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post Dec 4 2013, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(Brijesh @ Dec 4 2013, 03:20 PM)
Hi guys.

Good day to all of you. I just purchased :
Turtle Wax Zip Wash T75
Turtle Wax Polish compound T241A
Turtle Wax Paste Wax T223

My car is a 6 years old Silver Hyundai Getz. i have sponge, cloth, 2 micro fibre towels.

Do you guys mind to teach me step by step and what prduct and material to use at what stage..Means wax first or polish, how hard to polish or just wipe off. This is my first time.

Thank you in advance ya. =]
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what's your paintwork condition ? any image + close up image to share ?
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post Dec 4 2013, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(Brijesh @ Dec 4 2013, 03:20 PM)
Hi guys.

Good day to all of you. I just purchased :
Turtle Wax Zip Wash T75
Turtle Wax Polish compound T241A
Turtle Wax Paste Wax T223

My car is a 6 years old Silver Hyundai Getz. i have sponge, cloth, 2 micro fibre towels.

Do you guys mind to teach me step by step and what prduct and material to use at what stage..Means wax first or polish, how hard to polish or just wipe off. This is my first time.

Thank you in advance ya. =]
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Wash -> Clay(advisable) -> Wash again -> Dry(can clean interior while waiting for the car to be fully dried -> follow instructions on your polish then apply -(wait for it to dry)> remove polish (can do few times but if lazy then be like me do once) -> apply wax then wait for 30 minutes then remove

>> polish a lot harder than waxing

>> i have no idea on technique for polishing FYI

This post has been edited by xffght5829: Dec 4 2013, 03:31 PM
xffght5829
post Dec 4 2013, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(KrisMas @ Dec 4 2013, 01:00 PM)
You mentioned the swirls followed the directions you wipe. Does the direction of the swirl change if you wipe in another direction WITHOUT polishing again? If so, then it could just be that you didn't remove the polish properly and they're just streaks from the residual polish. It could also be that the mf cloth you're using was saturated with the polish. Have you tried changing to another clean cloth and see whether it makes any difference? You can also try wiping them off with the help of a quick detailer or water or even a *very* weak mix of dishwashing detergent+water.

Not sure which TW polishing compound you're using, but it could also be that it's a very coarse compound and if you're using too much of it, the access compound would be picked up by the mf cloth and acts as though you're 'polishing' instead of removing.

And btw, the mf cloth could also be the cause. The mf cloth comes in many grades and quality. I find that those that are commonly found in shopping centre aren't that 'friendly' with cars clear coat - can easily induce some swirls.

Another question I need to ask: did you apply any pressure while buffing off/removing the polish? You're not suppose to need much pressure. Not sure about the TW that you're using, but normally, if done correctly, most polishes just needed a gentle wipe to remove.

If you want to DIY, try doing some troubleshooting as above. Hopefully it's not because the paint is very soft and easily damaged. I haven't heard of Proton's paintwork to be that soft though....
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>> nope i can change the directions of swirls if i re-polish the area again(just tried LOL)
>>i apply a lot of pressure to remove polish :/
>> i apply polish w/ pad, remove excess with normal cotton cloth and wait for it to dry then i remove everything with microfibre cloth
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post Dec 4 2013, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(g88 @ Dec 4 2013, 03:24 PM)
what's your paintwork condition ? any image + close up image to share ?
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Hi there. Paintwork condition i think its not so good la. old car d. previously never polish / wax. Shine also fading jor. The car was passed on to me. I love cars and taking care of them. Image i will share soon. I dont know which product to use first. I am also worried to simply use the product as currently on the surface sure got alot stones, later i apply the polish, worry might make the whole thing into a disaster because it will carry out the stone and dirt and scratch the paint even worst.

Thanks for your attention. smile.gif
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post Dec 4 2013, 03:40 PM

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QUOTE(xffght5829 @ Dec 4 2013, 03:30 PM)
Wash -> Clay(advisable) -> Wash again -> Dry(can clean interior while waiting for the car to be fully dried -> follow instructions on your polish then apply -(wait for it to dry)> remove polish (can do few times but if lazy then be like me do once) -> apply wax then wait for 30 minutes then remove

>> polish a lot harder than waxing

>> i have no idea on technique for polishing FYI
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Hi ..

