I will not expect the result to be exactly same as ONR since the price already almost half the price of ONR. You got it from Tesco? what is the price? is it RM30++? i saw it at JJ last time its RM50++ (pack with the MF Cloth)...but we have to use 4oz of TWRF per 2 gallon of water compared to 1oz of ONR...i guess if we take that into calculate...its still almost the same price as ONR (correct me if im wrong) =.=

Dun care about the usage since can scale down one.
Also dun buy from Ace. Tesco price about 30++.

Better to polish by hand or machine?

>>> If swirl marks appear after polishing, how to remove?
>>> Anyway to polish a car and leaving a smooth clear surface? no marks at all, just some tips on how to please

>>> Continue to polish until the swirl gone.
>>> Depend what product and what tool (ROB,DA,RB, Pad) you used. Different product will have different technique to breakdown the product.

REMEMBER, always start will mildest product upon surface preparation (tar removal, clayed)

Ace's price is too expensive. Tesco you can get it around RM35. Just bought it 2 weeks ago but haven't started using it. Online reviews said you can achieve the same result as ONR if you follow the instructions (4oz for 2 gallons).

Yeah, if you measure this way, the price is actually the same as ONR. The great thing is that you can get TWRF easily in Tesco compared to ONR.

This post has been edited by windskill: Dec 3 2013, 10:13 PM

Do let us know the result, I'm considering this or ONR. ONR in gallon packing is much cheaper compare to 32oz packing.

Sure, no problem. Probably will try that this coming weekend or next weekend. Hopefully my noob iPhone 4 can capture the difference haha.

Yeah, the gallon packing of ONR is cheaper. Initially, I bought TWRF because I wanted to use it as clay lube. But I don't think I can't find any free time to do the complete wash->clay bar->polish->wax/sealant->LSP. So, clay lube experiment have to delay till next year mid January probably.

where to buy a gallon of ONR ?

I apply with pad and remove w/ microfibre cloth but the swirl marks follows on how I remove the polish, if i do circular motion then swirld marks, if i do up down then up down scratches appear :/ I tried many different techniques but somehow still the same is it the polish? FYI i used turtle wax polishing compound, clayed and washed before polish too, just very puzzled here

Can share what car, year and color please.

Blue saga 1.6 FLX 2013

Possible the product that i highlighted might have worsen the surface since 'compound' is very abrasive product. As for your swirl might, could be due to product is not fully breakdown and you buff off thats why the swirl 'follow' your movement....

thanks for info mind recommending me any reasonably priced polish brand and where i can get it

Dun give up and upsad give. I would suggest you let sifu have a look and they should able to remove it with few drop from there product (dun buy keep product)...

Awaiting KrisMas sifu organise TT.

Noted with thank you really appreciate it.

You mentioned the swirls followed the directions you wipe. Does the direction of the swirl change if you wipe in another direction WITHOUT polishing again? If so, then it could just be that you didn't remove the polish properly and they're just streaks from the residual polish. It could also be that the mf cloth you're using was saturated with the polish. Have you tried changing to another clean cloth and see whether it makes any difference? You can also try wiping them off with the help of a quick detailer or water or even a *very* weak mix of dishwashing detergent+water.

Not sure which TW polishing compound you're using, but it could also be that it's a very coarse compound and if you're using too much of it, the access compound would be picked up by the mf cloth and acts as though you're 'polishing' instead of removing.

And btw, the mf cloth could also be the cause. The mf cloth comes in many grades and quality. I find that those that are commonly found in shopping centre aren't that 'friendly' with cars clear coat - can easily induce some swirls.

Another question I need to ask: did you apply any pressure while buffing off/removing the polish? You're not suppose to need much pressure. Not sure about the TW that you're using, but normally, if done correctly, most polishes just needed a gentle wipe to remove.

If you want to DIY, try doing some troubleshooting as above. Hopefully it's not because the paint is very soft and easily damaged. I haven't heard of Proton's paintwork to be that soft though....

How can we know whether our paint is hard or soft type?

Not sure how to answer that one. Some say you can roughly tell how hard/soft the clear coat is by the gloss it produce - the softer ones are glossier than the harder clear. Maybe the pros who detail cars day-in-day-out have a better say. But for me, I can only tell when I'm trying to remove defects or finishing. It was quite a task to finish hologram/swirl free on the soft clear of my friend's Vios whereas it took quite a few passes of a compound with a wool pad to remove some minor swirls on a Z4 that we once did a DIT. But, in general, the small community of detailers do share some info on how soft/hard the paint is on those cars that they've worked on. I'm just relaying the info.....

based on my experience. Soft CC should easy to do correction vs Hard CC. Majority of modern car is on soft/thin clear coat.

Again it also depend what sort of defect + product abrasiveness

Hi guys.

Good day to all of you. I just purchased :
Turtle Wax Zip Wash T75
Turtle Wax Polish compound T241A
Turtle Wax Paste Wax T223

My car is a 6 years old Silver Hyundai Getz. i have sponge, cloth, 2 micro fibre towels.

Do you guys mind to teach me step by step and what prduct and material to use at what stage..Means wax first or polish, how hard to polish or just wipe off. This is my first time.

Thank you in advance ya. =]