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ivan92
post Feb 5 2014, 02:45 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 4 2014, 06:10 PM)
How bout York, Acson, Media, Daikin, Mitsubishi Eletric, Mitsubishi heavy Industrial... And many more you can decide.

Panasonic and please decide to deluxe model or inverter.
Sharp should be quite normal as plasma cluster.
Hitachi would be higher BTU at 10000 but input watt also higher.
Samsung not really recommended.
York and Acson with daikin got more choice.
Media or Gree is china brand but also quite durable and cheaper price.
ME for non inverter or easy clean these is more cooler than other brand.
MHI no easy clean but also good brand behind ME.
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how about panasonic vs mitsubishi electric?

so far only see 2 shops around my area offer ME
feel like buy ME as i gonna buy ME fridge as well, plan to buy both fridge and air con at one shop to get better price
the price of ME inverter model is slightly higher than panasonic, but the tauke say ME cold down the room faster than panasonic? hmm.gif


2 unit 1HP and 1 unit 2HP for living room

my floorplan
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would my choice be sufficient enough?

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post Feb 5 2014, 09:00 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 5 2014, 02:55 AM)
Now you still got choices and think for it, why not go for ME? Pana too bored brand, unless they got really big jamp.

Your layout on 2 x 1 hp is ok position and just the Living hall too depth already, even 3hp and also not so efficient.

Try to relocate install bath room 2 upper wall of facing to corridor side and the drain can be easy drop inside bath 2.

Also on your study room door was open and inside also has free Aircon.

Because of the 2hp can be more strong airflow just slightly bend the grill on both end then on the Living hall & dinner area also can easy reach up.

Just is my opinion only.. If you have more idea and just follow your own.
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talked to the electrician that helping me doing the socket/heater point/ac point this afternoon
he suggested the same thing as you smile.gif

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install above the wall bath 2 and drain the water into either bath 1 or 2
i think 2HP/2.5HP should be sufficient as there's a fan near dining area
kitchen wont have too much heat as the stove was not inside the the unit
the dining area+kitchen+utility room will have sunlight on the afternoon-evening, so i gonna do put some tint film on the windows to reduce the heat

yeah, i also get bored with panasonic
all my relatives uses panasonic/national aircon and home appliances
so they all suggest panasonic to me

i noticed that ME give 2 years warranty on blower,and 5 years for outdoor unit
other brands give 1 year on blower +5 years on outdoor unit

spare parts wise, i was told that pana/york is widely available compared to ME hmm.gif
but when come to service the aircon, all are the same right? hmm.gif


regarding the 1HP aircon, i will use the aircon if the temperature is too uncomfortable, otherwise i will be using ceiling fan all the time
for the utility room, that room is for my sister and will be vacant as she's outstation for her studies, only come back to stay for 1 month, twice a year, so it will be a guest room i guess

worth to get inverter for the 2 * 1HP, or just get non-inverter model? should i go for inverter for the living hall as well?

QUOTE(oe_kintaro @ Feb 5 2014, 07:15 AM)
A lot of distance to the living for the 2HP wall mount to cover IMHO . Maybe a 2.5HP ceiling cassette in a more central location? Or you can keep the 2HP wall mount there and have another 1 HP one for your living.
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yeah, i realized that also
i gonna follow kimsim's suggestion
thanks for the input smile.gif
the thing is that the management limit 2 AC per unit, but i saw some unit got 3,
4 unit is not recommended by them, so i go for 3 split unit
if use 1 split unit 1.5HP + 1 system 3 (1HP+1.5HP+2HP), if the system 3's outdoor unit rosak = all 3 AC become useless sweat.gif

QUOTE(IceBikers @ Feb 5 2014, 07:34 AM)
how bout 1 hp at dining, and 1.5 hp beside the master bedrooom wall
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thanks for the suggestion, considered to put 2 unit in common area before smile.gif
but the thing is that the management limit 2 AC per unit, but i saw some unit got 3, so maximum is 3
gonna install the outside one in a more central location
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post Feb 6 2014, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Feb 5 2014, 09:35 PM)
That 2/2.5HP will end up do nothing. Just get a 2HP and install it in the living room. You won't really need it on dinning room.
Also, Panasonic already proven to be good, that's why your relatives all using it. Ask them a stupid question : do they failed fast?
To justify an inverter, if you are turning it on for minimum 10 hours a day, go for it. If short period of time, just the normal will do.
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i see
thanks for the input
decided to go with std type aircon
panasonic generally dont fail fast, but it doesnt mean that other brands are not good
ME's easy clean is one of the factor i took it into consideration



