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post Feb 5 2014, 08:47 AM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Feb 4 2014, 05:55 PM)
so anyone can help me with this? smile.gif
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Panasonic for quiet operation, from outside compressor unit to the inside blower unit.
But prepare to pay extra.
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post Feb 5 2014, 09:03 AM

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Is acson good? Quality and after sales?
I was quoted for acson for normal 2.5hp with installation at rm2500. Does the price expensive?

I was quoted as well for daikin 1.5hp r22 inverter with installation at rm1800. Does it expensive?

The seller told me the ME 2+7 warranty can be claims once for the same item. for example electronic board warranty claimed and cannot be claim in the future althourh still in warranty. Is it true?

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post Feb 5 2014, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(exkaizen @ Feb 5 2014, 09:03 AM)
kimsim
Is acson good? Quality and after sales?
I was quoted for acson for normal 2.5hp with installation at rm2500. Does the price expensive?

I was quoted as well for daikin 1.5hp r22 inverter with installation at rm1800. Does it expensive?

The seller told me the ME 2+7 warranty can be claims once for the same item. for example electronic board warranty claimed and cannot be claim in the future althourh still in warranty. Is it true?
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Honest daikin more quality than York or Acson.
But price really unknown.

Warranty for ME never never claim before even mine has expiry already, even outdoor compressor still works like new as quiet operate.

From what I said, ME really more cooler than others brand.
But not sure for non-inverter unit.
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post Feb 5 2014, 12:07 PM

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i just install daikin 1.5hp invertor...the installer said cheaper to maintain compare to panasonic invertor...at living hall install 1.5hp basic unit...daikin rm1800...the panasonic rm1450...
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QUOTE(cavaliars @ Feb 5 2014, 12:07 PM)
i just install daikin 1.5hp invertor...the installer said cheaper to maintain compare to panasonic invertor...at living hall install 1.5hp basic unit...daikin rm1800...the panasonic rm1450...
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May I know ur daikin inverter is running R410a gas or R22?

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post Feb 5 2014, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 5 2014, 01:10 PM)
May I know ur daikin inverter is running R410a gas or R22?

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should be R22 as the installer told me the servicing cost is lower compare to panasonic inverter...
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[WTA] how to clean the roller fan inside the indoor unit?
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post Feb 5 2014, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(cavaliars @ Feb 5 2014, 04:12 PM)
should be R22 as the installer told me the servicing cost is lower compare to panasonic inverter...
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Some brands do using the old type gas/compressor. More important is the controller from the blower.
Usually those air cond man will advise you which is cheaper to maintain. And if they are honest, they won't simply advise you to change air cond unless it failed.
But when on electric shop, they will advise simply. When they have lots of Panasonic air conds, that will be the best air cond. They won't tell you the truth everytime.
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post Feb 5 2014, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Feb 5 2014, 04:23 PM)
Some brands do using the old type gas/compressor. More important is the controller from the blower.
Usually those air cond man will advise you which is cheaper to maintain. And if they are honest, they won't simply advise you to change air cond unless it failed.
But when on electric shop, they will advise simply. When they have lots of Panasonic air conds, that will be the best air cond. They won't tell you the truth everytime.
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yes, i agree with you on the shop part...i went a few shop,they advise me differently according to their sales price margin. i ended up buying from the installer. he told me anything aircond is almost the same...he gave me advise on the inverter difference between daikin and panasonic. then the normal unit he said not much difference so i choose panasonic instead of york as my work place use york very loud sound...

both aircond is for my new house...the only thing is the installation is on the high side...
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QUOTE(chokia @ Feb 5 2014, 04:19 PM)
[WTA] how to clean the roller fan inside the indoor unit?
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1st thing to be remove whole casing after remove swing grill and continue to remove drain plate.

2nd only left your hand with wet/dry cloth to slot in blower and clean out from turning end to end.

3rd alumn. fan coil only able to remove whole indoor with spray or flash with tap water.

The other option for used paint brush to clean out alumn. fan coil as slowly to clean out every single gap.

