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Investment 4 Critical Signs of a Bubble Market, Property Investment
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MishimaZ
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Dec 18 2013, 02:36 PM
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» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « QUOTE(jolokia @ Dec 18 2013, 12:22 PM) I would say currently developer r "over" profit, though I am not sure is there such terminology, just look at their profit figures 30% increase every quarter, despite building less house compare to 2012 yet their profit keep getting higher, even car dealer, college, software company, under garments manufacturer join in developing houses. Their cost is actually getting lower & lower, as the selling price getting higher & higher, imagine same launch but can suddenly jack up within weeks of launching. Anyone believe their "Story" ? ..lol If cost increase in line with selling price, isn't profit margin should be the same ? remind me of sugar price increased 20sen per kilo, 1 glass of teh tarik also increase 20sen, so it take 1kg sugar to make 1 glass teh tarik ? ..lol House is meant for consumption (people to live) not for speculating (gambling) ..sigh (who is listening ?) until the flipper burn their hand then cry for government help...lol Real life scenario... worked for a developer (quite well known) and this is what he say to us (we are the consultants in fact): "Aiya, build cannot sell no problem one... Contractors and consultants will be 'buyers' on what we built tak laku lah..."Already happened to a few of their projects. Last last building contractor yang bankrupt and consultant in debts but developers still developing. Contrary on popular beliefs, construction materials are actually still cheap just that many were misled with fake news which causes condos to go up to RM1m. Might as well use the 1m to buy a 7k to 10k square feet land and build your own 2k square feet mini bungalow with that spacious land to upgrade or bercucuk tanam man. Really can't brain with those BBB condo craze when you are paying so much for a box and divided land. Have to agree that house are for staying not speculating. Nak speculate, speculate la on the shophouses or businesses. Malaysians really many tak takut mati one.
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plumberly
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Dec 18 2013, 02:37 PM
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Dec 18 2013, 02:12 PM) Bank Negara formulates new measurement for BLR in 2014KUALA LUMPUR: Bank Negara Malaysia (BNM) is formulating a new interest rate framework for the measurement of the Base Lending Rate (BLR) next year to further enhance the country's financial system. Governor Tan Sri Dr Zeti Akhtar Aziz said BNM would issue a consultative paper outlining the new reference rate framework to the industry in early January next year, as it needs to adjust and progress towards better serving the economy. "Of late, there have been indications that the BLR as a reference rate has become less relevant. "It has therefore become less meaningful as a basis for the pricing of loans. Retail lending rates on new loans being offered by the industry are at a substantial discount to the BLR," she told reporters after the launch of the Asian Banking School here today. Zetri said the BLR is the key element in the financial intermediation process and needs to be improved in term of its efficiency, for the banking industry to continue to meet the ultimate objectives for its existence. - Bernama Ya, sounds to me like using better efficiency and improvement front/excuse to increase the BLR. Very politically smart. My 2 cents.
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ts1
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Dec 18 2013, 02:39 PM
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it is a myth that building materials have risen tat much compare to the prices of house..
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sendomike
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Dec 18 2013, 02:39 PM
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QUOTE(MishimaZ @ Dec 18 2013, 03:36 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «
Real life scenario... worked for a developer (quite well known) and this is what he say to us (we are the consultants in fact): "Aiya, build cannot sell no problem one... Contractors and consultants will be 'buyers' on what we built tak laku lah..."Already happened to a few of their projects. Last last building contractor yang bankrupt and consultant in debts but developers still developing. Contrary on popular beliefs, construction materials are actually still cheap just that many were misled with fake news which causes condos to go up to RM1m. Might as well use the 1m to buy a 7k to 10k square feet land and build your own 2k square feet mini bungalow with that spacious land to upgrade or bercucuk tanam man. Really can't brain with those BBB condo craze when you are paying so much for a box and divided land. Have to agree that house are for staying not speculating. Nak speculate, speculate la on the shophouses or businesses. Malaysians really many tak takut mati one.  not sure how much land costs these days, but shops at prime areas go well into the million range. i'm staying at metroview, wangsa maju and the shoplot downstairs is selling for 5 mil.. crazy expensive
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MishimaZ
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Dec 18 2013, 03:05 PM
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QUOTE(sendomike @ Dec 18 2013, 02:39 PM) not sure how much land costs these days, but shops at prime areas go well into the million range. i'm staying at metroview, wangsa maju and the shoplot downstairs is selling for 5 mil.. crazy expensive  Then buy a less prime place and wait til the area was developed? That is what really smart people do... Not throw themselves mortgaging their homes/houses in order to secure an unrealistic loan? My uncle bought his shophouse at Cheras Makhota at RM750k that time, nobody could even think it will be what it is now. Easily can sell RM1.5m last year.... price keep up and up but he had never plan to sell since he has easy holding power (his condo at SG rented out at SGD6k/month). When asked how he made it, he just say buy when you can really afford, not buy so that you can afford - he's a late financial boomer (long story as he never take unnecessary risks) but that is what you get when you wait he says. Some people can have a middle man's pay with a few properties in line but I don't see how a RM5k salaryman can live on RM2m loans that was running on rental? If economic downturn siapa yang kena dulu?
