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prophetjul
post Sep 29 2014, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Sep 29 2014, 09:48 PM)
Has anyone come to you and testify that because of your posting, they are very much encouraged in the Lord.

Ask yourself that.

If Not, then you might as well reconsider if what you're doing is of the Holy Spirit or just yourself.
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Yes. there were in PMes. Glory to God. No public accolades needed.

THAT which you have put up is not a test. The test is by the scriptures. Your suggestion counts for naught.
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post Sep 29 2014, 10:04 PM

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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Sep 29 2014, 10:01 PM)
It is better to 'settle' among each other in PM?
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Aye

i better stop here.

SOMEone may come back and say o post too much and constitutes bashing. laugh.gif
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post Sep 29 2014, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Sep 29 2014, 10:10 PM)
Told you, I find you spiritually immature in the way you handle Christians. In the sense that You're so fixated on False Prophet Doctrine, you think that is the only bona-fide verse that's going to bring people to repentance.

No it's not a sin to warn the Church of False Doctrine. That is needed of course but it doesn't come through the way of spreading fear or paranoia.

If you allow me to share with an older brother.............It comes through Knowing God, that you will know if there's something that does't add up or match, you don't need people screaming False prophet.

And Knowing God of Love and Grace well will involve spending time with Him and the way you handle people is the testimony whether you really know God personally or not, that is IN the scripture.

if you read carefully, The Bible never really forbid if people want to speak in tongues. The key verse is in verse 6 of 1 Corinthians 14. I don't think there's yet a Christian who would speak in tongue directly to another Brother during worship.
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you are poor at reading what i am here for.
You ministry iis different from mine. You cant stereotype yours to mine, expecting me to act like you! Talk about maturity.

Mine is to warn and turn God's people away from itching doctrnes. Yours is different.

1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove , rebuke , exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables

1 Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying , 2 Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman : 3 If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people; 4 Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning ; if the sword come , and take him away , his blood shall be upon his own head. 5 He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning ; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul. 6 But if the watchman see the sword come , and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned ; if the sword come , and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand. 7 So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.

i agree that at the end of it is KNOWING Him. However not everyone know Him.
Worse you have false teachers waxing worse and worse and many will fall. i have seen many fall running after the signs and wonders.
Even Israel fell after so much supernatural acts of God.

1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of . 3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not
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post Sep 29 2014, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Sep 29 2014, 10:13 PM)
doh.gif If you're so adamant that He is really Lucifer, I've got nothing more to say to you about this.

False Teacher in the Bible context are those who deny Jesus is Lord, that is He is the Messiah, He was crucified and Rose again and they vehemently Reject God's Grace, insisting on going back to the Law or Judaism.

You won't find anything much that out of those context.
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Do you agree i was FALSEly accused of something i did not do?

THAT is a type of false teacher. There are many other types. Even Paul recognises another Jesus, or using His name

3 But I fear , lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached , or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received , or another gospel, which ye have not accepted , ye might well bear with him

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post Sep 29 2014, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Sep 29 2014, 10:29 PM)
In this case, maybe we can share to help them. But not sure if they are open for it or not  hmm.gif
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Sharing is helping. However some things needs to be out here.

we arent angels. Church have hard issues. If we cant discuss in maturity we should look at ourelves.
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post Sep 29 2014, 10:46 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Sep 29 2014, 10:38 PM)
Yes that is what I meant. Paul's context of a different Jesus are those that insist on going back to the Law of the Old Testament, rejecting Him as the Messiah.

Those of the circumcise and uncircumcised. The Boasting of Those of the Jewish descendant, etc.
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Not just that about law and grace. There is also preaching of cheap grace.

There is the Islam Jesus. Mormon Jesus.

Adding to the gospel. Wealth and Health doctrines. Israel Replacement theology. Progressive revelation.
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post Sep 30 2014, 09:09 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Sep 29 2014, 10:54 PM)
Yes Yes Black Jesus and Buddhist Jesus.
Really depends on what you mean by cheap grace and wealth and health doctrine.

