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Investment 4 Critical Signs of a Bubble Market, Property Investment

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puchongite
post Dec 12 2013, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(prody @ Dec 12 2013, 02:05 PM)
1) Basic plan

When you buy the stock set a stop-loss target.
This means if the price goes down a certain level (5-10%) you will sell the share.

Before you buy you also set a take profit target.
This means when you hit that price you will sell the share.

If stock goes up you can adjust your stop loss and take profit targets.

2) Stick to the plan.

It's best to paper trade before throwing in real money.
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Haha no wonder I never able to sell off my shares.

When stock price goes up, my profit targets also go up. LOL.
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post Dec 12 2013, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Dec 12 2013, 01:32 PM)
Agree... nod.gif

6 mil plus can buy good commercial lot already...

but nowadays for good commercial the yield is less than 4%...might as well put in FD....
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Pros n cons. One can c the greater appre in cap for holding long enuf. Regardless of market boom. Its greater than any resi in the past 20 yrs. In fact I'm stil holding 1 unit LH which aged 21yrs. Price offered so far is x5. No special case. Just the trend. Sold 1 last yr with x4 the ori price holding 15yrs.

Of cos some resi might oledi hit x3 holding few yrs. But how much is the rental along the way. Maintenance to up keep the unit??? I din spend much cos tenants hav done it to their liking. The more they reno, the higher the value. And they won't simply run away due to high investment in reno. Diff fr resi tat owners need to hav ff for higher rental for which is a factor to the total investment value. The investment into ff is not sthg falling fr sky like rain.

Holding it long enuf enable few rounds of increment in rental and recovery of huge portion of loan amount. By the time u sell, some oledi debt free. All money go into pocket rather than loan settlement. It wont b a fantastic moment along the way waiting for the fruit. Flipping is a skim cepat kaya. Quite diff species for both.
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post Dec 12 2013, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Dec 12 2013, 01:51 PM)
Blue chips also cannot ?
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I won't touch for now.
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post Dec 12 2013, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(prody @ Dec 12 2013, 02:05 PM)
1) Basic plan

When you buy the stock set a stop-loss target.
This means if the price goes down a certain level (5-10%) you will sell the share.

Before you buy you also set a take profit target.
This means when you hit that price you will sell the share.

If stock goes up you can adjust your stop loss and take profit targets.

2) Stick to the plan.

It's best to paper trade before throwing in real money.
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stop-lost don't work during a free fall of stock. trading happen when your price match the asking price.

lets say you stop lost at RM10 while the panic market lelong at RM9, your trade will never happen since they need to match all the RM9 stock first before doing your RM10 stock ... then people lelong at RM8.

you need to be in the market to actively change your price ... and of course your broker/remiser need to be able to key it in fast enough ... .. .

profit taking target would work, since your price will be lowest during an up trend ... you be bust stopping the sell and waiting for better price.

market going either way, its not good for your blood pressure. vmad.gif
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post Dec 12 2013, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(prody @ Dec 12 2013, 01:51 PM)
For buying shares you need to:
1) Have a plan
2) Stick to the plan whatever happens

I also paid my tuition fees already. smile.gif
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Welcome to the gang! My tuition fee was very expensive laugh.gif
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post Dec 12 2013, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(prody @ Dec 12 2013, 01:53 PM)
Most probably no actual profit, 9 years of inflation will take a big bite out of it.
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Not only the inflation, the interest actually kills.
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QUOTE(Kevin Chan @ Dec 12 2013, 02:16 PM)
stop-lost don't work during a free fall of stock. trading happen when your price match the asking price.

lets say you stop lost at RM10 while the panic market lelong at RM9, your trade will never happen since they need to match all the RM9 stock first before doing your RM10 stock ... then people lelong at RM8.

you need to be in the market to actively change your price ... and of course your broker/remiser need to be able to key it in fast enough ... .. .

profit taking target would work, since your price will be lowest during an up trend ... you be bust stopping the sell and waiting for better price.

market going either way, its not good for your blood pressure.  vmad.gif
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I hv read abt a master trader's story, real one. The pressure and attention required is not for ordinary people. If u want to do it part time, u will be the lowest of their food chain.
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Dec 12 2013, 02:04 PM)
All sort of lands r usually gd. Agri land is cheap and if abke to convert into commi or ind title, price ll b sky high. Ind land in some ulu place oso giving gd return. Even bkt tak untung oso make some millionaires for owners tat hold on to it and hav fate to it. Of cos many ll shout tat for the last few yrs all props up. But look at those houses in bkt tak untung if u know wat I mean.
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Hi ManutdGiggs,

Thank you so much for your advice! rclxm9.gif

Are there really ready market for land? Is there a possibility there would be no buyer when I'm ready to sell, say a decade later. tongue.gif ( Sorry for such noob questions!) Thinking harder, hold land also means no passive income until I sell it off .. Any idea how much land price appreciates on the average ( 10 years holding period ) vs a residential property. Just give approximate. Wanna get a feel of these only.

Btw, where can I start searching for land sale? Land office? ( another stupid question, I know! blush.gif ) tongue.gif

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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Dec 12 2013, 02:15 PM)
I won't touch for now.
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What about penny stocks?

