car racism = gay fanboys that show no respect to others car brand.

car racism xdelah.... but stereotyping, maybe just alittle bit

lol

Thanks for the advise, zenix.

I was choosing between the Escape, CR-V and X-trail, most likely I will opt for X-trial, because the 'gear' position in normal, unlike the Escape & CR-V, their 'gear' near the steering wheel.

Initially, I was keen on the Escape, because of its pricing is about 10k cheaper than X-trail & CR-V, saving of 10k is good for repair work for the car, after some considerations, I skip Escape (unless able to find a good 2.3 unit), a bit worry of expensive parts and service for Ford

Btw, the Tucson and Sportage...never one... that you referring is beyond 2005 OR 2011 model?

This post has been edited by clickNsnap: Apr 29 2016, 08:43 PM

I know there is an attraction for Suprima/Preve because they've got a turbo. Honestly, when I had tested one I wasn't really impressed as it was as impotent as the first batch of Pug 308's -- do note I think Pug have made much improvements and I was honestly surprised of the response of the Pug 408 when it came out but whether or not that translated to the 308 I can't say as I haven't touched one since.

So usually when something really excites your heart you'd be willing to go through all the crap of owning it for those moments of bliss on the road, but since they didn't give me that feeling I'm not too sure you'd want to go through that trouble as Proton service centers haven't improved although their cars have improved.

Almera & City are pretty much the same in a few ways yet different in others. They're both the same as in their chassis design is all new and keeping with the trend that more buyers in the Asian region are going for B-segment cars (as oppose to C-segments) due to economic reasons (cheaper to buy and maintain) yet want something abit bigger thus both these cars are slightly stretched so that even when the front passenger/driver is a tall person and pushes the seat all the way to the back there is still lots of leg room for an average sized adults at the back. They both also have reasonably large boot space for the segment. And while both have similar design goals but I think Honda did a better job of hiding the hideous proportions than Nissan as the City does look sleek and sporty especially with a bodykit, while Almera with a bodykit looks better it is still pretty ugly. Also Honda has a better engine and gearbox so it can give you better FC and performance without feeling too laggy, Almera I feel is slightly under power.

Vios is a no brainer choice if you're looking for the cheapest to buy and maintain, high resale value and good reliability. However, it lacks alot of finesse because it is basically evolved from the first gen until now carrying forward almost the same chassis, gearbox and engine. This parts compatibility is good when you need to buy parts because of economics of scale it is cheaper but the bad thing is there isn't much improvement on the vios since the first gen. It doesn't have the large spacious cabin of the almera/city. Fuel consumption figures haven't changed because it is the same engine and gearbox since day 1 unlike Mazda which redeveloped everything into the Skyactiv filosofi, but it is the cheapest to buy as the J-spec is the cheapest of all japanese make b-segment cars. It is a solid design and worry free mostly, but can be boring.

With that budget you can also consider Mazda2 Skyactiv it has a redesigned body, engine and gearbox which is top notch when it comes to safety, performance, and fuel economy. The interior cabin of Mazda even in the Mazda2 nowadays is pretty classy and sleek, giving a sports car like feeling. People do say Mazda cars are expensive to maintain but that isn't really the case nowadays especially with the success of Mazda in recent years you can source for parts outside of Mazda 3S cheaper (oem, compatible, or mazda original from other countries) from stockist or distributors. In this range Mazda is probably the only one giving out 5 years warranty (i dunno if the 5 years free service promotion is still on or not).

That kind of specific information you better talk to people at www.bmwclubmalaysia.com

You're getting one of these?


macam if u drive alfa romeo = prayboi

if you're making a choice based on economy then skip escape/freelander. their poor resale value makes them relatively cheap to buy but long term maintenance isn't going to be cheap. however, if you really like the car/brand and are willing to go through the trouble and higher maintenance cost for it then by all means do it.

i have friends keeping an older gas guzzling and expensive to maintain old volvo stationwagon because it still has sentimental value to him.

Sportage/Tucson newer ones beyond 2009 the distributor here really loads up the car with all sorts of gadgets, accessories and trim to attract buyers and it usually works because going into a CRV after sitting a Tucson the CRV feels pretty basic but nonetheless maintenance for Koreans aren't that cheap here compared to Japanese makes like Honda/Nissan/Toyota.

Sifu u're very dangerous lol!! looking at getting the more boring (hint sedan) version

hehehe not answering your original question... but have a read here:
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=1007722

if you have one, bring your obd reader along

So i will focus on Almera, City, and Mazda 2.

I think a lot of cons with almera than City, since almera only provide 1 airbag (driver) but they offer me 7k rebate which higher than city taht is 3k rebate.
But in warranty, Honda give 5 years unlimited KMH to owners while almera only 3 years / 100,000 km/h .

i also heard the Almera having coil problem before this.