I find that the criticism against Grace, Wealth and Health can be quite far fetch at times.
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The extremes of the grace doctrine is you dont have to repent anymore for your future sins. Afterall they are already forgiven. Sin is not preached but more preaching on the well being of the sheep rather than knowing God more. Man needs focussed.

Extremes of health and wealth: You can speak them into being like gods. Part of word faith doctrines.
They are part and parcel of the gospel. If you dont have them, something must be wrong with you. Some extremes on health include no medicine, no doctors.
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post Sep 30 2014, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Sep 29 2014, 11:15 PM)
i personally think prophetjul did nothing wrong although he being an atheist...........he accept what we are talking about and he is not like others who keep on bashing peoples here
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i am a disciple of Jesus of Nazareth. What made you think i am an atheist? laugh.gif
i have been debating them in the RWI religion thread for manyayears.
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post Oct 9 2014, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Oct 9 2014, 11:24 AM)
They both Christian? I tot Christian shouldn't divorce unless  for marital unfaithfulness
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You are right.

Its a grievous sin to divorce and re-marry.


A major problem with the world's perception of marriage is that of the Hollywood marriage, the happily ever after type.
Christians alike has been brain washed by Hollywood about love and marriage.

In the scripture, God shows us about the Godly covenant of marriage.

In the beginning..........God ordained marriage.....that a man should leave his father and mother to become ONE with his wife.
In ancient jewish marriages, they are arranged marriages.

One does not fall in love.
One learns how to nurture love with your partner.

Scripture shows how God and His marriage covenant with Israel runs on in spite of Israel's adulterous relationships and disobedience.
God never gives her up. Till this day waits for her.


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post Oct 9 2014, 03:40 PM

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QUOTE(General Fahmy @ Oct 9 2014, 03:15 PM)
Its not a sin to divorce and remarry, if the other partner was caught red handed having an affair with another person.
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Lk 16
18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.
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post Oct 9 2014, 10:50 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 9 2014, 07:41 PM)
I think what is important is not to get too caught up following whose teaching as correct resulting in division in the Church.

Christ Jesus should be the centre of our attention.

There is no one theologian who has perfect knowledge of God.

For example people have accepted John McArthur as an excellent theologian but He doesn't believe in Healing.

Billy Graham is another super Evangelist but people have began to criticize him as of the devil at one point.

People are people, Man views of things are flawed in many ways.

What's important is that you guys read your Bible everyday, asking the Holy Spirit for revelation of his word and practise your Christianity walking in love.

Any teaching that points to Christ and Glorify his Finished Work is legitimate.

If there's some teaching you feel uncomfortable with, check and see it occurs in the Bible. God will never contradict his word.
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Think you may have mistaken John MacArthur on his take on healing


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Has God promised to heal everybody who has faith? He doesn't promise He'll always heal, but I think the Christian can look to heaven for healing. Now I want to turn the table a little bit as I close in the next couple of minutes. I think that we can go to the Lord for healing. I think we can pray to Him for deliverance from disease, and I do believe there are times when God touches us. Sometimes He heals through medicine, sometimes He heals through surgery, sometimes He heals through natural process working in the body. The body is an amazing self-healing thing, sometimes He may just heal supernaturally because it's His will, and we can look to heaven for that. We can cry out to God in our sickness and ask for His healing, and I would suggest that there are three reasons why we could expect that God might heal.

One, He might heal because of His person. You remember his Old Testament name? That wonderful name, it's really Yahweh Rapecca, the Lord that Heals, God heals because of His person. "I the Lord am your healer," He told the Israelites. The very fact that when Jesus came into the world He could have done a lot of different miracles. I mean if He wanted to convince people about His Messiahship He could have just flown around, and He could have said, "See, I can do this, and who else can do this?" Or He could have jumped a building at a single bound, or flown faster than a speeding bullet, or He could have put on a Superman show and everybody would have been in awe of that. But why did he choose to heal people? Because He was demonstrating His compassion, and a compassionate God has a heart to heal, and I think we've experienced that at times in our life; God raises up someone from sickness.

