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Investment 4 Critical Signs of a Bubble Market, Property Investment

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lucerne
post Nov 17 2013, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Nov 16 2013, 09:48 PM)
Hong Kong has one of the world’s lowest birth rates—1.11 per woman of child-bearing age asof 2012, far below the replacement rate of 2.1.
With just 1,032 babies born in 2009 to every 1000 fertile women, it is estimated that 26.8% of the population will be aged 65 or more in 2033, up from 12.1% in 2005.

Speculation,  money laundering,  black money, underworld king ping turn developer.

Another fake demand like previous oil crisis which proven to be a scam.
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hk strong housing demand mainly driven by the rich china mainlanders. it is happening since 1900's
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post Nov 17 2013, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(lucerne @ Nov 17 2013, 09:25 AM)
hk strong housing demand mainly driven by the rich china mainlanders. it is happening since 1900's
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1900's China still under Qing Dynasty..lol

1990's U mean ?

Driven by black money actually, China no.1 black money & 2nd place ahemm...u know lah . blink2

Eventually price will come down as history repeat it self no exception, last one who get time bomb will suffer dearly.

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post Nov 17 2013, 10:12 AM

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In malaysia no need to study charts, research one. As long as banks are giving out 90% margin at the current blr every tom d*** harry mat kumar and ah lim can BBB. Jst wait till blr increases and loan margin reduced then we reopen this topic

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QUOTE(SantaBarua @ Nov 17 2013, 10:12 AM)
In malaysia no need to study charts, research one. As long as banks are giving out 90% margin at the current blr every tom d*** harry mat kumar and ah lim can BBB. Jst wait till blr increases and loan margin reduced then we reopen this topic
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Concurred with you, historically, property market boom is fueled by easy bank loan. The crunch will come when bank loan is tighten or rise in interest rate.

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QUOTE(manapergi @ Nov 17 2013, 05:19 AM)
He didn't bankrupt if you know how business works. He has many companies and cash, he just need to bankrupt the below to avoid paying USD23M. The cash in this company is still with him not to mention the money from other companies.

R. kiyosaki bankrupted this company to avoid paying his partner, show r. kiyosaki is not a honourable person to be a partner.

QUOTE(manapergi @ Nov 17 2013, 05:19 AM)
I have seen a director get his company listed in KLSE and the share shoot from RM0.20 to RM2 then become RM0 (bankrupt) but he became few x richer.

You have a lot to learn.

QUOTE(lucerne @ Nov 17 2013, 09:22 AM)
i know ex mca president, tan koon swan did that. now he is a tycoon in china. guess he is very happy living in china
maybe they are many biz man did that, we know only those famous ppl.
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Stock market is a zero sum game, innocent investors lost their money/saving by these swindles, these people are white collar criminals should be jailed like Bernie Madoff.

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Nov 15 2013, 11:48 AM)
It wont get closed if everybody can comment in a mature manner. Articles and discussions like these are meant to educate.
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rclxms.gif Agreed. IF this forum can be any beneficial, both spectrum of the matter must be discussed freely without being put-down. Extreme of either sides can only lead to irrational exuberance or irrational fear. shocking.gif

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QUOTE(limch @ Nov 15 2013, 01:20 PM)
People will always complain the high price of property. In fact, people never stop complaining about high prices. They all regret ten year later that they did not buy. This story repeats and repeats. Study the history, learn from the history.

For own stay, ability to hold is the key because the value of the house will remain unlock unless you sell the house.

People are getting wiser. Gone is the low share prices during economic meltdown.
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In my humble opinion, this is the "fear" that got ppl to commit to high priced property. The idea that property price can ONLY go up creates an urgency to buy NOW or else.

Sometimes, the unlocking effect comes by desperation or coercion when interest rate increases and debtor cannot pay their monthly installments. Foreclosure in short. rclxub.gif

Any market may it be real estate or stocks fluctuates with time. It is a matter of the frequency and magnitude.

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 16 2013, 03:21 PM)
Where are the foreign buyers in these development? Too cheap for them to consider?
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I believe foreigners are cautious after the increase in RPGT. Majority of them are investors and flipping even faster than any local investors here.

If these foreigners are international players, I believe they already positioned themselves in USA and Europe after the sub-prime crisis. Or worst, hovering around like vultures for the next property bust in Asia.


