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prophetjul
post Aug 27 2014, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Aug 27 2014, 09:52 PM)
Appears to be quite common. My grandfather died 8 years ago also because of colon cancer. Grandma didn't though. She had a blood clot instead.
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Lots of chinese get colon cancer because of diet.
Our chinese diet lack fibre and lots of very bad carbs.
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post Aug 27 2014, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(14-9-2015 @ Aug 27 2014, 10:08 PM)
May God Bless her Soul  sad.gif
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No need. She is already blessed. She is with the Lord already. biggrin.gif
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post Aug 27 2014, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(14-9-2015 @ Aug 27 2014, 10:25 PM)
good for you! may God save your entire household too  smile.gif
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They are indeed!

My whole household serves the Living God!
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post Sep 1 2014, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(josephlau7966 @ Aug 29 2014, 04:41 PM)
I am not the kind of Christian who shouts "Lord' always....just a normal Christian struggling with sin...and somehow on and off feel tired to battle with sin.... icon_question.gif
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You are NORMAL. We are always struggling to fight our old man, our flesh.
However, God is for us.
Remember that fighting sin is not a process, BUT a relationship with the Almighty God.
Sing His Praise!


Psalms 32

1 Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven , whose sin is covered . 2 Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile. 3 When I kept silence , my bones waxed old through my roaring all the day long. 4 For day and night thy hand was heavy upon me: my moisture is turned into the drought of summer. Selah. 5 I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid . I said , I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah. 6 For this shall every one that is godly pray unto thee in a time when thou mayest be found : surely in the floods of great waters they shall not come nigh unto him. 7 Thou art my hiding place; thou shalt preserve me from trouble; thou shalt compass me about with songs of deliverance. Selah. 8 I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go : I will guide thee with mine eye. 9 Be ye not as the horse, or as the mule, which have no understanding : whose mouth must be held in with bit and bridle, lest they come near unto thee. 10 Many sorrows shall be to the wicked: but he that trusteth in the LORD, mercy shall compass him about. 11 Be glad in the LORD, and rejoice , ye righteous: and shout for joy, all ye that are upright in heart.

Psalms 57

1 Be merciful unto me, O God, be merciful unto me: for my soul trusteth in thee: yea, in the shadow of thy wings will I make my refuge , until these calamities be overpast . 2 I will cry unto God most high; unto God that performeth all things for me. 3 He shall send from heaven, and save me from the reproach of him that would swallow me up . Selah. God shall send forth his mercy and his truth. 4 My soul is among lions: and I lie even among them that are set on fire , even the sons of men, whose teeth are spears and arrows, and their tongue a sharp sword. 5 Be thou exalted , O God, above the heavens; let thy glory be above all the earth. 6 They have prepared a net for my steps; my soul is bowed down : they have digged a pit before me, into the midst whereof they are fallen themselves. Selah. 7 My heart is fixed , O God, my heart is fixed : I will sing and give praise . 8 Awake up , my glory; awake , psaltery and harp: I myself will awake early. 9 I will praise thee, O Lord, among the people: I will sing unto thee among the nations. 10 For thy mercy is great unto the heavens, and thy truth unto the clouds. 11 Be thou exalted , O God, above the heavens: let thy glory be above all the earth.
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post Sep 3 2014, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Sep 3 2014, 11:21 AM)
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Mark your Calendar Oct 6.

Get ready!  rclxm9.gif
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I hope we don't have to pay for entry to worship in heaven.
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post Sep 4 2014, 08:45 AM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Sep 3 2014, 09:28 PM)
any concert event held at grace convention center need to pay one and furthermore the seating that you get to sit not nice at all near to stage all the camera equipment and lighting stuff blocking the view
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I cant comprehend children of the Lord having to pay to worship or is this a concert labelled 'Christian'?
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post Sep 4 2014, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(iwubpreve @ Sep 4 2014, 09:16 AM)
I think those fee is just for reimburse the rental and expenses arise due to those events. not for profitable purpose?
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'Christian' or gospel music is VERY profitable.