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post Feb 10 2014, 07:24 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 9 2014, 11:45 AM)
Close to 4 years didn't call for services and ask for clean out drain leakage or overfall.

you check with this model  rclxms.gif
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thanks for sharing smile.gif
the 2.5HP is used in your living room?
the shop quoted me 2.5HP inverter for 3.3k, how much you get yours?
i gonna take 2.5HP R22 type for living room due to short usage duration and the outdoor unit size was more or less the same with 2.0HP

anyway, i presume ME aircon are made in thailand?
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post Feb 10 2014, 07:50 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 10 2014, 07:32 PM)
Hi, mine is inverter type R410a believe me go for inverter unit.
Now 3.5 years already and price without install for Rm2900.

Yes nowadays ME are made in Thailand with top quality control, even SG also imported the same specs.

If you really short duration can be consider for 2hp inverter unit.

Don't waste money to pay more for TNB bill.
Buy new and install for one short only, and pain for every months to pay as higher bill for non inverter unit.
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2HP with 2 fan (plan to add one more fan later on) should be sufficient i guess
living room aircon will be turned on when having guests come over (5 hours+- max), and maybe 2-4 hours on really hot evening
i plan to use fan only whenever possible


so on average, how much is your monthly bill? and how many units of electric you used on average?
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post Feb 10 2014, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 10 2014, 08:04 PM)
I have 3 x 1hp & 2.5hp all inverter.
Usually for everyday operate on 1hp x 2 for around 8 hours at lease and 2.5hp from morning 10am till nighttime around 11-12am then stop.

I have inverter frigerator also and sometime using dryer when raining season.

My bill is around Rm300++ or below Rm300, cause using inverter min. Required set point at 25c really can feels like non-inverter 19c lol
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i see, your fridge also ME? or panasonic?
i plan to get a 5-star rated ME fridge as well

i guess my usage would be master bedroom 11PM-6AM daily
another bedroom will be empty, only occupied when my sister is around, or when having guest overnight, should be 8PM-morning occasionally
my living room is connected to dining area and kitchen, so i will install the bigger HP aircon as you recommended or see what the shop's/installer's suggestion on the installation location hmm.gif

i do understand about the 25C+auto setting condition, it's written on most inverter aircon brochure nod.gif
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post Feb 10 2014, 09:04 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 10 2014, 08:58 PM)
Mine is Panasonic Econavi inverter frigerator around 600 litter.

Actually like my house all link still can consider 2hp, but 2hp does not offer with auto swing left & right vent.
Then go for 2.5hp and never regretted.

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Best on 25c is your minimum set point, you can set below 23c then you can't sleep as well loh, these is cold until the wall become turning water marks or fogging at mirror.
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i see, so inverter aircon need to have specific A/C point?
or just normal A/C point?
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post Feb 10 2014, 09:13 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 10 2014, 09:07 PM)
Normal power point. Just note that inverter power supply from outdoor unit.
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outdoor unit as in? hmm.gif
means have to pull wire from indoor box to outside for outdoor unit?
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post Feb 10 2014, 09:19 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 10 2014, 09:15 PM)
Ya, at lease 2 ways wires from indoor to outdoor and from outdoor to control indoor unit.

Any issue from outdoor cut off 1st.
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i see, so i can ask my electrician to preinstall the wire first and then the aircon installer just plug it in?
or it had to done by the aircon installer?
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post Feb 10 2014, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 10 2014, 09:41 PM)
Anywhere the aircond shop also able to do for you.
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i see, so i will just ask the electrician to help me do normal A/C point
and the shop's aircon installer to do the indoor <-> outdoor wiring
any idea how much do they charge for the wiring job?

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post Feb 11 2014, 08:55 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 11 2014, 05:42 PM)
Seriously 4.5m x 4.5m still can fit in 1hp?

Die die must go for 1.5hp and no regret.

