good morning and happy new year, as per above topic
just want to inquiry, after engagement for 2 years is that means automatically become married status??

this is due to i have a friend who want to break up with his partner, but they already engage, not yet held wedding dinner,
so they need to go thru divorce procedure according to Malaysia law?
Or what should do if want to break up??

thanks for assist

islamic method.

engagement is not a married.
engagement breakup is called putus tunang
married breakup/divorce is called cerai

engagement breakup doesnt need go thru divorce procedure.
just meet the partner parents and told them want to putus tunang because of (put your reason)

engagement = preparation (by both parties) towards marriage ceremony.

NOT yet married status.

If not yet register with JPN, can move on easily.

thx for replied, but in my fren case, is a non islamic method,
and he already obtain some sort of sijil (Daftar Perkahwinan) from JPN,
so does this means his status already become married in Malaysia LAw?

yes. his spouse now own half his property.

This post has been edited by MrUbikeledek: Jan 1 2014, 10:39 AM

For non-Muslim, the critical part is the registration at JPN. Not the ceremony you might or might not have. Some people skip the ceremony. This is call "eloping". Yes, your friend is already legally married, if already registered.

YES. Once you signed the registration, it became legal partner.

oh...god...things get complicated..
so let's say,they want to break up due to some issues,
does it means need to go thru the divorce procedure ? means hire lawyer..wait until the court issue certificate of divorce..things like that...
btw, they do not have children or property, and only 25 years old..

See - http://www.lawnet.com.my/lawnetpublic/Lega...74/Default.aspx

Sijil Daftar Perkahwinan = Marriage Certificate

JPN (Jabatan Pendaftaran Negara) = National Registration Department


TS u failed your BM in SPM izzit?

i have no idea...it does has a JPN logo on top right

Yes, JPN is the national registration department. They also register marriages and divorces as well.

And, yes, looks like normal marriage cert. Congratulations to your friend on getting married.

hahaha...that y i tell him really "lok seven"...say want break up wor...thought still boyfren and girlfren status...with this certh...want to divorce need to follow law right?

since your friend (or whoever) already registered, yes, need to go the divorce procedure (Malaysia law) regardless the ceremony.

say gud luck to him

if got disagreement n claim between both parties, things can drag on for years

Malaysia got such law meh? Hong Kong i know got laaa

This part of chinese culture I totally can't brain. Your friend already go to JPN and ROM and got Marriage Cert, why does he still consider himself 'engaged?' Legally he is already married mah, which carries more weight and standing than whatever cultural gate crashing wedding banquet thing.

he is not engaged. he is legally married.

as long as u didnt sign that paper u are not consider married..
not sure if islam marriage..

if less than 2 year u can divorce without the status divorce.. ( which mean u can get back your single status back in JPN record.)

after 2 year , your status become divorce in JPN record

your friend are not engage, he is married

that paper you post, the paper he sign is the official one. more big than those stupid sisters game, drink tea ceremony, wedding dinner shitz

Your friend is married la. That is a Civil Marriage Cert. Meaning they are considered a legally married couple. It does not matter if they didn't went through the religious/cultural ceremony.

So if they want to part ways, then they need to get a civil divorce. They need a lawyer for that.

Thanks for all replied...so i can conclude and say that...wish him luck if want divorce...

Gosh man, how ur fren sign tat thg without knowing what was that paper for?

he "was" legally married.

There are easy way to get divorce.

Below is the example :

DIVORCE BY MUTUAL CONSENT (JOINT PETITION)

Both parties to the marriage can jointly file a divorce where they can mutually agree to divorce. To be eligible for the application, the couples must have been married for at least two (2) years at the time the petition for divorce is filed, unless approved by the court. By a joint petition, both parties can freely decide to the maintenance for wife & children, custody and care of the children, division of matrimonial assets.
DIVORCE WITHOUT MUTUAL CONSENT (UNILATERAL PETITION)

Either party to a marriage may file a petition to divorce without consent of the other party, on the ground that the marriage has broken down. The break down of the marriage can be grounded one of the reasons as follows:

1) that the other party has committed adultery;
2) that the other party has behaved in such a way that it cannot reasonably be expected to live together;
3) that the other party has deserted for a continuous period of at least 2 years; OR
4) that the parties to the marriage have lived apart for a continuous period of at least 2 years.

