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post Feb 4 2014, 11:40 AM

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People tend to forget that inverter airconds are also more comfortable, especially in bedrooms. Temperatures do not fluctuate as much as non-inverter ones. Cooling is gentle and constant.

Inverters are also much quieter, especially the compressors. This is because they only need to run at a certain variable speed (usually lower than maximum), instead of starting and stopping at maximum speed. Sound level is important if you have your compressors near bedrooms. My A/C is installed back to back on my bedroom wall.

In the future, prices of inverter and non-inverters would narrow further, making inverters a more popular choice. We can debate until the cows come home on which is better, especially when we weigh in factor of price vs performance vs features. For me, if it's a bedroom, my choice would be an inverter.
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QUOTE(wdarke @ Feb 4 2014, 11:40 AM)
People tend to forget that inverter airconds are also more comfortable, especially in bedrooms. Temperatures do not fluctuate as much as non-inverter ones. Cooling is gentle and constant.

Inverters are also much quieter, especially the compressors. This is because they only need to run at a certain variable speed (usually lower than maximum), instead of starting and stopping at maximum speed. Sound level is important if you have your compressors near bedrooms. My A/C is installed back to back on my bedroom wall.

In the future, prices of inverter and non-inverters would narrow further, making inverters a more popular choice. We can debate until the cows come home on which is better, especially when we weigh in factor of price vs performance vs features. For me, if it's a bedroom, my choice would be an inverter.
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I agree! My Daikins are really quiet and you would be hard pressed to hear the compressors running from inside the house.
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QUOTE(oe_kintaro @ Feb 4 2014, 11:46 AM)
I agree! My Daikins are really quiet and you would be hard pressed to hear the compressors running from inside the house.
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That is reason why ppls choose over an inverter type to be save place.
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QUOTE(wdarke @ Feb 4 2014, 11:40 AM)
People tend to forget that inverter airconds are also more comfortable, especially in bedrooms. Temperatures do not fluctuate as much as non-inverter ones. Cooling is gentle and constant.

Inverters are also much quieter, especially the compressors. This is because they only need to run at a certain variable speed (usually lower than maximum), instead of starting and stopping at maximum speed. Sound level is important if you have your compressors near bedrooms. My A/C is installed back to back on my bedroom wall.

In the future, prices of inverter and non-inverters would narrow further, making inverters a more popular choice. We can debate until the cows come home on which is better, especially when we weigh in factor of price vs performance vs features. For me, if it's a bedroom, my choice would be an inverter.
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Now difference is about Rm200~400.
I doubt the cost will be narrow further, a little bit may be, but won't be too narrow.

As inverter air-cond needs to run at DC instead of AC, so a conversion mechanism is always needed, and IC for control the variables speed, which means extra cost to product these 2 items.

As to run at variable speed, you need DC.

The stronger factor that could drive inverter become more popular is higher cost of electricity tariff, whereby saving of inverter can easily outpaced the higher cost paid.
As currently, the higher cost of inverter only being recouped through considerably period of use through saving of electricity bill. So the drive for inverter is not so strong.


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post Feb 4 2014, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Feb 1 2014, 09:57 AM)
hi, i wanna know, if i only have a choice between, samsung,panasonic, sharp, hitachi, which brand should i go for? i dont have other brand around my hometown, that's the sad part.
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so anyone can help me with this? smile.gif
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Feb 4 2014, 05:55 PM)
so anyone can help me with this? smile.gif
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How bout York, Acson, Media, Daikin, Mitsubishi Eletric, Mitsubishi heavy Industrial... And many more you can decide.

Panasonic and please decide to deluxe model or inverter.
Sharp should be quite normal as plasma cluster.
Hitachi would be higher BTU at 10000 but input watt also higher.
Samsung not really recommended.
York and Acson with daikin got more choice.
Media or Gree is china brand but also quite durable and cheaper price.
ME for non inverter or easy clean these is more cooler than other brand.
MHI no easy clean but also good brand behind ME.
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 4 2014, 06:10 PM)
How bout York, Acson, Media, Daikin, Mitsubishi Eletric, Mitsubishi heavy Industrial... And many more you can decide.