Secondly, I think God heals because of His promise. He says, "Whatever we ask in His name, believing and according to His will, He will do it," and there must be times when He'll do that. There certainly is a description in James 5 of a broken, shattered, devastated person, who goes in for prayer. The elders gather around that individual and while the pain of that situation is spiritual and has tremendous physical ramifications, and through prayer that person is restored. The effectual fervent prayer avails much. If in God's will He has designed that He'll do that because of His promise.

Thirdly, God heals because that's His pattern. It is true that in the atonement God bore our diseases, Matthew 8 says it. Matthew 8 says, "He Himself took our infirmities, and carried away our diseases." Now we've already discussed 1 Peter 2:24 and I won't do it again; it doesn't mean that healing for every sickness is in the atonement for now, but healing for every sickness is in the atonement for some day, isn't it? Someday He'll remove all of those diseases. Ultimately, eternally, we'll be delivered from sickness and infirmity. It may just be that He would chose because of that pattern of providing a salvation that ultimately delivers us from bodily infirmity when we get a glorified body, that maybe He'll give us a taste of Glory Divine.

God may heal. That poses the final question, should a Christian go to the doctor? We come all the way back to HobartFreeman again. We would never advocate such idiocy. You say, "Well does the Bible say anything about this?" Sure, read Isaiah 38, not now. I knew you'd do that; your heads just go right down, that's good, Pavlov's dogs, just instant response. That's not derogatory by the way, that's trained response. But anyway, in Isaiah 38, King Hezekiah was deathly ill, and you remember the king was crying, and he was crying tears, and then he was crying to the Lord, and God answered his request and He says this, "Let them take a cake of figs and apply it to the boil, that he may recover." Isn't that good? That's what we used to call a poultice. Right? Now God is saying, "Do the medical thing." In Matthew 9:12, Jesus confirmed the same idea when He said this, "It's not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick." So the Lord has given us that instruction also.

Now in closing, I simply say, I want to reiterate that I believe God can heal, God can do anything He wants to do. I do not believe the gift of healing is for today because it was to authenticate the Biblical message and messenger. That is in place; it needs no more authentication then the authentication given to it by the Spirit of God to the heart of the reader, but I do believe that God may in His grace chose to heal, and we have every right to pray for that, at the same time seek the finest medical help that we can because the Lord desires us to do that as well.

http://www.gty.org/resources/sermons/90-60...-god-still-heal

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post Oct 10 2014, 09:04 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 9 2014, 11:49 PM)
No Mistake. I don't agree with what he says about Healing is not for today.

To me it's contradicting what He's not sure of.

Yes God I believe you can heal but I don't believe you will heal now, maybe you might heal or maybe not.

Honestly I very pantang with this type of belief.

But then again Faith is by God's grace, I cannot enforce my Faith unto others and vice verse, neither can His unto mine.

but my Point still stand. Don't be so hook up on following what this theologian says or that theologian says, we are to follow no one but Jesus.

And we all have this self responsibility to read the Bible.

And IMO that is no excuse.
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i believe thats not what he is saying.

Have you read?


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Has God promised to heal everybody who has faith? He doesn't promise He'll always heal, but I think the Christian can look to heaven for healing. Now I want to turn the table a little bit as I close in the next couple of minutes. I think that we can go to the Lord for healing. I think we can pray to Him for deliverance from disease, and I do believe there are times when God touches us. Sometimes He heals through medicine, sometimes He heals through surgery, sometimes He heals through natural process working in the body. The body is an amazing self-healing thing, sometimes He may just heal supernaturally because it's His will, and we can look to heaven for that. We can cry out to God in our sickness and ask for His healing, and I would suggest that there are three reasons why we could expect that God might heal.


Let me ask you of your position to be clear.

Do you believe that God will heal all His children who has faith? Think about sovereignty of God.

How do you follow Jesus? By what you feel or by what He wrote in His word?
Surely we follow Jesus through His word.