Yes, i think i will need to do clay as this car never polished before. Can you advise me where to buy ? how to buy and what type to buy ? laugh.gif
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post Dec 4 2013, 03:40 PM

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recently just started my diy detailing and found it is very interesting. bought black and decker kp600 polisher, because it is more gentle for a beginner like me? cause i read a lot review saying rotary polisher might damage car paint so i dont want to take the risk.

so my materials are Permanon Platinum pro pack, with brilliantshine shampoo and fusion x3, meguairs quik detailer, meguairs ultimate polish. my process goes like this (wash-clay-wash-polish-platinum coat first layer-fusion x3-platinum coat another layer.

i took 7 hours non-stop for an accord laugh.gif without realizing the time pass so fast.

but actually what i wanted to achieve is the mirror shine effect, and i am not achieving. is this because of the polishing part? i not dare to go too much for polishing yet because scare it will cause more scratchess.
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post Dec 4 2013, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(yuan415 @ Dec 4 2013, 03:40 PM)
recently just started my diy detailing and found it is very interesting. bought black and decker kp600 polisher, because it is more gentle for a beginner like me? cause i read a lot review saying rotary polisher might damage car paint so i dont want to take the risk.

so my materials are Permanon Platinum pro pack, with brilliantshine shampoo and fusion x3, meguairs quik detailer, meguairs ultimate polish. my process goes like this (wash-clay-wash-polish-platinum coat first layer-fusion x3-platinum coat another layer.

i took 7 hours non-stop for an accord laugh.gif without realizing the time pass so fast.

but actually what i wanted to achieve is the mirror shine effect, and i am not achieving. is this because of the polishing part? i not dare to go too much for polishing yet because scare it will cause more scratchess.
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Wow. 7 hours. When you do something you like, time just seems to pass by very fast right ? hope to see your before & after shots. blush.gif
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post Dec 4 2013, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(Brijesh @ Dec 4 2013, 04:51 PM)
Wow. 7 hours. When you do something you like, time just seems to pass by very fast right ? hope to see your before & after shots.  blush.gif
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i tried put the pictures in pc to compare but really not much different. maybe because the car paint still quite new? or the polishing not deep enough to create mirror shine? read a lot about orange peel leveling but seems too risky trying it.
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QUOTE(xffght5829 @ Dec 4 2013, 03:33 PM)
>> nope i can change the directions of swirls if i re-polish the area again(just tried LOL)
>>i apply a lot of pressure to remove polish :/
>> i apply polish w/ pad, remove excess with normal cotton cloth and wait for it to dry then i remove everything with microfibre cloth
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errr....hrrrmm....doesn't sound like you doing it right.

I google and found these:

http://www.turtlewax.com/shop/products/tur...ishing-compound

http://www.amazon.com/Turtle-Wax-T-241A-Po...d/dp/B0009JKGJ2

Is the 1st one the one that you're using? Or the one in a can? Either way, it's the same and judging by the description/instruction, I think you need to check your method/technique.

Polishing/compounding is for removing defects/swirls. If the TW polishing compound is meant for that, then you should be using it with the applicator pad with a little pressure (passion) to remove defects. Working on a small (around 1' x 1') area at a time, work the polish with a little bit of pressure then gently wipe off immediately after finished working it. Unless the instruction on the label says otherwise, that would normally be how to work a polish/compound. If you needed a lot of pressure to remove the polish, it's either you're using too much product or you're not working it correctly. You're not suppose to wait for it to dry.
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QUOTE(yuan415 @ Dec 4 2013, 03:40 PM)
recently just started my diy detailing and found it is very interesting. bought black and decker kp600 polisher, because it is more gentle for a beginner like me? cause i read a lot review saying rotary polisher might damage car paint so i dont want to take the risk.

so my materials are Permanon Platinum pro pack, with brilliantshine shampoo and fusion x3, meguairs quik detailer, meguairs ultimate polish. my process goes like this (wash-clay-wash-polish-platinum coat first layer-fusion x3-platinum coat another layer.

i took 7 hours non-stop for an accord laugh.gif without realizing the time pass so fast.