Panasonic and please decide to deluxe model or inverter.
Sharp should be quite normal as plasma cluster.
Hitachi would be higher BTU at 10000 but input watt also higher.
Samsung not really recommended.
York and Acson with daikin got more choice.
Media or Gree is china brand but also quite durable and cheaper price.
ME for non inverter or easy clean these is more cooler than other brand.
MHI no easy clean but also good brand behind ME.
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as i mentioned my hometown doesnt have the luxury to choose other brand, so we can only buy watever offered by senq. thanks for the insight, most probably will get panasonic inverter series.
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Feb 4 2014, 05:55 PM)
so anyone can help me with this? smile.gif
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How bout York, Acson, Media, Daikin, Mitsubishi Eletric, Mitsubishi heavy Industrial... And many more you can decide.

Panasonic and please decide to deluxe model or inverter.
Sharp should be quite normal as plasma cluster.
Hitachi would be higher BTU at 10000 but input watt also higher.
Samsung not really recommended.
York and Acson with daikin got more choice.
Media or Gree is china brand but also quite durable and cheaper price.
ME for non inverter or easy clean these is more cooler than other brand.
MHI no easy clean but also good brand behind ME.
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Anywhere Singapore in it coming Sept. has been discontinued for R22 gas, I dunno good new or bad new for malaysia user.

Even non inverter also using R410A gas.

Just don't too surprise for non inverter set point as 19-20c to become whole room walls or paper box turn into water marks.
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 4 2014, 06:41 PM)
Anywhere Singapore in it coming Sept. has been discontinued for R22 gas, I dunno good new or bad new for malaysia user.

Even non inverter also using R410A gas.

Just don't too surprise for non inverter set point as 19-20c to become whole room walls or paper box turn into water marks.
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r410a is more efficient?
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Feb 4 2014, 06:46 PM)
r410a is more efficient?
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More cooler than R22
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post Feb 4 2014, 06:54 PM

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For those of you who are more technically inclined, here's some sharing smile.gif

http://fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/build02/PDF/b02186.pdf

A Comparison of an R22 and an R410A Air Conditioner Operating
at High Ambient Temperatures


The TLDR version: in an extreme use case (not necessarily applicable in Malaysia), i.e. extra high ambient temperature, R410A actually performs worse than R22, with greater loss of efficiency.



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QUOTE(oe_kintaro @ Feb 4 2014, 06:54 PM)
For those of you who are more technically inclined, here's some sharing smile.gif

A Comparison of an R22 and an R410A Air Conditioner Operating
at High Ambient Temperatures

The TLDR version: in an extreme use case (not necessarily applicable in Malaysia), i.e. extra high ambient temperature, R410A actually performs worse than R22, with greater loss of efficiency.
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R22 more slower when start up to cooling whole place.
Also used more energy with low pressure.

R410a higher pressure can be reach up more quicky to be cooling all the place and also more efficient for energy saving.
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 4 2014, 06:36 PM)
How bout York, Acson, Media, Daikin, Mitsubishi Eletric, Mitsubishi heavy Industrial... And many more you can decide.

Panasonic and please decide to deluxe model or inverter.
Sharp should be quite normal as plasma cluster.
Hitachi would be higher BTU at 10000 but input watt also higher.
Samsung not really recommended.
York and Acson with daikin got more choice.
Media or Gree is china brand but also quite durable and cheaper price.
ME for non inverter or easy clean these is more cooler than other brand.
MHI no easy clean but also good brand behind ME.
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What do you mean by York and Acson with daikin got more choice?7
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QUOTE(exkaizen @ Feb 4 2014, 09:54 PM)
What do you mean by York and Acson with daikin got more choice?7
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More budget on York & Acson with daikin is under one roof.
If wanna branded then go with daikin, if wanna lower class go for more common an York or Acson.