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Any signs that are easily detected by lay-man? 😎

Empty units? Minimum lighted units in condo?
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Nov 15 2013, 11:34 AM)
I think the bubble is already here. Its just a matter of when and how bad the burst is gonna be. Some areas may experience major drops in prices while others may only experience stagnation.
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What about the supply of houses more than the demand of houses? Some houses the like double storey link subsales selling very high comparing with Developer housing project SP Setia DSL.
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Nov 17 2013, 09:39 AM)
1900's China still under Qing Dynasty..lol

1990's U mean ?

Driven by black money actually,  China no.1 black money & 2nd place ahemm...u know lah . blink2

Eventually price will come down as history repeat it self no exception, last one who get time bomb will suffer dearly.
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u dun read history kah?
u know sun yat sen n gang era or not?
even "china daily" is established in HK. they r so many chinese living in hk during the period.
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QUOTE(hondaracer @ Nov 17 2013, 11:57 AM)
Any signs that are easily detected by lay-man? 😎

Empty units? Minimum lighted units in condo?
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tnb should publish the data of empty units. eg how many units are zero reading for 1 year. if they are some usage within 6 months mean the owners may use this prop as holiday or temporary stay when visit KL.
some countries did publish this data and it is very helpful for investors/home buyers.
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When people are buying 1mil ++ for pieces of bricks, cement and glass in the sky at Sentul you know a bubble is in the making.
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post Nov 17 2013, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(kamilnu @ Nov 17 2013, 03:04 PM)
When people are buying 1mil ++ for pieces of bricks, cement and glass in the sky at Sentul you know a bubble is in the making.
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Explain more please. wink.gif
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QUOTE(lucerne @ Nov 17 2013, 12:46 PM)
u dun read history kah?
u know sun yat sen n gang era or not?
even "china daily" is established in HK. they r so many chinese living in hk during the period.
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hahaha speechless, I am quite sure Sun Yat Sen is refer as father of Taiwan though he study in Hong Kong, too much HV sitcom is bad for u...lol

Talking about Mainland China investors/speculators/flipper not people of China origin, if so all Malaysians chinese r too China people.

Only during the 80's - 90's lot of Bao Fa Hu from mainland china start to "invest' heavily in HK properties, thus create Bubble, China r quite poor after ww2, only by 70s & 80s huge investment pour in thus create lots of instant Bao Fa Hu & Da Kuan, not forgetting rich relative of gov officer.

What did teach children in school nowadays. ..sigh
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QUOTE(lucerne @ Nov 17 2013, 12:54 PM)
tnb should publish the data of empty units. eg how many units are zero reading for 1 year. if they are some usage within 6 months mean the owners may use this prop as holiday or temporary stay when visit KL.
some countries did publish this data and it is very helpful for investors/home buyers.
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Taiwan actually had such data, during the peak of their properties bubbles, there r 1.55 millions home with zero electricity consumption over a period of time, recently the figures is at 1.48 millions.
Clear sign of bubble.

Too bad as usual we will not have these data, In fact we don't even allowed to publish car sales data base on brand & model (even Africa country published the car sales data but we don't. .lol )

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Nov 17 2013, 03:53 PM)
Taiwan actually had such data,  during the peak of their properties bubbles, there r 1.55 millions home with zero electricity consumption over a period of time,  recently the figures is at 1.48 millions.
Clear sign of bubble.

Too bad as usual we will not have these data, In fact we don't even allowed to publish car sales data base on brand & model (even Africa country published the car sales data but we don't. .lol )
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Dun blame coz we dun hv gomen, we are different.. wink.gif
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Nov 17 2013, 03:53 PM)
Taiwan actually had such data,  during the peak of their properties bubbles, there r 1.55 millions home with zero electricity consumption over a period of time,  recently the figures is at 1.48 millions.
Clear sign of bubble.

Too bad as usual we will not have these data, In fact we don't even allowed to publish car sales data base on brand & model (even Africa country published the car sales data but we don't. .lol )
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Current Malaysia education don't teach students to gather data, analyse and decide hence most people rely on and believe hearsay without substantiation, and easy to hoodwink.

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Yup this thread is heating up. Unfortunately, shooting of the tangent. sad.gif
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QUOTE(manapergi @ Nov 17 2013, 05:40 PM)
If property investment can be learnt from a uni lecturer that earns few k a month then obviously that theory doesn't work otherwise the lecturer won't be where he is now.

with all due respect.
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Silly thinking. Form five teacher teaches physics but is not a noble prize winner. Therefore his lessons are useless? Education opens your mind, it doesnt give you solutions. Off tangent here, sorry.

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