And how do you interpret His word? Sometimes we need theologians and teachers. We cannot interpret everything ourselves and we dont know everything about God's will.

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post Oct 10 2014, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 10 2014, 10:06 AM)
I see nothing wrong with shouting the name of Jesus multiple times,
Does God forbid anyone from calling on our Lord Jesus? Whether the tone is loud or soft or how many times, to me that is immaterial.

There are testimonies of people calling out his name loud, and was saved from trouble. There's this family where the car veered off from the main road and was plunging down, do you
think the people in there have the time to recite the prayer "Oh lord of Heaven and of Earth, hallowth be thy name......" No. They screamed the name of Jesus and was miraculously saved by God's angels. The Car descended but landed and the passenger life was spared.

Not everything about Nee is wrong. If you feel uncomfortable with what you think is wrong then just ignore that part. You cannot say Nee is not a Christian. He was persecuted on his life for spreading the gospel for the Lord's kingdom.

I think The reason why he's not replying to you is because you're being very hard on him. Just go easy and talk casually like how I did. 
Sure, no problem.
Yes I believe God is more than willing to Heal. Yes God is sovereign but God is also my Abba. My Heavenly Father who loves me as the apple of his eye.

Such is my Faith, towards the Lord. And I believe in his word;

2 Corinthians 1:20 - For no matter how many promises God has made, they are "Yes" in Christ. And so through him the "Amen" is spoken by us to the glory of God.

Yes God can use medicine and Science to heal us and he can also Heal on the spot or slowly. That is me seeing Him being sovereign. To me whether He heals on the spot or not is immaterial.

What I strongly believe is that He still Heals today. That is my Faith and my position in the Lord. 


Seems that is very similar to what John MacA wrote.

So methinks you have misunderstood him. biggrin.gif

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Don't get me wrong, yes we need theologians and teacher but my point is, don't get too hook up on any of them. Don't come to the point of arguing saying, This guys is Right and that guy is wrong. (1 Corinthians 1:12 ) That is causing division. HOW Do you know if He's right or wrong unless you yourself read the Bible. That is my urge to the Christians here as well. Read the Bible in totality so that you know and nobody can pull your leg.

I have Faith more in the Holy Spirit that he will guide God's people into the truth according to scripture more than If I can say to have faith in certain theologians.
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Thats good.

God has given us theologians and teachers. We should appreciate those who have dedicated their lives to enrich ours with understanding of God's word.

However, i do agree with you that there are those who just theologians as academics, who are not even believers. Those, we have to beware of.
But John MacA is not one of them.

Next, totally agree that we ourselves have to be armed with the word of God. Else we will be swallowed up by the stalking lion, the devil.

On division. It will happen.
Let's not worship division for unity sake.
Because thats not what Jesus teaches.
The Truth will divide people. We have to understand that.

In Matthew's gospel Jesus said "I did not come to bring peace, but a sword" (Matthew 10:34). it as a reference to the fact that the word of God is sharper than any double-edged sword"; it "penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart" (Hebrews 4:12). God's truth is a sword which divides truth from falsity, right from wrong, good from evil, and much else. It confronts us and requires us to make decisions. The way we make those decisions can divide us.


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post Oct 10 2014, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(likimikuku @ Oct 10 2014, 05:59 PM)
u guys are funny
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post Oct 13 2014, 08:59 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 11 2014, 11:36 AM)
Actually I differ in this, He's not too sure whether God is willing to heal upon his children prayer. I believe God is willing.

No, not division among believers if that is what you're inclining because Jesus did pray for unity among believers showing that as evidence of his will.

Then you believe that

Healing is God will heal all believers. To be more qualitative on this: physical healing. Is that right?

i dont think John MacA is not sure. He is dependant on God's sovereign will, that He may choose not to heal.

i believe that Jesus prayed for believers because He has already seen the heart of men to cause divisions. That is sure.
However Truth will unite and divide.
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QUOTE(fabianz03 @ Oct 11 2014, 11:20 PM)
Hi all, hope ya'll had a great day.
I consider myself an atheist because although my official papers state that I have a religion, but deep inside I know I don't believe in any.