For me I go with York, maybe I like the brand. Lol

Just to compare from Acson remote control and York.
For me York design more expansive than Acson.

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 4 2014, 06:10 PM)
How bout York, Acson, Media, Daikin, Mitsubishi Eletric, Mitsubishi heavy Industrial... And many more you can decide.

Panasonic and please decide to deluxe model or inverter.
Sharp should be quite normal as plasma cluster.
Hitachi would be higher BTU at 10000 but input watt also higher.
Samsung not really recommended.
York and Acson with daikin got more choice.
Media or Gree is china brand but also quite durable and cheaper price.
ME for non inverter or easy clean these is more cooler than other brand.
MHI no easy clean but also good brand behind ME.
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how about panasonic vs mitsubishi electric?

so far only see 2 shops around my area offer ME
feel like buy ME as i gonna buy ME fridge as well, plan to buy both fridge and air con at one shop to get better price
the price of ME inverter model is slightly higher than panasonic, but the tauke say ME cold down the room faster than panasonic? hmm.gif


2 unit 1HP and 1 unit 2HP for living room

my floorplan
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would my choice be sufficient enough?

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QUOTE(ivan92 @ Feb 5 2014, 02:45 AM)
how about panasonic vs mitsubishi electric?

so far only see 2 shops around my area offer ME
feel like buy ME as i gonna buy ME fridge as well, plan to buy both fridge and air con at one shop to get better price
the price of ME inverter model is slightly higher than panasonic, but the tauke say ME cold down the room faster than panasonic? hmm.gif
2 unit 1HP and 1 unit 2HP for living room

my floorplan
user posted image
would my choice be sufficient enough?

thanks
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Now you still got choices and think for it, why not go for ME? Pana too bored brand, unless they got really big jamp.

Your layout on 2 x 1 hp is ok position and just the Living hall too depth already, even 3hp and also not so efficient.

Try to relocate install bath room 2 upper wall of facing to corridor side and the drain can be easy drop inside bath 2.

Also on your study room door was open and inside also has free Aircon.

Because of the 2hp can be more strong airflow just slightly bend the grill on both end then on the Living hall & dinner area also can easy reach up.

Just is my opinion only.. If you have more idea and just follow your own.

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QUOTE(ivan92 @ Feb 5 2014, 02:45 AM)
how about panasonic vs mitsubishi electric?

so far only see 2 shops around my area offer ME
feel like buy ME as i gonna buy ME fridge as well, plan to buy both fridge and air con at one shop to get better price
the price of ME inverter model is slightly higher than panasonic, but the tauke say ME cold down the room faster than panasonic? hmm.gif
2 unit 1HP and 1 unit 2HP for living room

my floorplan
user posted image
would my choice be sufficient enough?

thanks
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A lot of distance to the living for the 2HP wall mount to cover IMHO . Maybe a 2.5HP ceiling cassette in a more central location? Or you can keep the 2HP wall mount there and have another 1 HP one for your living.
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QUOTE(ivan92 @ Feb 5 2014, 02:45 AM)
how about panasonic vs mitsubishi electric?

so far only see 2 shops around my area offer ME
feel like buy ME as i gonna buy ME fridge as well, plan to buy both fridge and air con at one shop to get better price
the price of ME inverter model is slightly higher than panasonic, but the tauke say ME cold down the room faster than panasonic? hmm.gif
2 unit 1HP and 1 unit 2HP for living room

my floorplan
user posted image
would my choice be sufficient enough?

thanks
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how bout 1 hp at dining, and 1.5 hp beside the master bedrooom wall
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QUOTE(IceBikers @ Feb 5 2014, 07:34 AM)
how bout 1 hp at dining, and 1.5 hp beside the master bedrooom wall
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That is great idea also, cause you can decide to switch on either one or both if many guest.


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