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post Jul 18 2006, 06:55 PM

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dude i know how u feel about me saying that.

But im using a PAL console laugh.gif

no hard feelings ler atas tuh
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post Jul 18 2006, 07:04 PM

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QUOTE(psp _BOY @ Jul 18 2006, 06:55 PM)
no hard feelings ler atas tuh
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No hard feelings. I just hate those who bash Xbox 360 because of region lock when they themselves don't know that all the console before 360 does have region lock implemented, and they don't know about it because they bought their console pre-modded.

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like ps2 and so on laugh.gif
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post Jul 18 2006, 11:23 PM

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QUOTE(chamelion @ Jul 18 2006, 03:13 PM)
Xbox360 bring online content into living room. They do this in PC but xbox360 let those whom no pc savy able to enjoy this feature very easily.

wii have diffrent approach in using controller.

What is the dif between ps1, ps2 and Ps3 other then improve due to better hardwar like in graphic and more complicated AI algorithm (but then ps2 AI is far behind's PC AI)?

But i think their biggest mistake is delay in delivery of the system to market. It will be worst if ps3 is delay to after wii launch.
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ps3's contoller is similiar to wii's but not as good/sensitive.
ps3 doesnt have vibration laugh.gif
360 is the same as xbox tongue.gif

QUOTE(mzaidi @ Jul 18 2006, 06:48 PM)
This is what make me furious, when I talk to my friends about 360, they will bash it because of the region lock. The way they say it is like Xbox 360 is the first console to have enforce region lock system.

It's not surprising since they only played pirated games before on their modded PS1 and PS2 and don't know that region lock exist on their console as well. Hate region lock? Blame Nintendo for starting them.

For me, I don't care if Xbox 360 is region locked. Most Japanese / US game will be available in Asia version, and Asia's game are about USD 20 cheaper than US / Japanese game, which is a plus for me.  thumbup.gif

Don't get me wrong, I'll get both Wii and PS3 when there are games that I want to play available on those consoles. Region free on PS3 is a plus, though I'll most probably buy Asian games (cheaper price) than US / Japanese games.
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i dont remember any nintendo system(aside from GC) which is region locked-was N64 region locked? sweat.gif sweat.gif
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post Jul 19 2006, 02:31 AM

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QUOTE(Mgsrulz @ Jul 18 2006, 11:23 PM)
i dont remember any nintendo system(aside from GC) which is region locked-was N64 region locked? sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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The regional lockout was first implemented on European NES.

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Lockout circuitry. The Famicom contained no lockout hardware, and, as a result, unlicensed cartridges (both legitimate and bootleg) were extremely common throughout Japan and the Far East. The original NES (but not the top-loading NES 2) contained the 10NES lockout chip, which significantly increased the challenges faced by unlicensed developers. Tinkerers at home in later years discovered that disassembling the NES and cutting the fourth pin of the lockout chip (a process now legal with the expiration of the NES patent) would cut power to the chip, removing all effects and greatly improving the console's ability to play legal games, as well as bootlegs and converted imports. The European release of the console used a regional lockout system that prevented cartridges released in region A from being played on region B consoles, and vice versa.


Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Entertainment_System
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post Jul 19 2006, 03:22 PM

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ah now i see...damn european NES's..
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post Jul 19 2006, 08:23 PM

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Just because Nintendo came up with the region lock to actually curb bootlegs, they shouldn't really be blamed for "creating" region lock. In their history, Nintendo was never really strict on imports. AFAIK, all their cartridge-based systems (N64 and before) were region free. Heck, when Datel wanted to open the region locking of the Gamecube with their Action Replay, Nintendo allowed them. smile.gif The GC was the only console in the last gen that was truly region free tongue.gif

QUOTE(Mgsrulz @ Jul 18 2006, 11:23 PM)
ps3's contoller is similiar to wii's but not as good/sensitive.
ps3 doesnt have vibration laugh.gif
360 is the same as xbox tongue.gif 

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I don't think PS3's controller is even close to being "similar" to the Wii. There is quite some difference between motion-sensing on the Wiimote, and the tilt-sensing on the PS3 controller. The PS3 controller is most similar to the PS2 controller tongue.gif The only difference is the addition of tilt, and the removal of vibration laugh.gif

The 360 controller may seem like the same with the xbox, but for one major difference: the guide button. Ok, it's just one additional button, but it's the most important button in the whole 360 experience, as it opens up so many options while you are playing, whether it be playing music, chatting with friends, messaging, changing your settings.....I can't really explain, but I think fellow 360 owners will understand what I'm trying to say.