How much the OTR price for Mazda 2?

is there any issue with CVT gearbox in Proton?

If you want to get a nicely modded one you can always click here.

You can always play with the settings using apps like this one.
Of course you will need this to connect to your phone (it can also work with computer) though the advertisement is in french I'm not too sure about power supply, probably batteries or from the car itself (OBD cable). If from the car itself it is good as you don't need to fiddle with too many wires.

City is much more expensive but the top range one with everything seems like a good replacement for C-segment if you cannot afford one.

Mazda2 Skyactiv price


Proton sources their CVT's from Punch Powertrain a Belgium company.

Their customers are:

sos

They aren't as illustrious and big like Getrag, but they're quite respectable.
Their designs focus more on simplicity in design and fuel economy.
Not too sure about reliability, cheap to maintain or performance though.

Hi guys, planning to buy a second family car. Any recommendation

1. Brand - no continental
2. Budget - below 45k
3. Used
4. Specs - 1.6
5. Transmission - auto
6. NA or FI ? anything
7. Type - sedan
8. Remarks - good FC, better yr 2010 above, already owned City. Dont like Vios

Currently meet my budget is Nissan latio, Kia Forte. Any others?

This post has been edited by shauyan: May 2 2016, 10:11 AM

yep that toy, no need power or anything, just plug it in and use the torque app....

just a note, does not work with all cars, but its like 40 bucks or so, so its not really a super expensive tool to play with~

Alright, i'll book test drive for city, almera and mazda 2 to compare which suit me most.

Hey guys, Im just new here need some recommendation from sifu2 coz right now Im searching for family car since kids will become 2 in two months .
Im driving Satria Neo Cps for 5 years now and yes its not very sesuai and it time to change for suitable car.


1. Brand - prefer Japan cars
2. Budget - below 100k
3. Used
4. Specs - 1.6 to 2.0
5. Transmission - auto
6. NA or FI ? anything
7. Type - sedan
8. Remarks - good fc coz sometime balik kampung Perlis

Right now been surveyed on Civic FB but still try to ask otai2 here.

This post has been edited by Liftgammagain: May 2 2016, 07:24 PM

1. Brand : waja cps
2. Budget : 15k
3. New/Used/Unreg : used
4. Specs : cps
5. Transmission : auto

Thinking of getting a used waja cps since my lmst is going to be given to my brother. Anyone here has experience with this particular model? Any thoughts and/or recommendation.

The price for 2nd hand isn't so bad and I don't want to be indebted for too long

I prefer the waja over the persona btw because of its looks

actually its a pretty decent choice. The car comes with pretty good features given its price tag and does not have any major issues, just need to maintain and replace wear and tear parts... at most the complaints are the same with any proton car the built quality BUT remember for the price, its pretty decent imho. the fc might be on the higher side, but its still acceptable...

When you go see a unit, just make sure to check the car thoroughly, make sure it is as advertised, the basic used car checklist applies...

i think you will probably be paying more than 15k otr. If its advertised by a dealer, call them up and ask for the otr price, the listed prices are usually (frenkly never) the final prices
edit: i also assume you know how to differentiate the different models and can tell apart the real cps models, some dealers are idiots and advertise wrongly (as you can probably tell, i have no love for car dealers )

This post has been edited by lsm1991: May 3 2016, 01:38 PM

Since you already own a B-segment car the next logical step is going for a C-segment car. The Latio is a good choice, they also have a 1800cc engine variant which would be a good upgrade for you especially if you travel outstation or highways alot you'd appreciate the extra power and fuel economy. Overall, it is pretty cheap to maintain but do be aware bigger engine needs more engine oil so that's one cost you cannot run away from.

2013 Nissan X-Gear 1.6 - you may also want to consider this vehicle, it is a crossover of sorts. It basically is the Nissan Grand Livina except instead of seating for 7 it only has seating for 5, plus it is shorter. It still gives you a better view of the road with a higher ride height as compared to most sedan's -- talking about sedan's it is also made from the chassis of a sedan car thus it handles better it is not going to hug corners like a Go-Kart but travelling on the highway you don't feel it sway when you're going at highway speeds unlike say a Toyota Avanza which imho is a terrible car for outstation as I could only drive it safely at highways around 70-85kmh on highways. Nissan's resale value isn't too good but that's fine for you used car punter since you can buy a 2013 car at your budget, plus it ain't going to depreciate as rapidly now so you can say your resale value is preserved. Parts and maintenance isn't an issue for this car as the engine and gearbox are pretty basic by today's standards yet they are reliable so not much worry about this car. Space wise it is similar to any C-segment car. It is quite a decent all round car for your needs.

Another thing you might want to consider is Proton Inspira either 1800cc or 2000cc, I think I wrote about this car quite often in the last page.