I organise seminars where the local sponsors pay for the loose ends if there is a loss. IF this is worship, they should go for local sponsors and free will offering.
Afterall the venue is owned by a church? Why ask for upfront payment for tickets? Sounds like a profitable concert.

If its not profit, any profits should be declared for accountability and donated to pre planned organisations. That's my opinion.


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post Sep 4 2014, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Sep 4 2014, 09:59 AM)
is there any seating classes, such as VIP, VVIP, Class 1, Class 2, Class 3 those things ?
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Yes.

That's why it feels like a secular concert.


. Cost : SILVER - RM80 | GOLD - RM100 | PLATINUM - RM300.


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post Sep 4 2014, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Sep 4 2014, 11:41 AM)
IMO nothing wrong for them to earn a living from ministry. I know Israel Houghton for some time now.

There are many Christians Artists earning from sales of their Music. This is their rice bowl. But most Christians earn their money from the secular corporate world, working.
Music Ministry is also work. I don't see why this is okay and the next is not.

I've nothing against Christians being rich. My heart is free from this jealousy.  biggrin.gif

All resources belongs to God anyway.
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I think the issue is secular and 'christian'.

In the Christian circle, you can be manipulated to pay thinking its for God.
but there are many unscrupulous people who make merchandise of the sheep.

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ISRAEL HOUGHTON & NEW BREED is a movement created for those who believe that worship and justice go hand in hand. We exist to reflect the heart of God and His love for the nations, the poor, the lost, and the forgotten. “We are not defined by the petty price tag mentalities of society. Our inheritance lies far beyond eternity. There are no limits when it comes to our destiny. As the deep goes deeper we find our name. We are New Breed”…. Are you?

ISRAEL HOUGHTON & NEW BREED have achieved a synthesis of music and message that is electrifying and activating audiences inside and outside of traditional church walls. Most of their albums have been recorded before live audiences to capture their infectious energy. Leader, singer, songwriter and multi-instrumentalist Israel Houghton has seen his compositions become integral components for progressive now-generation churches. Flanked by voices filled with joy, purpose and conviction singing over galvanizing arrangements of music with African, Middle Eastern and South American slants, Israel and New Breed have swiftly amassed a legion of followers that crosses generational and cultural lines. And as barriers are blasted away, the sprawling cutting-edge unit has been fittingly graced with two Gold-selling albums, seven Dove Awards, two Stellar Awards, a Soul Train Award, seven Grammy® Award nominations, and four Grammy® Awards. The most recent being a 2011 Grammy® for Best Pop/Contemporary Gospel Album (Love God.Love People.)


I hope they amassed them and point them to Jesus. AND open the doors for the POOR.

Otherwise they are rather secular, or no better.
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post Sep 4 2014, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(iwubpreve @ Sep 4 2014, 12:39 PM)
for them as long as they are not greed and they also give tenth of their earning to god, it should be fine.

for us, should view that they serve god too. so deserve an earning better than us as their job are noble, saving the soul unlike we work for a living biggrin.gif
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Why do you call them 'noble'? How do you know they save souls? In fact who saves? god or men?

A disciple is a disciple. They all bleed.
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post Sep 4 2014, 01:09 PM

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Actually I have to question if a Christian would say this


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Lakewood Church Leader Israel Houghton Says Joel Osteen Is 'Real Deal'




A Real Deal who wont say that Jesus is the only way. You make your judgements...........hmmmmmmmm



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On Larry King Live, the following very disturbing conversation occurred with Larry King and Joel Osteen:


KING: What if you're Jewish or Muslim, you don't accept Christ at all?

OSTEEN: You know, I'm very careful about saying who would and wouldn't go to heaven. I don't know ...

At this point, even Larry King appears surprised by Osteen’s answer. Then Larry tosses Osteen a "soft-ball" to explain his previous answer. And again Osteen openly denies that Jesus Christ is the ONLY way of salvation.


KING: If you believe you have to believe in Christ? They're wrong, aren't they?