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post Dec 12 2013, 02:33 PM

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People usually go and buy stocks which got rumours and then quickly sell it off once the rumours are confirmed true or untrue.

This post has been edited by puchongite: Dec 12 2013, 02:33 PM
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QUOTE(TiramisuCoffee @ Dec 12 2013, 02:24 PM)
Hi ManutdGiggs,

Thank you so much for your advice!  rclxm9.gif

Are there really ready market for land? Is there a possibility there would be no buyer when I'm ready to sell, say  a decade later.  tongue.gif  ( Sorry for such noob questions!)  Thinking harder, hold land also means no passive income until I sell it off .. Any idea how much land price appreciates on the average ( 10 years holding period ) vs a residential property. Just give approximate. Wanna get a feel of these only.

Btw, where can I start searching for land sale? Land office? ( another stupid question, I know! blush.gif ) tongue.gif
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For the % of appre, guess abang edyek should answer u on tis part. Yes they might b time tat u r not able to dispose even after 20 yrs + no passive income as u mentioned. Tats y many earn big bucks in land and oso kantoi if chosen wrong land.

Btw no Q is noob Q. Guess u r experienced investor here. Just maybe diff portfolio. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(TiramisuCoffee @ Dec 12 2013, 02:30 PM)
What about penny stocks?
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These r what I call TOTO stock. It is for fun only. And prody's plan works wonder here.
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post Dec 12 2013, 04:15 PM

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Foreigner buying makes up to 16% of KL properties transactions in 2012. Most are from china and japan. Singapore rank no 3. With 1 million cap, anybody think it will come down ?

Government's strategy is to avoid foreigner competing with locals in under 1 million segment. Will they still come ?

Meaning that most transaction, especially condo, will be btw malaysians in 2013. Got buyer ah ?
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post Dec 12 2013, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(Kevin Chan @ Dec 12 2013, 02:16 PM)
stop-lost don't work during a free fall of stock. trading happen when your price match the asking price.

lets say you stop lost at RM10 while the panic market lelong at RM9, your trade will never happen since they need to match all the RM9 stock first before doing your RM10 stock ... then people lelong at RM8.

you need to be in the market to actively change your price ... and of course your broker/remiser need to be able to key it in fast enough ... .. .

profit taking target would work, since your price will be lowest during an up trend ... you be bust stopping the sell and waiting for better price.

market going either way, its not good for your blood pressure.  vmad.gif
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For any investment and plans you make in life, scenarios can occur in which the plan does not work.

Then you have to improvise. smile.gif
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post Dec 12 2013, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Dec 12 2013, 02:36 PM)
For the % of appre, guess abang edyek should answer u on tis part. Yes they might b time tat u r not able to dispose even after 20 yrs + no passive income as u mentioned. Tats y many earn big bucks in land and oso kantoi if chosen wrong land.

Btw no Q is noob Q. Guess u r experienced investor here. Just maybe diff portfolio.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Hey, Abang Edyek, where are you? Can help answer my question?

Hi ManutdGiggs, thanks again for your reply. No le, not much experience. Trying to learn from learned members such as yourself. smile.gif BTW, what's kantoi? tongue.gif I read another funny jargon in a non investment thread in this forum- piak piak her. - means what that means, huh? tongue.gif



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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Dec 12 2013, 02:40 PM)
These r what I call TOTO stock. It is for fun only. And prody's plan works wonder here.
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hi gspirit01,
Why is it called Toto stock? 5 sen go up 1 sen oledi 20% profit. Not bad wooh... more than good fun, if we can tembak correctly? Any good stock to recommend, huh? wink.gif
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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Dec 12 2013, 04:15 PM)
Foreigner buying makes up to 16% of KL properties transactions in 2012.  Most are from china and japan. Singapore rank no 3. With 1 million cap, anybody think it will come down ?

Government's strategy is to avoid foreigner competing with locals in under 1 million segment. Will they still come ?

Meaning that most transaction, especially condo, will be btw malaysians in 2013. Got buyer ah ?
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With only 1m cap, government managed to make locals compete with foreigners for a piece of our own midrange properties. High end should be 2m+, IMHO. Not really a lot of $ when they buy using foreign currency ..

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QUOTE(TiramisuCoffee @ Dec 12 2013, 05:04 PM)
hi gspirit01,
Why is it called Toto stock? 5 sen go up 1 sen oledi 20% profit. Not bad wooh... more than good fun, if we can tembak correctly? Any good stock to recommend, huh?  wink.gif
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It is cheap and chances of wining is low. If win, can win big. This is y i call TOTO.
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QUOTE(TiramisuCoffee @ Dec 12 2013, 04:55 PM)

piak piak her. -  means what that means, huh? tongue.gif
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Lol. Luckily u didn't ask me.

Just curious, what is ur gender and age ?
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post Dec 12 2013, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Dec 12 2013, 04:15 PM)
Foreigner buying makes up to 16% of KL properties transactions in 2012. Most are from china and japan. Singapore rank no 3. With 1 million cap, anybody think it will come down ?

can u share where u got this from, link?

this is the 1st time i read such a statistic.

becos so far, i only read official figures - less than 2% bought by foreigners. just "kl", maybe higher but 16%... really?


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