but actually what i wanted to achieve is the mirror shine effect, and i am not achieving. is this because of the polishing part? i not dare to go too much for polishing yet because scare it will cause more scratchess.
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I do something similar few weeks back but by hand and different products. Before start, it is a bit dull, swirls and scratches mark can be easily pick up by naked eye. After compound, the original color is back and most of the defects are not so visible. The shine will appeared after the coating and wax. You can separate the panel into half and compare the before and after.
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post Dec 4 2013, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(yuan415 @ Dec 4 2013, 03:40 PM)
but actually what i wanted to achieve is the mirror shine effect, and i am not achieving. is this because of the polishing part? i not dare to go too much for polishing yet because scare it will cause more scratchess.
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Slowly bro...slowly. In order to achieve the 'mirror-like' shine, you'd need to remove as much defects as possible. Megs Ultimate Polish and the B&D is a good start. That is quite a safe combination, but it's also a very mild one. Maybe you should try a few more rounds on a small section of the car and see whether you can improve or not. Again, the more defects you remove the flatter the clear coat would become and the shinier it would be. Don't worry about harming the paint. If the car is new or had never been polished/compounded before, you should be safe using that combination for quite a few more rounds.

QUOTE(yuan415 @ Dec 4 2013, 03:59 PM)
i tried put the pictures in pc to compare but really not much different. maybe because the car paint still quite new? or the polishing not deep enough to create mirror shine? read a lot about orange peel leveling but seems too risky trying it.
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You're quite right about removing orange peel. Only start thinking about that when you're confident that you are able to remove sanding marks.
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QUOTE(Brijesh @ Dec 4 2013, 03:20 PM)
Hi guys.

Good day to all of you. I just purchased :
Turtle Wax Zip Wash T75
Turtle Wax Polish compound T241A
Turtle Wax Paste Wax T223

My car is a 6 years old Silver Hyundai Getz. i have sponge, cloth, 2 micro fibre towels.

Do you guys mind to teach me step by step and what prduct and material to use at what stage..Means wax first or polish, how hard to polish or just wipe off. This is my first time.

Thank you in advance ya. =]
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Step 1 - wash & clean thoroughly
Step 2 - clay
Step 3 - wash (a simple one would do)
Step 4 - dry
Step 5 - polish with the TW Polishing Compound (with a little pressure) until you're satisfied (or too tired to continue.... sweat.gif ) and immediately *gently* wipe off
Step 6 - wash again (a simple one enough, I mean...the car is already clean right...)
Step 7 - dry
Step 8 - apply TW Paste Wax -> leave to dry -> buff off

If the car had never been clayed before or recently polished before, I DEFINITELY recommend to clay it.

Good luck.

ps. you'd most probably need more than one sponge; don't let the cloth come anywhere near the car and get a few more mf cloths..... tongue.gif
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post Dec 4 2013, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(yuan415 @ Dec 4 2013, 03:40 PM)
recently just started my diy detailing and found it is very interesting. bought black and decker kp600 polisher, because it is more gentle for a beginner like me? cause i read a lot review saying rotary polisher might damage car paint so i dont want to take the risk.

so my materials are Permanon Platinum pro pack, with brilliantshine shampoo and fusion x3, meguairs quik detailer, meguairs ultimate polish. my process goes like this (wash-clay-wash-polish-platinum coat first layer-fusion x3-platinum coat another layer.

i took 7 hours non-stop for an accord laugh.gif without realizing the time pass so fast.

but actually what i wanted to achieve is the mirror shine effect, and i am not achieving. is this because of the polishing part? i not dare to go too much for polishing yet because scare it will cause more scratchess.
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Car detailing is like a drug, once you are devoted into it, you are basically having car detailing addiction tongue.gif


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post Dec 4 2013, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(windskill @ Dec 4 2013, 04:44 PM)
Car detailing is like a drug, once you are devoted into it, you are basically having car detailing addiction tongue.gif
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laugh.gif Then form another group called Detailers Anonymous.
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QUOTE(KrisMas @ Dec 4 2013, 05:28 PM)
Slowly bro...slowly. In order to achieve the 'mirror-like' shine, you'd need to remove as much defects as possible. Megs Ultimate Polish and the B&D is a good start. That is quite a safe combination, but it's also a very mild one. Maybe you should try a few more rounds on a small section of the car and see whether you can improve or not. Again, the more defects you remove the flatter the clear coat would become and the shinier it would be. Don't worry about harming the paint. If the car is new or had never been polished/compounded before, you should be safe using that combination for quite a few more rounds.
You're quite right about removing orange peel. Only start thinking about that when you're confident that you are able to remove sanding marks.
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thanks for the advice, but compounding is different with polishing right? should i do compounding first before polishing?
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QUOTE(KrisMas @ Dec 4 2013, 04:40 PM)
Step 1 - wash & clean thoroughly
Step 2 - clay
Step 3 - wash (a simple one would do)
Step 4 - dry
Step 5 - polish with the TW Polishing Compound (with a little pressure) until you're satisfied (or too tired to continue.... sweat.gif ) and immediately *gently* wipe off
Step 6 - wash again (a simple one enough, I mean...the car is already clean right...)
Step 7 - dry
Step 8 - apply TW Paste Wax -> leave to dry -> buff off