OSTEEN: Well, I don't know if I believe they're wrong. I believe here's what the Bible teaches and from the Christian faith this is what I believe. But I just think that only God will judge a person's heart. I spent a lot of time in India with my father. I don't know all about their religion. But I know they love God. And I don't know. I've seen their sincerity. So I don't know. I know for me, and what the Bible teaches, I want to have a relationship with Jesus.

Again Osteen denies the redemptive work of the Lord Jesus Christ. Notice, he praises the pagan, false-religion of India as "I know they love God." Unbelievable. . .

I’m sure some reading this are thinking, "Well, maybe Larry caught Joel Osteen flat footed. Maybe Osteen wasn’t prepared." If Osteen only had been given another chance to testify of the redemptive work of the Lord Jesus Christ, he’d get it straightened out.

Osteen did get another chance. . .

After Larry King opened the phone lines, a concerned Christian asks Joel to clarify his previous statement (which we just viewed). Again Osteen could easily clear this up.


CALLER: Hello, Larry. You're the best, and thank you, Joe -- Joel -- for your positive messages and your book. I'm wondering, though, why you side-stepped Larry's earlier question about how we get to heaven? The Bible clearly tells us that Jesus is the way, the truth and the light and the only way to the father is through him. That's not really a message of condemnation but of truth.

OSTEEN: Yes, I would agree with her. I believe that. . .

KING: So then a Jew is not going to heaven?

OSTEEN: No. Here's my thing, Larry, is I can't judge somebody's heart. You know? Only God can look at somebody's heart, and so -- I don't know. To me, it's not my business to say, you know, this one is or this one isn't. I just say, here's what the Bible teaches and I'm going to put my faith in Christ. And I just I think it's wrong when you go around saying, you're saying you're not going, you're not going, you're not going, because it's not exactly my way. I'm just...

KING: But you believe your way.

OSTEEN: I believe my way. I believe my way with all my heart.

KING: But for someone who doesn't share it is wrong, isn't he?

OSTEEN: Well, yes. Well, I don't know if I look at it like that. I would present my way, but I'm just going to let God be the judge of that. I don't know. I don't know.

KING: So you make no judgment on anyone?

OSTEEN: No. But I...

And here Larry really tosses Joel a soft-ball. How about a God-defying atheist? And again, Osteen will not confess that Jesus Christ is the ONLY way of salvation.


KING: What about atheists?

OSTEEN: You know what, I'm going to let someone -- I'm going to let God be the judge of who goes to heaven and hell. I just -- again, I present the truth, and I say it every week. You know, I believe it's a relationship with Jesus. But you know what? I'm not going to go around telling everybody else if they don't want to believe that that's going to be their choice. God's got to look at your own heart. God's got to look at your heart, and only God knows that.

http://www.av1611.org/osteen.html
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post Sep 4 2014, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Sep 4 2014, 03:43 PM)
Definitely impacting people for Christ. That I can vouch.

Their music are not only good but also anointed.

I've picked up some pointers on how to lead P&W from Him and others as well.

We got to take life easy. If we are so concern ohmygosh what they do with the money, they're buying bmws oh noes.
We won't be at peace, our peace will be affected by every little circumstances.

How I view this from Christ POV, mind our own business. Don't judgebiggrin.gif
I know that God is for prospering his children not against it.
From that basis, it should set our heart at ease.
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Satan likes this.

If no one from the Christian circle discerns and judges what each 'Christian' teacher teaches imagine what will happen?

Let's not get into prosperity teachings again......ask the people of Smryna
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post Sep 4 2014, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Sep 4 2014, 08:04 PM)
Why should ask people of Smryna ? they all dead already. not exist today. Need to be relevant lahh... The idea is simple: Anything that not with Christ is against Christ.
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You are right. Anything that is not with Christ is against Christ.

Christ commended the poor of the church in Smryna

8 "To the angel of the church in Smyrna write: These are the words of him who is the First and the Last, who died and came to life again. 9 I know your afflictions and your poverty--yet you are rich! I know the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan. 10 Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life. 11 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt at all by the second death.

