lots more than you should.
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post Oct 21 2014, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 21 2014, 11:18 PM)
Just answer my question and I'll tell you.

you refuse to answer, we'll go into another merry go round. Simple.
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Actually its already answered. You dont want to see it.

SIN makes a sinner, a sinner.
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post Oct 21 2014, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 21 2014, 11:22 PM)
What does that tells you? Praying in tongues is not important?
26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. 27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God.
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Its just a another praying technique. Does not make it more important than the praying in languages understood.

Does it? Does it say that it leads to s Spirit filled life like these verse whcih are rather explicit?

3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
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post Oct 21 2014, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 21 2014, 11:23 PM)
No, that's not right.

You cannot call a person washed by the blood of Christ a sinner.

Unless....you're denying Christ' work at the cross. Is that what you're saying now?
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i can call a person who sins, a sinner. Thats described by scriptures.
It does not negate the work of Christ on the cross.

Similarly just because half the world does not accept Christ negate


For God so loved THE WORLD



2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD.



Does that mean since Jesus did that, EVERYONE is saved?
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post Oct 21 2014, 11:39 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 21 2014, 11:34 PM)
I would go as far to say it's better to pray in the spirit. How big you want me to highlight this? Like Paul's big red letter?
26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. 27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God.

Praying in tongues is being lead by the spirit. Spirit Lead Life.

Does it makes you less of a Christian? No.
Does it mean you can't pray in normal language? No.

Why? Do you feel inferior because of this? No. You have that gifting too.
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First i dont feel inferior at all.

Spirit led life is more than praying in tongues or praying for the matter. Vice versa, is praying in human language being led by the Spirit?
When we pray, we are spiritually connecting to God irrespective of the language.

So NO, i dont believe praying IN TONGUES is necessary for a Spirit led life
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post Oct 21 2014, 11:41 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 21 2014, 11:38 PM)
Not for the believer it's not.

Of course not, they have to accept Christ but if they do, God credit their Faith as Righteousness, so how can you call a born again believer a sinner anymore?
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So it does NOT negate scriptures. Thats what i am asking about your insinuations.

Can a born again believer sin?


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post Oct 21 2014, 11:48 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 21 2014, 11:45 PM)
I believe it helps. And from experiences it has. I pray a lot in my normal languages but the dimension of the spirit is different.

This is something you cannot deny.
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see the differnce? i dont believe anything due to experiences. i believe only what God's word tells me, no more, no less.

On Romans 8

Romans 8:26 teaches us, “In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express.” Two key points make it highly unlikely that Romans 8:26 is referring to tongues as a prayer language. First, Romans 8:26 states that it is the Spirit who “groans,” not believers. Second, Romans 8:26 states that the “groans” of the Spirit “cannot be expressed.” The very essence of speaking in tongues is uttering words.

On uselfulness of uninterpreted tongues......not much


What, then, is praying in tongues, and how is it different than speaking in tongues? First Corinthians 14:13-17 indicates that praying in tongues is also to be interpreted. As a result, it seems that praying in tongues was offering a prayer to God. This prayer would minister to someone who spoke that language, but would also need to be interpreted so that the entire body could be edified.

This interpretation does not agree with those who view praying in tongues as a prayer language. This alternate understanding can be summarized as follows: praying in tongues is a personal prayer language between a believer and God (1 Corinthians 13:1) that a believer uses to edify himself (1 Corinthians 14:4). This interpretation is unbiblical for the following reasons: 1) How could praying in tongues be a private prayer language if it is to be interpreted (1 Corinthians 14:13-17)? 2) How could praying in tongues be for self-edification when Scripture says that the spiritual gifts are for the edification of the church, not the self (1 Corinthians 12:7). 3) How can praying in tongues be a private prayer language if the gift of tongues is a “sign to unbelievers” (1 Corinthians 14:22)? 4) The Bible makes it clear that not everyone possesses the gift of tongues (1 Corinthians 12:11, 28-30). How could tongues be a gift for self-edification if not every believer can possess it? Do we not all need to be edified?

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/praying-in-ton...l#ixzz3GnMZ8wkw

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post Oct 22 2014, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 22 2014, 12:02 AM)
If it does not negate the work of Christ, then He is eternally saved by Grace, through his Faith.

His repentance is to believe in this, everyday even if he sins. His Salvation is from God as a gift.

His righteousness is the result of 1 Man's obedience Christ, not his.
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Right on.

Repentance is an act of faith, a response of a sinner before a Holy God.
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post Oct 22 2014, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 22 2014, 12:06 AM)
If you believe the word of God is confined just to the word of God and does not manifest in the realities of Life, you are living the life of a powerless Salvation. That is what you're believing. You're just echoing what the writer writes. You believe in him more than what scripture says. The Bible is full of accounts of miracles.

Denying that it's only valid during Jesus days and the Apostles days is unwarranted. The Bible never conclude as such. Only Sceptic does. Sceptic Christians who don't believe like you.

The Bible is never about unbelieve but BELIEVING! disbelieving Heart towards God is a SIN, the same when you deny Him of his miracles.