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SUSjolokia
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Dec 18 2013, 03:13 PM
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QUOTE(MishimaZ @ Dec 18 2013, 03:05 PM) Some people can have a middle man's pay with a few properties in line but I don't see how a RM5k salaryman can live on RM2m loans that was running on rental? If economic downturn siapa yang kena dulu? I know someone who bought a few shop lot in Rawang many years ago went bankrupt, as the shoplot literally growing grass..lol
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puchongite
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Dec 18 2013, 04:16 PM
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Dec 18 2013, 03:13 PM) I know someone who bought a few shop lot in Rawang many years ago went bankrupt, as the shoplot literally growing grass..lol What a waste ! Convert them to bird nest breeding home man ! Kakaka.
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SonicKimi88
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Dec 18 2013, 04:19 PM
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Dec 18 2013, 04:16 PM) What a waste ! Convert them to bird nest breeding home man ! Kakaka. Is not going to be cheap to convert it and that also no guarantee on return for this investment..some said is depend on your luck...
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puchongite
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Dec 18 2013, 04:23 PM
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QUOTE(SonicKimi88 @ Dec 18 2013, 04:19 PM) Is not going to be cheap to convert it and that also no guarantee on return for this investment..some said is depend on your luck... I thought this thing is already evolved into franchise business surely they have mastered the science of it ???
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Kevin Chan
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Dec 18 2013, 04:32 PM
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Dec 18 2013, 04:23 PM) I thought this thing is already evolved into franchise business surely they have mastered the science of it ??? if hat area is not in the path of the swiflet food and lodgement ... how to have birdnest ? really think open the boombox gonna attract bird in meh ?
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TiramisuCoffee
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Dec 18 2013, 04:39 PM
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QUOTE(MishimaZ @ Dec 18 2013, 02:36 PM) "Aiya, build cannot sell no problem one... Contractors and consultants will be 'buyers' on what we built tak laku lah..."
Already happened to a few of their projects. Last last building contractor yang bankrupt and consultant in debts but developers still developing.
Interesting. Can you elaborate on how the contractors n consultants became buyers? My contractor friend was given a few units to pay for his services when developer tarak wang. Rotting away, those units cos it's a no one wants punya location.
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TiramisuCoffee
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Dec 18 2013, 04:44 PM
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QUOTE(SonicKimi88 @ Dec 18 2013, 04:19 PM) Is not going to be cheap to convert it and that also no guarantee on return for this investment..some said is depend on your luck... They say when u are ong / lucky only , birds will come to you. No luck, can't attract 'bird' lah!  Cerita Benar.
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SUSInF.anime
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Dec 18 2013, 04:46 PM
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QUOTE(TiramisuCoffee @ Dec 18 2013, 04:44 PM) They say when u are ong / lucky only , birds will come to you. No luck, can't attract 'bird' lah!  Cerita Benar. I only attract girls.. not bird
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puchongite
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Dec 18 2013, 04:46 PM
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QUOTE(TiramisuCoffee @ Dec 18 2013, 04:44 PM) They say when u are ong / lucky only , birds will come to you. No luck, can't attract 'bird' lah!  Cerita Benar. I am a man of science I don't subscribe to such pitch.
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puchongite
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Dec 18 2013, 04:47 PM
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QUOTE(InF.anime @ Dec 18 2013, 04:46 PM) I only attract girls.. not bird Maybe your armpit got special elements. Cerita benar. LOL.
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MishimaZ
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Dec 18 2013, 05:09 PM
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QUOTE(TiramisuCoffee @ Dec 18 2013, 04:39 PM) My contractor friend was given a few units to pay for his services when developer tarak wang. Rotting away, those units cos it's a no one wants punya location. Lol you just answered it. We called this practice as contra.
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Maneki-neko
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Dec 18 2013, 05:16 PM
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QUOTE(InF.anime @ Dec 18 2013, 04:46 PM) I only attract girls.. not bird
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katijar
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Dec 18 2013, 05:17 PM
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now contractors smart oledi, they ask for "progressive payment" according to the % completion ... No?
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Maneki-neko
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Dec 18 2013, 05:19 PM
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QUOTE(satrianeo-x @ Dec 18 2013, 11:27 AM) How much profit are you looking at? Well, If i were the developer, i would buy a cheap land bank far far away from KL town, say Pajam, and develop low cost flats / apartments with condo facilities  Price below RM 100k per unit
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MishimaZ
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Dec 18 2013, 05:25 PM
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QUOTE(katijar @ Dec 18 2013, 05:17 PM) now contractors smart oledi, they ask for "progressive payment" according to the % completion ... No? Depends on agreement.
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