Anyway, that's not the point. I'm actually curious about why and how Christians believe in God (I am seriously not trying to insult/condemn/make fun). Like, for me I need proof to believe in something. If God created the universe, where's the proof? Why hasn't God gave us the answer and if God loves us so much, why did He give us AIDS and Ebola and natural disasters?

I'm not looking for solid proof but I'm here just to find enlightenment.
Hope you all can help. Thanks, and oh please quote and reply because I dont lurk here a lot laugh.gif a notification and I'll be here.

Thanks!
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The universe IS the proof of His existence.

Science has conditioned us to think otherwise. Yet they cant tell you how the 1st joule of energy to cause the Big bang came from.


"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth"
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post Oct 14 2014, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 13 2014, 11:59 PM)
Just to add on top of what most Bible commenter says about Judas.

Judas never regarded Jesus as ..........a Saviour (Messiah), he only saw him as a teacher.

Meaning to say as one to follow after not as one who save Him, that is the problem.

It's also a hint why Many Christians are not transformed or repented towards God.
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Dont understand this.

i would thought that there is more problem with discipleship when one only acknowledges the saviour but not the Lord part.

Many Christians actually IMO are only interessted in being saved but not interested to forgo their flesh and carnal characteristics and follow the Lord
in obedience. In acknowledging the Lordship means obedience.

Thats the reason of the warning in Matthew 7:

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Its obedience to His will that draws us into His kingdom.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 14 2014, 10:26 AM)
He is the Triune God.

God the father.
God Jesus Christ.
God Holy Spirit.
When I address them, I address them as Dear God not Dear Gods.

They are One God but Trinity. They are not lesser in power in comparison to each other.

Some people think the Ranking is like this.

1) God the father.
2) God Jesus Christ.
3) God Holy Spirit.

Actually No.

Actually to be honest 14-9-2015, no human being can explain this.

We Christian just accept it as it is.

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God sent to dwell in all Believers.
The Bible says, He is the guarantee deposit that guarantees us Salvation in Heaven.
The Holy Spirit is a Teacher, who will guide us into God's truth.
God The father Speaks/communicate to us through his Spirit, The Holy Spirit.

That is why Christianity is relationship with God, it's not a religion.

To me religion is just repetitive rituals void of personal relationship with God.

Hope that helps.
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Agree. Its one of the great mysteries of God.

Yes. The tri unity of God explains the relationship nature of God.
Otherwise there is no reasoning the term : God IS Love.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 14 2014, 02:30 PM)
You have to take discipleship one step at a time.

Obedience will come in naturally when the right type of Faith is cultivated.
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i understand that.

What you point out about people not accepting Him as saviour is the problem of transformation.
i would rather say that not accepting Him as Lord is the problem to discipleship which is trnsformation.

You dont have to obey Him as saviour. Whereas Lordship demands obedience, which leads to transformation.

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 14 2014, 03:51 PM)
Don't misunderstand. I wasn't attacking your point, just giving you additional insight.
What gives you that idea anyway?
The Bible has many life application from multiple angle.
I'll tell you why I say Peter is a type of Christian under the Law.

Remember about Peter's denial of the Lord?

What happened?

Jesus said, all the disciples will fall away on account of Him (Matthew 26:21)
And Peter boasted "Even if all fall away on account of you, I never will." (Matthew 26:33)
And Peter said this in front of all the disciples!  biggrin.gif

That is like saying, God I will obey you! Even all these other disciples can't!

And we all now what happened next. He betrayed Jesus with cursing and swearing some more.

What is the lesson behind this?

He typifies the type of Believers today who boast of their own obedience to God.

Lord I will obey you even to the very ends of the earth. Be careful when you boast as such, you'll find it hard to complete it just like Peter.
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i dont see Peter as a type of Law. Whereas the pharisees are the lawful typology.

However i do see Pride. And Pride goes before a fall. God cannot use proud people. In many examples in scriptures God has to break His prophets down before He can use them eg Moses, Samson, Peter

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