And you question my miracle experiences and have the audacity to say it's not authentic? Who do you think you are? I have enough of your insults.
You can blaspheme me, that's alright, Blaspheme the HS for his work in my life? Consider your own ways whether it's pleasing In God's sight, you are encouraging unbelief, division and arguments.

Praying in tongues is between you and God. Who gives you the idea to take things out of context, calling in other believers the need for interpretation, it shows that you CLEARLY don't understand this portion.

1 Corinthians 14

6 Now, brothers and sisters, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you,.....

What does If I come to you means? Care to think about that for just 3 minutes? WHAT DOES THAT TELLS YOU?
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If you think you have exclusive Truth, you are in trouble. i believe God uses teachers to help us aling the way of understanding of the Gospels.

Are you fluent in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek?

Where did i say that the word is confined to the pages of the scriptural script?
I am a manifestation of God's Truth, a sinner who has been saved by Grace through the death of Jesus Christ.

What you are on is, signs and wonders. Well, i am not moved by sight but by faith in God's words.
God's words brings faith, not signs and wonders. Ask the Israelites in the desert!
God's written words keep me straight headed.

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post Oct 22 2014, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 22 2014, 12:30 AM)
Only IF He rejects Christ as the messiah on purpose, going back to the Law (Galatians 5:4 & Hebrews 10:26) problem is, does he even understand what that means?

It really boils down to how the Gospel is presented.
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He could completely apostasies, rejecting God with going back to Law. You are too obsessed with the Law in contrast to grace.

Some of my friend have given up the faith along the way. Thats why Paul asked us to work out our salvation with fear and trembling.
Its That serious.
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post Oct 22 2014, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 22 2014, 12:35 AM)
No Wrong.

This is the accurate definition according to scripture, the rest is the following of the base of this definition.

Romans 5:19 - For just as through the disobedience of the one man (Adam) the many were made sinners,

and in the same breath.

so also through the obedience of the one man (Christ) the many will be made righteous.

Adam made us sinners
Christ makes us righteous

This is what I've been standing on all these while.

Before you accept Christ, you are a sinner because of Adam's disobedience not because you sin so also when you accept Christ you are righteous because of Christ obedience not because you obey.

The things if God is very consistent. If you say Jesus is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow then this is also very true.

You were locked into sin by Adam's Sin, no matter how much good you do, you cannot be righteous and get out of the status of a sinner in the same manner when you're set free by Christ, no matter what you do, you cannot undo your status as Righteous as long as your Faith holds.

If Salvation is given to you as a Gift, something you have never earned anyway, what makes you think you can through the same concept of effort, lose your Salvation when you have never earned it in the first place? (Wages and Gift as in Romans 4:4)

Not unless you are suggesting you got your Salvation because you repented and you lose your Salvation because you disobeyed God.

That clearly makes your Salvation becomes your effort. You contradict the meaning of Grace vs Works! You are also in essence pushing away What Christ did for you at the cross. You have never understood what the work of Christ is. You think you know but when you echoed Believers can change back into a sinner, you are in error of scripture.

The Bible is very clear! If Grace it is not of works and if it's work, it is no longer grace.

YOU ARE TRYING TO MIX BOTH TOGETHER.

The Bible will have no such thing. Old Wine cannot be poured into New Wine Skin, it will burst.

This is scripture, you cannot deny.

One more thing. YOU CAN'T EVEN OPEN YOUR DAMN MOUTH and admit Jesus has cleansed the believers and made Him Righteous through his blood.
What's wrong with you? Devil got your tongue?

Satan wants people to remain in sin and keep on acknowledging he is a sinner all the time so that they remain bound to eternal condemnation.
God wants his people to be free from sin and keep on acknowledging the work of Christ is FINISHED and that he is righteous in Christ to eternal life.


I guess we all now know which camp you belong to seeing that you refuse to acknowledge what Christ did.
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You are describing positional sinfulness and righteousness with Christ and Adam.

A sinner still needs to come in repentance. Unless you are a universalist and takes this verse literally as umbrella righteousness

2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD.


without coming in repentance.

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One more thing. YOU CAN'T EVEN OPEN YOUR DAMN MOUTH and admit Jesus has cleansed the believers and made Him Righteous through his blood.
What's wrong with you? Devil got your tongue?


Are you swearing at me now?



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post Oct 28 2014, 08:35 AM

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Oct 27 2014, 04:55 PM)
hahaha... but i still post things under GOD's grace of course... like usual lah... biggrin.gif

GOD's can turn things. Actually, by GOD's grace, I have some promotion because i responded correctly in regard to my migraine thumbup.gif
1. I didn't complain to GOD.
2. I thank GOD that HE is in control.
3. I do ask people to pray for me (this is a habbit lahh... not to demonstrate that i am humble... since day 1 i got problem i ask people to pray if i remember to ask lol).
4. I break any thing that does not come from Heavenly father.
5. I thanked GOD by HIS stripes i am healed.

still sound arrogant right ? how to differentiate between arrogant and testimonial in this case ? brows.gif
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Cut out the 'I's.

Maybe then you will sound a bit more humble. laugh.gif

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