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post Feb 5 2014, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(cavaliars @ Feb 5 2014, 04:44 PM)
yes, i agree with you on the shop part...i went a few shop,they advise me differently according to their sales price margin. i ended up buying from the installer. he told me anything aircond is almost the same...he gave me advise on the inverter difference between daikin and panasonic. then the normal unit he said not much difference so i choose panasonic instead of york as my work place use york very loud sound...

both aircond is for my new house...the only thing is the installation is on the high side...
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And it depend greatly how long you'll going to use it. For me that using 2-3 hours(max), non inverter already fit my bill, since inverter only help after using longer hours.
The installer actaully attached to a shop, but they still getting a better price.
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 5 2014, 05:32 PM)
1st thing to be remove whole casing after remove swing grill and continue to remove drain plate.

2nd only left your hand with wet/dry cloth to slot in blower and clean out from turning end to end.

3rd alumn. fan coil only able to remove whole indoor with spray or flash with tap water.

The other option for used paint brush to clean out alumn. fan coil as slowly to clean out every single gap.
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Your instruction sounds like for outdoor unit
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QUOTE(chokia @ Feb 5 2014, 06:16 PM)
Your instruction sounds like for outdoor unit
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Not lah, outdoor unit lagi fast, just use tap water and flash on cooling coil only.
Just make sure you can cover PCB at top side.
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 5 2014, 02:55 AM)
Now you still got choices and think for it, why not go for ME? Pana too bored brand, unless they got really big jamp.

Your layout on 2 x 1 hp is ok position and just the Living hall too depth already, even 3hp and also not so efficient.

Try to relocate install bath room 2 upper wall of facing to corridor side and the drain can be easy drop inside bath 2.

Also on your study room door was open and inside also has free Aircon.

Because of the 2hp can be more strong airflow just slightly bend the grill on both end then on the Living hall & dinner area also can easy reach up.

Just is my opinion only.. If you have more idea and just follow your own.
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talked to the electrician that helping me doing the socket/heater point/ac point this afternoon
he suggested the same thing as you smile.gif

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install above the wall bath 2 and drain the water into either bath 1 or 2
i think 2HP/2.5HP should be sufficient as there's a fan near dining area
kitchen wont have too much heat as the stove was not inside the the unit
the dining area+kitchen+utility room will have sunlight on the afternoon-evening, so i gonna do put some tint film on the windows to reduce the heat

yeah, i also get bored with panasonic
all my relatives uses panasonic/national aircon and home appliances
so they all suggest panasonic to me

i noticed that ME give 2 years warranty on blower,and 5 years for outdoor unit
other brands give 1 year on blower +5 years on outdoor unit

spare parts wise, i was told that pana/york is widely available compared to ME hmm.gif
but when come to service the aircon, all are the same right? hmm.gif


regarding the 1HP aircon, i will use the aircon if the temperature is too uncomfortable, otherwise i will be using ceiling fan all the time
for the utility room, that room is for my sister and will be vacant as she's outstation for her studies, only come back to stay for 1 month, twice a year, so it will be a guest room i guess

worth to get inverter for the 2 * 1HP, or just get non-inverter model? should i go for inverter for the living hall as well?

QUOTE(oe_kintaro @ Feb 5 2014, 07:15 AM)
A lot of distance to the living for the 2HP wall mount to cover IMHO . Maybe a 2.5HP ceiling cassette in a more central location? Or you can keep the 2HP wall mount there and have another 1 HP one for your living.
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yeah, i realized that also
i gonna follow kimsim's suggestion
thanks for the input smile.gif
the thing is that the management limit 2 AC per unit, but i saw some unit got 3,
4 unit is not recommended by them, so i go for 3 split unit
if use 1 split unit 1.5HP + 1 system 3 (1HP+1.5HP+2HP), if the system 3's outdoor unit rosak = all 3 AC become useless sweat.gif

QUOTE(IceBikers @ Feb 5 2014, 07:34 AM)
how bout 1 hp at dining, and 1.5 hp beside the master bedrooom wall
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thanks for the suggestion, considered to put 2 unit in common area before smile.gif
but the thing is that the management limit 2 AC per unit, but i saw some unit got 3, so maximum is 3
gonna install the outside one in a more central location
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QUOTE(ivan92 @ Feb 5 2014, 09:00 PM)
talked to the electrician that helping me doing the socket/heater point/ac point this afternoon
he suggested the same thing as you smile.gif