SOs For who want divorce

and

from our very own /K K Sos

This post has been edited by blueblueoutofblue: Jan 4 2014, 04:02 PM

WTF! Your friend didn't know he was married? It's like a Ross-and-Rachel situation.

Here's what I hate about some traditional Chinese interpretation on marriage. When you sign the paper in JPN, you ARE legally married. But then, the old people say it's just an engagement. After a few months or years, you had a traditional wedding ceremony where the dude dresses up in smart coat, the chick wears a gown and a bunch bros and sis tag along. Then you have a tea ceremony with the elders. And only then, the Chinese people said that you are married ... but in reality, that couple is already legally married for months.

exactly what u said.. u got the point...my fren totally in this situation...my god...25 years old...already "legally" married for almost 3 years...somemore he thought he still in "engagement" mode....what a joke...

only one word can describe : "STUPID"...or too love at the 1st place, give some stupid promises...

i don't blame ts or his friend for being ignorant about the married status.
there are many people (especially chinese) who misunderstood this matter too.
for them, as long as they have not held their wedding dinner, they don't call themselves as married (although they already signed the marriage registration certificate).
i used to have colleagues who already registered their marriage but have not held their wedding dinner.
thus, they always introduce each other to people around as bf/gf.
after 5 years, they held their wedding dinner and then only start to introduce to people as husband/wife.
funny...

I just don't understand :
1. Why people chose to be so ignorant about signing the marriage paper with JPN and thinking is engagement?

2. Why people still regard registration is less important than tea ceremony?

One you and your partner sign that marriage paper, you are legally married to each other.

To divorce, you need to wait at least three years from the date you register:
- Divorce have two categories:
1. Both mutually consenting to divorce, the process is just three months
2. If one party wants divorce, you will be asked to go counseling and go to court for dispute.

Seriously, everyday, roughly on average there's about 30 couples divorcing in Penang.

Good luck...

This post has been edited by wilstroth: Jan 8 2014, 09:58 PM

Totally agreed! Plus if he has property, than the wife can fight for it Liao...

Hope he see the effects ...

This post has been edited by wilstroth: Jan 8 2014, 10:02 PM

The girl you are talking about also give you some stupid promises and you too love her at the first place,bro please wake up and they are going to make a new marriage cert already

y u marah dia?

TS, it seems like ur friend is legally married, as it has been registered in the JPN.

Under the Malaysian law, u cant file for divorce within 2 yrs from the date of marriage without first obtaining a special permission (from Courts). To get the special permission, u need to show some special circumstances and its not readily given to anyone.

Once the 2 yrs period has lapsed, u can file for divorce. Theres two types, joint petition and single petition.

Joint petition - uncontested. Basically, both parties agree to divorce, can mutually agree on division of properties, maintenance etc. Less hassle if his wife is not hostile.

single petition - contested. Both parties will have to fight for the division of property.

Bearing in mind, under the law both parties are required to go for mandatory counseling before they can file a divorce petition.

My advice is to go and set up a meeting with a lawyer and proceed from there.

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3146950

At first so happy n on cloud nine celebrating his success n within one month regretting suffering who ask him play ppl marriage wish him good luck

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3146950

pity him

dammmn. kesian.

so happy here and call ppl stupid then this happened haiz why ts no think more

love makes people do crazy things, man.

also seks.

He spent 4000 and more on her haiz/..........what has he got himself into

Are you married ?

rm4k is nothing. money can earn back but time and youth cannot take back. piap2 so what? all your energy, effort, time all wasted

Wow..still got ignorant stupid people nowadays.

Haha he kena con out of the girl la. She smart use love con him legally