From the outside, yeah, the 360 is the same as xbox. But in the interface, the software, the interaction.....the 360 is totally a new experience compared to the xbox wink.gif

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post Jul 19 2006, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(Darkchaser @ Jul 19 2006, 08:23 PM)
Just because Nintendo came up with the region lock to actually curb bootlegs, they shouldn't really be blamed for "creating" region lock. In their history, Nintendo was never really strict on imports. AFAIK, all their cartridge-based systems (N64 and before) were region free.
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I'm not sure about N64, but console before N64 which (SNES) is region locked. They implement this by using different cartridge shape on different region. Hence, Japanese game couldn't fit into US' cartridge slot. Japanese & European SNES have similar cartidge shape, but they put a region lockout chip on the console which prevents European game to be played on Japanese console and vice versa.

So, maybe they did that on NES to curb bootleg, but when they continue that on SNES, it's clear that they don't want gamers to import games from other region.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snes

As for Xbox 360. Eventhough the region lockout are implemented into the hardware, it's up to the game's developer / publisher whether they want to use the region lockout or not.
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QUOTE(Darkchaser @ Jul 19 2006, 08:23 PM)
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I don't think PS3's controller is even close to being "similar" to the Wii.
There is quite some difference between motion-sensing on the Wiimote, and the tilt-sensing on the PS3 controller. The PS3 controller is most similar to the PS2 controller  tongue.gif The only difference is the addition of tilt, and the removal of vibration  laugh.gif
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laugh.gif i meant similiar in that you can move it,and the onscreen characters(or camera) moves tongue.gif
comparatively,it is nothing like the wiimote tongue.gif
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post Jul 20 2006, 08:21 AM

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QUOTE(Mgsrulz @ Jul 18 2006, 11:23 PM)
ps3's contoller is similiar to wii's but not as good/sensitive.
ps3 doesnt have vibration laugh.gif
360 is the same as xbox tongue.gif
i dont remember any nintendo system(aside from GC) which is region locked-was N64 region locked? sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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I wouldn't call it the same. It has better ergonomic feel, wireless, a shoulder button which ps3 use it too...a guide button which ps3 use it as well.
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Both also sounds awesome..but i'll buy PS3 1st since i'm looking forward to it's machine..hehe drool.gif
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QUOTE(PrivateJohn @ Jul 20 2006, 08:21 AM)
I wouldn't call it the same. It has better ergonomic feel, wireless, a shoulder button which ps3 use it too...a guide button which ps3 use it as well.
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shoulder button...the original xbox didnt have any shoulder buttons? sweat.gif
i thought it had them... sweat.gif
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post Jul 25 2006, 12:20 AM

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Hey! Where did all the fan boys go?!!!
LOL!!! I would very like 2 see anyone saying "PS3, coz nintendo's 2 childish n the graphic suxx, nuff said!" or "WII, coz i feel like it n my family all go for ninty, nuff said!" being booed by fellow lowyat forumers...


Hehe, if there's anyone gonna buy all three, pls dont post it here la~ It's not a disscusion about which is better anymore...
U are simply being a nice guy and saying that 3 consoles are good and not criticising 1, u'll kill the forum,lol...(no offence)

I'll go for the most popular 1 around, of course after around some time first... I dont wanna repeat the same mistake i made again(i cant find any game shop selling the games of my 'game machine'-not saying which one, except fer those which were selling in a ridiculously high pricing...)
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post Jul 25 2006, 12:50 AM

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aku pilih Wii...pasal fast loading..like GC..damn fast..macam takde loading langsung...1st party games lah..even my 360 loading pun boleh tidur sekejap hahaha.. vmad.gif
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post Jul 25 2006, 10:20 AM

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Going for " the console that is more popular" route is not necessarily the right choice. You'd miss out on great selections on other consoles that "are not so popular" but later picked as the console of choice by certain developers. Metal Gear Solid Twin Snakes was never released in other console other than GC, so does the Rogue Squadron series. As for the price, it has been a while already where forum members here have bypassed the local shops who , i quote, "were selling in a ridiculously high pricing", and wentthe smarter route like getting them from Play Asia and Lik-Sang with free shipping. Then you complain about "no credit card"? Get the AmBank prepaid credit card. It is all up to you to put in a little bit of effort to get more reasonable prices.

If your logic is going by "the more popular choice", judging from previous gen, Playstation would be the logical choice. But would it be logical to get it solely on that reasoning? the wiser way would be to go to where the games go, meaning get the console that has the game you want to play most.The lucky ones would be able to get all three no doubt, but if you can only go monogamy (not poligamy tongue.gif) , then it would be better to wait till all three consoles have shown their big guns.