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install above the wall bath 2 and drain the water into either bath 1 or 2
i think 2HP/2.5HP should be sufficient as there's a fan near dining area
kitchen wont have too much heat as the stove was not inside the the unit
the dining area+kitchen+utility room will have sunlight on the afternoon-evening, so i gonna do put some tint film on the windows to reduce the heat

yeah, i also get bored with panasonic
all my relatives uses panasonic/national aircon and home appliances
so they all suggest panasonic to me

i noticed that ME give 2 years warranty on blower,and 5 years for outdoor unit
other brands give 1 year on blower +5 years on outdoor unit

spare parts wise, i was told that pana/york is widely available compared to ME hmm.gif
but when come to service the aircon, all are the same right? hmm.gif
regarding the 1HP aircon, i will use the aircon if the temperature is too uncomfortable, otherwise i will be using ceiling fan all the time
for the utility room, that room is for my sister and will be vacant as she's outstation for her studies, only come back to stay for 1 month, twice a year, so it will be a guest room i guess

worth to get inverter for the 2 * 1HP, or just get non-inverter model? should i go for inverter for the living hall as well?
yeah, i realized that also
i gonna follow kimsim's suggestion
thanks for the input smile.gif
the thing is that the management limit 2 AC per unit, but i saw some unit got 3,
4 unit is not recommended by them, so i go for 3 split unit
if use 1 split unit 1.5HP + 1 system 3 (1HP+1.5HP+2HP), if the system 3's outdoor unit rosak = all 3 AC become useless sweat.gif
thanks for the suggestion, considered to put 2 unit in common area before  smile.gif
but the thing is that the management limit 2 AC per unit, but i saw some unit got 3, so maximum is 3
gonna install the outside one in a more central location
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That 2/2.5HP will end up do nothing. Just get a 2HP and install it in the living room. You won't really need it on dinning room.
Also, Panasonic already proven to be good, that's why your relatives all using it. Ask them a stupid question : do they failed fast?
To justify an inverter, if you are turning it on for minimum 10 hours a day, go for it. If short period of time, just the normal will do.
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QUOTE(chokia @ Feb 5 2014, 04:19 PM)
[WTA] how to clean the roller fan inside the indoor unit?
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I use toothbrush, or disposal chopstick that cover with wet cloth for simple way to clean, as when the blower inside "grow""hair", the less air output by the blower.
It works to recover some air-flow, but won't be too clean.

The actual way to clean is dismantle the unit, and wash it thoroughly using jet water, which normal done for servicing the air-con.
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QUOTE(supersound @ Feb 5 2014, 09:35 PM)
That 2/2.5HP will end up do nothing. Just get a 2HP and install it in the living room. You won't really need it on dinning room.
Also, Panasonic already proven to be good, that's why your relatives all using it. Ask them a stupid question : do they failed fast?
To justify an inverter, if you are turning it on for minimum 10 hours a day, go for it. If short period of time, just the normal will do.
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i see
thanks for the input
decided to go with std type aircon
panasonic generally dont fail fast, but it doesnt mean that other brands are not good
ME's easy clean is one of the factor i took it into consideration



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Hi..
Do you guys recommend of using those ceiling cassette air-cond? I'm planning to get one (2 hp) for my new house where the height of the plaster ceiling is around 12 feet. Pros and cons of using this kind of air-cond will be highly appreciated. Tq
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QUOTE(synex @ Feb 6 2014, 11:56 AM)
Hi..
Do you guys recommend of using those ceiling cassette air-cond? I'm planning to get one (2 hp)  for my new house where the height of the plaster ceiling is around 12 feet. Pros and cons of using this kind of air-cond will be highly appreciated. Tq
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3.6m high from ground level.

Cassette type good for nice looking, cons for difficult to accept when the drain pipe just been stuck or water bump break down.

From 2hp really smaller size, I don't think these enough for cooling as fast like those high-wall type.

My recommend you go for inverter type can be more power saving and cooling down more faster.

Even comparison on input watt from inverter use smaller energy input watt.
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Thanks kimsim,

Hmm.. what you said is right too... i wonder how they going to service the aircond if there is any leakage.

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