If the car had never been clayed before or recently polished before, I DEFINITELY recommend to clay it.

Good luck.

ps. you'd most probably need more than one sponge; don't let the cloth come anywhere near the car and get a few more mf cloths..... tongue.gif
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Thank you very much dear friend. I need to learn about this CLAY process. not familair with it. i read saying that after apply polish, if got excess need to immediately wipe off, means shouldn't be too thick layer la ? this motion is in circular motion right ? i am all using hand, not machine wor.
Step 6 need to use car detergent wash again ? Step 8 buff means also wipe off in circular motion right ?

Another sponge for what ya ? to apply the polish / wax is it ? isn't it apply on the car with finger then wipe in circular motion ? Don't get which cloth come near the car ? 2 MF clothes are used to only wipe off the polish & wax separately right ?

Maybe we should do a TT so can enjoy pampering the car together. icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(Brijesh @ Dec 4 2013, 05:11 PM)
Thank you very much dear friend. I need to learn about this CLAY process. not familair with it. i read saying that after apply polish, if got excess need to immediately wipe off, means shouldn't be too thick layer la ? this motion is in circular motion right ? i am all using hand, not machine wor.
Step 6 need to use car detergent wash again ? Step 8 buff means also wipe off in circular motion right ?

Another sponge for what ya ? to apply the polish / wax is it ? isn't it apply on the car with finger then wipe in circular motion ? Don't get which cloth come near the car ? 2 MF clothes are used to only wipe off the polish & wax separately right ?

Maybe we should do a TT so can enjoy pampering the car together.  icon_idea.gif
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I'm a noobie also...but imo is better to use mf cloth to touch your car...especially on washing part...never use a rag or the old cloth as u might ended with scratching the car..

Step 1 - wash & clean thoroughly (sponge + 1 mf to dry off)
Step 2 - clay
Step 3 - wash (a simple one would do)
Step 4 - dry (use the same mf at #1)
Step 5 - polish with the TW Polishing Compound (with a little pressure) until you're satisfied (or too tired to continue.... sweat.gif ) and immediately *gently* wipe off (applicator pad + 1mf to buff off)
Step 6 - wash again (a simple one enough, I mean...the car is already clean right...)
Step 7 - dry (use the same mf as #1)
Step 8 - apply TW Paste Wax -> leave to dry -> buff off (applicator pad + 1mf)

Imo...minimum u have to use 3 mf cloth, 1 sponge, and 2 applicator pad...if u can use more clean mf is better smile.gif..maybe other pros here can correct me if the suggestion is wrong smile.gif

This post has been edited by haushinka: Dec 4 2013, 05:46 PM
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compounding, sanding (wet or dry) to remove orange peel or achieve mirror finishing is DEFINITELY not for noobie as it required understanding of product abrasiveness, use of pad and machine (combo), paintwork and clear coat behaviour and its need MANY MANY practice
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QUOTE(haushinka @ Dec 4 2013, 05:29 PM)
Imo...minimum u have to use 3 mf cloth, 1 sponge, and 2 applicator pad...if u can use more clean mf is better smile.gif..maybe other pros here can correct me if the suggestion is wrong smile.gif
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For an enthusiast, they will use washmitt (very particular) in washing instead using SPONGE as 99% of the swirl or scrat come from washing/drying (not to mention washing/drying technique)


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QUOTE(g88 @ Dec 4 2013, 05:58 PM)
For an enthusiast, they will use washmitt (very particular) in washing instead using SPONGE as 99% of the swirl or scrat come from washing/drying (not to mention washing/drying technique)
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Yes bro..u are right..i would rather use the mf cloth to wash the car compared to sponge.. So for bro brijesh...better buy lots of mf cloth or the washmitt hehehe

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