That is because it may be OBD2 not OBD1

Budget wise it is Almera, but value wise it is a tossle of a coin between City and Mazda2.

I'm guessing you'll still look for something with a spirited drive so here are some cars which would be suitable for your needs and budget.

2010 Honda Stream 1.8 - you might be thinking about MPV's as well but that would usually mean a boring van, but nowadays there are pretty nice looking MPV's like the Honda Stream. Unlike most van based MPV's this one is based on a sedan car body thus it rides lower to the ground but still higher than most sedan's -- easy to get in and out of for pregnant ladies and grandparents. One good thing about recon cars is the condition they are in are near new yet their price is quite close to that of actual used cars, but another benefit is that you can buy it using new car loan interest rates which helps lower the overall cost. Maintenance is another cost car owners have to content with but being a Honda it is relatively cheap for this class of vehicle. Although this is a Japanese CBU grey import (btw Japanese build quality much better than the one built in Thailand) parts shouldn't be a problem as Stream is sold in numbers here either officially or grey imports so parts isn't an issue, yes, the local one uses the K20 2000cc engine and you might be wondering what they put inside the 1800cc of the grey imports? Well, it is a variant of the R18 they stuff in the Civic FD and FB -- thus body and engine no issues for parts.

2012 Mitsubishi Lancer Sportsback 2.4cc - one thing that manufacturers do nowadays is selling us under powered cars and don't have the potential to improve, for example the Honda Stream above although the R18 and 5AT does a good job it is still underpowered for an MPV sized vehicle which is okay for solo driving but when you add wife, kids, stroller, etc. it still moves but you'll feel there is less pick-up when launching from a traffic light and overtaking becomes difficult because you can speed up fast enough, anyway that shouldn't be a problem for the Lancer Sportsback since it has a 2400cc engine under the hood on a stationwagon sized body. It is one of the few underrated cars on our roads for one it is Japan CBU of export quality thus it comes fully loaded with things like paddle shifters, leather seats, navigation and entertainment system. All Lancer Sportback models come with a multitude of standard equipment, including with dual front, front side and full-length side curtain airbags in addition to a driver’s knee airbag, traction and stability control systems and a tire-pressure monitoring system, among others. Maintenance wise except for the stationwagon rear everything else is part by part compatible with Lancer and Inspira so you don't worry about part replacement unless it is a rear-end then things might get expensive but since this is an officially sold in malaysia car and not a grey import it shouldn't be difficult to find the parts and prices shouldn't be astronomical. The 4B12 2400cc engine is a variant of the 4B11 used in the 2000cc Lancer and Inspira not a different engine all together thus many parts are shared which equals cost savings. If you like the Evo this is probably the best compromise for a family man in terms of purchase price and maintenance cost vs function and performance.

Okay here is the problem.
I'm guessing 100k is obtained via loan not cash. For car loans to be approved the car mustn't be older than 10years so that means any car built/registered in Malaysia back in 2006.

I know in your mind you might be thinking it is possible to buy a 1997 Porsche Boxter with 100k but the problem is the loan, cash purchase no problem.

2008 Porsche Cayenne 3.2 is still obtainable and is within your engine spec range, but it is an SUV not convertible. Although the 3.2 is considered the entry level model you can always purchase the Techart Magnum bodykit from here to get that top of the range 4.5 look, plus since these cars aren't mainstream you'll be hard press to find many people noticing the difference between the 3.2 and 4.5 after you've added the bodykit. You should know that for these guys the maintenance is a killer and you're mostly locked to either Porsche 3S or specialist workshops neither of which are cheap in service and parts. To put it into perspective it is the same as maintaining a BMW 7-series or Mercedes S-Class -- prestige, power, reliability, etc. everything is there just that when it comes time for the scheduled maintenance it can be a heart attack.

2009 VW Scirocco 2.0 - a good sports coupe with frameless windows, good performance and not such a maintenance nightmare would be something like this car. It might not be so outstanding and has become quite common on our roads but what matters most is decent maintenance cost and the joy of driving it. I know you'd get much more prestige and rarity with a Porsche but it is a very expensive toy if you're planning it for a daily drive or even weekend car.

i have always wanted one of these.... only thing is... Mitsubishi are hipsters... they have the OBD-II port... but run on the MUT protocol the reader is known t have issues with this silly protocol...

didnt really know that the otr price is different for used cars
how much difference should i expect for otr price?

thanks for the reply

This post has been edited by homerthewhopper: May 3 2016, 02:18 PM

https://torque-bhp.com/wiki/Plugins

aye already installed all of it, with the mut pluggin (just hope old ver of torque + latest mut pluggin will work) but... was told only 'newer' mitsu's are supported.... hmmm should try anyway