You just telling us, you driving kancil 660cc and fit in 5 adults and try to pull till end of accelerator to when up hill.
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sorry for noob question blush.gif

i got 2 rooms need to install aircon, one masterbed room about 12ft++ x 11ft++ x height not sure, 1 adult, window didnt exposed to sun all day, 1HP is sufficient? or i need to go for 1.5HP?

another room is 9.5ft++ x 7ft++ x height not sure, facing west, sunlight come in from window on afternoon until evening, will be insulated with curtain and tint film, 1 adult. 1HP is enough, right?

ME inverter vs york inverter, overall ME is better? hmm.gif
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post Feb 11 2014, 10:01 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 11 2014, 09:06 PM)
Anywhere your room size still able to install 1hp inverter unit.

ME definitely is better than York
Once is imported and one is local made.

If you install 1.5hp really overkill.

Unless your room size really bigger than 5m x 5m x 3m Height then go for 1.5hp.
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thanks, hopefully can get good price for ME aircon from the shop smile.gif
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post Feb 17 2014, 10:47 PM

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kimsim you mentioned before 1HP is sufficient for a 12++ft x 13++ft, about 15 square metre, so does Energy Star aircon BTU

ME 1HP inverter has about 8.8k BTU, which can cold up 300sqft of space according to the site, i believe it's more than enough for the room hmm.gif
ME 1.5HP inverter has nearly 11k, which i think it's overpower for the room, right?
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post Feb 17 2014, 11:04 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 17 2014, 10:54 PM)
8800 to 11000 btu is maximum.
Don't forget inverter is runs with variable speed everyday can be self adjusted of increase or decrease BTU from minimum to full load.

Inb4 I'm also worried on my ME inverter come with 8530 btu, but after installed it is really impressive of the cold air is blow out with quiet mode too.
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thanks, i saw it's 8871 Btu for 1HP model
maybe the tauke scare 1HP underpower then i go back complaint laugh.gif

i saw my uncle's house using 1 big evaporative air cooler in the living room, way colder than aircon
too bad my apartment dont have space for it, otherwise no need install aircon laugh.gif

anyway, your A/C point is standalone point or shared with other thing like water heater point/switch and light/fan switches?
because the tauke recommend me to separate it, while my contractor said no problem to combine together hmm.gif
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post Feb 17 2014, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 17 2014, 11:12 PM)
all sharing from main point, but main fuse can change to C32 at lease
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noted, will double check with the contractor for the C32 thing smile.gif

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post Feb 26 2014, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 26 2014, 12:33 PM)
Got layout plan?

Please show here, also quote from others installer and see how.

Take note, once the suction pump break down and all food.

my house for living + bedroom all going to toilet.  hmm.gif
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so all the water from different blowers go into a joint, then to toilet?
i plan to direct the water from master bedroom and living room into bathroom as well
this is the least visible method?


anyway, i picked ME inverter 1.5HP for my master bedroom
what's the distance between your 2.5HP condenser and your living room blower?
having headache for my living room blower position rclxub.gif
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post Feb 26 2014, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 26 2014, 09:31 PM)
my 2.5hp living hall not very far and side by side to my master bedroom wall only.
just the cooper pipes is around 5-6m long.

but the drain pipe existing concealed with older R22 gas pipes together to can't used already.

from my living and master bedroom would joint together and discharge to master bedroom toilet only.
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i see, your indoor piping is concealed in wall or plaster ceiling?


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post Feb 26 2014, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 26 2014, 10:01 PM)
gas pipe from wall to ceiling and drain pipe would going down to toilet.

lucky got video here

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looks good
the wall plug there is for what purpose?


would be easier in my case to put all wiring/piping go thought master bedroom to ourside
if that's the case, must make plaster ceiling, but might make the room looks 'shorter' in terms of height as the room is 9ft tall

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post Feb 26 2014, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 26 2014, 10:12 PM)
wall plug for used with both aircon on & off when i am self serving by own.

9ft to 10 - 12 ft still quite normal height from floor to ceiling.
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means it act as aircon point? hmm.gif

QUOTE(platinum_12 @ Feb 26 2014, 10:17 PM)
Then just hide it using cornice. Or just conceal it.
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both work well nod.gif
but i guess conceal would be easier hmm.gif
cut the wall, slot the pipes in, then patch it back, all done in one go

will take the cornice idea into consideration nod.gif
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post Feb 26 2014, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 26 2014, 10:31 PM)
Yes even every room have thier own A/C point for each Aircon power supply
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same thing with this?
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or need to have this switch + wall plug?

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