Is Christ dead that you should not listen?

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post Sep 4 2014, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Sep 4 2014, 08:37 PM)
ok, look here, after the concert end sales of CD's or dvds of israel haughton begin so with T-shirts sales.........

and hey look at the concert coming next year by planet shakers their workshop including priority seating for night rally concert is is costing about 80 MYR it is understandable coz you are provided with 1 lunch meal set and workbook which is fair also the speaker fees

but generally speaking any concert held at grace convention is expensive.........they are raking money already here why can't you lower down the tickets price so more people can join?

and also you need to pay parking in their parking area as well it's not cheap either
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It seems: Its all about the money, money, money..............
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QUOTE(de1929 @ Sep 4 2014, 09:54 PM)
Christ is not dead, but you should not mislead Christian here with your theology... Because i can complain you to Jesus Christ, who is not dead.

I believe HE will give more favor to people that put malaysia for Jesus first, compare to other theology.
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Without theology, how would you know Jesus?

Eternal life is knowing Him.

There is no misleading. Are you saying that the commendation that Jesus gave to the church in Smryna is useless as scripture?

Doesnt matter what you believe. Without theology, your faith is based on sinking sand
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post Sep 4 2014, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Sep 4 2014, 10:15 PM)
what's argument here? About Jesus is dead or alive? About theology?

What about using the scripture instead?
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Exactly.....scripture........but some Christians are not keen on having theology.

Theology is the study of God through the use of scriptures.

Its really about UW's statement that God wants us to be prosperous. i sad nay. look at the poor church of Smryna. God commended them in their poverty.
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post Sep 5 2014, 07:39 AM

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QUOTE(kernan.rio @ Sep 4 2014, 10:54 PM)
You cannot prove the Bible by quoting the Bible. It's called circular reasoning.
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First all, we are not proving the bible. We are using to the bible to guide us.

Next, the bible is not a single book. Its made up of at least 66 writings written by different writers in different time periods at different locations pointing/prophesising to a common messiah who will come through the nation of Israel
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post Sep 5 2014, 07:55 AM

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"To avoid the seduction that is at the heart of apostasy, we must be able to distinguish the voice of Christ through His word from the confusing mixture of truth and error that is spoken in His name,"

"Those who would escape the growing seduction must get back to the Bible and know what they believe and why, rather than succumbing to the temptation of accepting facile answers provided by 'experts,'"

- Dave Hunt
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post Sep 5 2014, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Sep 5 2014, 12:43 PM)
Keep hurting body of Christ and confirm Christ will not be happy. Don't damage yourself. Repent !
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Why don't you discuss proper?

instead on going ad hominen?
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post Sep 5 2014, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(pehkay @ Sep 5 2014, 02:26 PM)
Well,

Smyrna refers (in Revelation) to the an actual suffering church in Asia minor, which at that time, under the suffering of persecution (2:8-11). The word Smyrna in Greek means “myrrh,” and myrrh in figure signifies suffering.

This church prophetically represents the second stage of the course of the church from the latter part of the first century to the time that Constantine became emperor. History tells us that during this period the Roman Empire persecuted the church.

Fox’s Book of Martyrs contains many stories of their suffering under persecution. One account is the story of Polycarp, an elderly brother. When arrested by the authorities and urged to renounce Christ, he answered, “Eighty and six years have I served Him, and He never once wronged me; how then shall I blaspheme my King, who has saved me?” The persecution by the Roman Empire reached such an extent that the authority of the city of Rome asked the Caesar not to kill any more Christians lest all the citizens of that city be cut off. By this he meant that the more they killed the Christians, the more others were becoming Christians.
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Not just persecuted church. It was dirt poor materially as well.

yet Jesus called them rich.

8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write ; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive ; 9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich)

The word poverty here in greek is Ptocheia which means beggars, the condition of one destitute of riches and abundance.

Goes to show the gospel of Wealth is false.

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