P/s: There is alos the "other" group of people. These people wait and see which console gets cracked first, and they go for these consoles. Of course, PSP_Boy's intention of posting this thread have no bearing whatsoever with these people, since their decisions on getting these consoles arent made because of gaming or price issues, they are made because these consoles are piratable for them.
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post Jul 25 2006, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 25 2006, 10:20 AM)
Going for " the console that is more popular" route is not necessarily the right choice. You'd miss out on great selections on other consoles that "are not so popular" but later picked as the console of choice by certain developers. Metal Gear Solid Twin Snakes was never released in other console other than GC, so does the Rogue Squadron series. As for the price, it has been a while already where forum members here have bypassed the local shops who , i quote, "were selling in a ridiculously high pricing", and wentthe smarter route like getting them from Play Asia and Lik-Sang with free shipping. Then you complain about "no credit card"? Get the AmBank prepaid credit card. It is all up to you to put in a little bit of effort to get more reasonable prices.

If your logic is going by "the more popular choice", judging from previous gen, Playstation would be the logical choice. But would it be logical to get it solely on that reasoning? the wiser way would be to go to where the games go, meaning get the console that has the game you want to play most.The lucky ones would be able to get all three no doubt, but if you can only go monogamy (not poligamy tongue.gif) , then it would be better to wait till all three consoles have shown their big guns.

P/s: There is alos the "other" group of people. These people wait and see which console gets cracked first, and they go for these consoles. Of course, PSP_Boy's intention of posting this thread have no bearing whatsoever with these people, since their decisions on getting these consoles arent made because of gaming or price issues, they are made because these consoles are piratable for them.
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lol about the poligamy,like that we dah haram dah,max 4 consoles

and yes i didnt create this thread to know which consoles are gonna be cracked first but i created it to know who are going for the PS3 or the Wii...But yeah wiis winning laugh.gif
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post Jul 25 2006, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(nbee @ Jul 25 2006, 12:20 AM)
Hehe, if there's anyone gonna buy all three, pls dont post it here la~ It's not a disscusion about which is better anymore...
U are simply being a nice guy and saying that 3 consoles are good and not criticising 1, u'll kill the forum,lol...(no offence)
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So people like me who plans to get all 3 consoles can't post here? shakehead.gif
Eventhough we plans to get all 3 consoles, doesn't mean we like those consoles. Sometimes, we get that console just because the game that we want to play is only available at that particular console.

QUOTE(windows_sux @ Jul 25 2006, 12:50 AM)
aku pilih Wii...pasal fast loading..like GC..damn fast..macam takde loading langsung...1st party games lah..even my 360 loading pun boleh tidur sekejap hahaha.. vmad.gif
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Well, one of the reason GC has a fast loading time is because they're using mini-DVD, which have smaller data read area, which helps improve loading time.

Wii is using standard DVD, so we have to wait and see.

QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 25 2006, 10:20 AM)
P/s: There is alos the "other" group of people. These people wait and see which console gets cracked first, and they go for these consoles. Of course, PSP_Boy's intention of posting this thread have no bearing whatsoever with these people, since their decisions on getting these consoles arent made because of gaming or price issues, they are made because these consoles are piratable for them.
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I know some people like that. They claim themselves as Sony's fanboy; but plans to get PS3 only when the modchip is out and if there is no modchip for PS3, they'll go to other console that have modable, even though previously they've bashed those console before.

Example, I have a friend who are very proud with his PSP V1.5. At that time, Nintendo DS can only play legit games, so when I bought a DS he criticize me and bashed Nintendo DS. Now, when there are flash cart for Nintendo DS, he bought one, and said that Nintendo DS is the best hendheld console he ever had!

Dah ludah sanggup jilat balik tuh sebab ada pirated version. whistling.gif

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QUOTE(mzaidi @ Jul 25 2006, 04:32 PM)

Well, one of the reason GC has a fast loading time is because they're using mini-DVD, which have smaller data read area, which helps improve loading time.

Wii is using standard DVD, so we have to wait and see.

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Yeah wait and see...but i do believe they will do the same thing with normal DVD on Wii... whistling.gif

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QUOTE(windows_sux @ Jul 25 2006, 05:03 PM)
Yeah wait and see...but i do believe they will do the same thing with normal DVD on Wii... whistling.gif
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Yeah, it depends on the game developer's optimizations. IINM, Dead or Alive 4 on Xbox 360 has almost no loading time.
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QUOTE(mzaidi @ Jul 25 2006, 05:08 PM)
Yeah, it depends on the game developer's optimizations. IINM, Dead or Alive 4 on Xbox 360 has almost no loading time.
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that why i sold my PS2...penat tunggu time loading..hahaha laugh.gif

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