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Investment 4 Critical Signs of a Bubble Market, Property Investment

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gspirit01
post Jan 7 2014, 06:08 PM

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QUOTE(Wiredx @ Jan 7 2014, 05:43 PM)
There is a shortage - of affordable housing. There is an oversupply of high-priced condos. Building more high end condos will not solve the shortage.
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U are right. Even developers think this way now.
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post Jan 7 2014, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(Martinis @ Jan 7 2014, 05:11 PM)
"Bukit kiara properties Tong warns measures to cure speculation will slow down the property market which is not good when increasing the supply of property should be encouraged. The likely scenario is a sharp spike in price once the market rebounds."
As i have said repeatedly, there is a SHORTAGE.
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post Jan 7 2014, 06:26 PM

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QUOTE(Wiredx @ Jan 7 2014, 05:43 PM)
There is a shortage - of affordable housing. There is an oversupply of high-priced condos. Building more high end condos will not solve the shortage.
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+1 On that.

What we need is affordable housing for everyone. Not overpriced property 'hyped' by some greedy property owner's and real estate agents to lure ordinary folk into paying through their noses for it.

We now have condos at the edge of town like in Selayang (Near Templers Park) going for Rm500 to Rm600k. rclxub.gif

I think people should start moving out of town to be able to afford houses in the future.

Couple with Barang Naik (BN) now to stay, I would reckon it wouldnt look good.

This post has been edited by TOMEI-R: Jan 7 2014, 06:30 PM
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post Jan 7 2014, 06:29 PM

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QUOTE(Wiredx @ Jan 7 2014, 05:43 PM)
There is a shortage - of affordable housing. There is an oversupply of high-priced condos. Building more high end condos will not solve the shortage.
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Affordable house is tax payer responsibility ever since it been set at 400K by PR1MA. shakehead.gif

QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Jan 7 2014, 06:06 PM)
Looking at all those threads and replies, i realised that i previously way undersestimated the "demands" for prop investment.  I was right, with many people here, that the price spikes were due to investment speculation. However, I never realised until recently that how ignorant these so called investors are on the prop investment knowledge. Everywhere I see,

"Wah, invest prop make so much lah!"
"This one can invest or not ?"
"Prop price can go up only nia"
"This one sure go up"

Come on lah, at least learn how to evaluate lah. If can't calculate loan interest, principal remains, rental yield, how can one evaluate ? Many masters already stopped buying or buy only when there is a good deal. All those half cooked can't wait to jump in.    sweat.gif
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You r not suppose to use your brain when flipping property, just blindly buy & blindly flip, "sure" make money one (someday). thumbup.gif

After calculating recent property price & rental yield sure you wouldn't buy. rolleyes.gif

I just saw a 2 storey terrace in Cheras asking for 380-400K with rental expected below RM 1000/month. doh.gif

When i read people is trying to refinance their newly bought house to cash in to flip another house, i know Bubble burst shouldn't be too long. whistling.gif

This post has been edited by jolokia: Jan 7 2014, 06:39 PM
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post Jan 7 2014, 07:10 PM

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QUOTE(MishimaZ @ Jan 7 2014, 04:05 PM)
Still didn't answer my question leh.... Prestigious or not?

Want compare to those few that commutes to the majority that drive to work meh? Full parking outside LRT station comparable to the number of vehicles that pass by Jalan Loke Yew every morning ah? You think you only Cheras guy ah?? Or just migrate here then anyhow claim sendiri Cheras guy ah?

Good if you have no regrets la, hopefully you really benefited to refute what I saw at a certain new condo la...  thumbup.gif

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Keyword: If it happens.

In short the current property pricing boom was due to speculation.
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My parents house semi D here got 3 cars. Two siblings of mine go to work everyday using lRT. U know what u talk about or not? U know how near lrt is to most banks in KL? I am maluri guy la not cheras guy. Never consider myself cheras guy.

IPretigous? Whatever u say lah. If not prestigous, i dont care. Got an apartment that is convenient to go anywhere.
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post Jan 7 2014, 07:13 PM

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QUOTE(Wiredx @ Jan 7 2014, 05:43 PM)
There is a shortage - of affordable housing. There is an oversupply of high-priced condos. Building more high end condos will not solve the shortage.
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Not only that, we hv too many "investors" in the market. All these high ends were affordable just 3 or 4 yrs back.
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post Jan 7 2014, 07:21 PM

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Jan 7 2014, 06:29 PM)
When i read people is trying to refinance their newly bought house to cash in to flip another house, i know Bubble burst shouldn't be too long.  whistling.gif
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I read this as well. Some of them bought their house less than 5 yrs. This will mean they will be paying two "new" house, instead of one new, one old. rclxub.gif
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Offtopic a bit: while we argue price UUU or DDD, bubble burst or not, please remember that true wealth is not just in monetary value. Property flippers making money until people can't afford a roof over the head may produce broken families and higher crime rate. What's the use of having a lot of wealth when a lot of people around you are trying their best to get it off from you ? So don't forget to invest in people, in developments that sustain a healthy society (school, soup kitchens, orphanage) and infrastructure (transportation). In my opinion property should be only an egg or two of many in your investment basket.
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QUOTE(Wiredx @ Jan 7 2014, 05:43 PM)
There is a shortage - of affordable housing. There is an oversupply of high-priced condos. Building more high end condos will not solve the shortage.
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Problem being many sub par flat masquerading as high end condos these days.
Lousy pigeon hole with no selling point priced at RM1000 psf people still buy because in comparison they are affordable.



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post Jan 7 2014, 07:49 PM

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QUOTE(sleekx @ Jan 7 2014, 07:40 PM)
Offtopic a bit: while we argue price UUU or DDD, bubble burst or not, please remember that true wealth is not just in monetary value. Property flippers making money until people can't afford a roof over the head may produce broken families and higher crime rate. What's the use of having a lot of wealth when a lot of people around you are trying their best to get it off from you ? So don't forget to invest in people, in developments that sustain a healthy society (school, soup kitchens, orphanage) and infrastructure (transportation). In my opinion property should be only an egg or two of many in your investment basket.
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Property has been the most profitable investment (speculative) instrument for the past few years due to the power of leverage, little or no money down, DIBS.

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post Jan 7 2014, 07:50 PM

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QUOTE(cranx @ Jan 7 2014, 07:45 PM)
Problem being many sub par flat masquerading as high end condos these days.
Lousy pigeon hole with no selling point priced at RM1000 psf people still buy because in comparison they are affordable.
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I totally agree with you.

Now all new projects,mall selling more than RM 1000 psf.. Sub standard but at that prices.

Scary..

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post Jan 7 2014, 08:18 PM

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QUOTE(chengcheng @ Jan 7 2014, 07:50 PM)
I totally agree with you.

Now all new projects,mall selling more than RM 1000 psf.. Sub standard but at that prices.

Scary..
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Yeah it would be worth something if those flats were fitted with some top end fittings instead of generic stuff
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QUOTE(Wiredx @ Jan 7 2014, 08:18 PM)
Yeah it would be worth something if those flats were fitted with some top end fittings instead of generic stuff
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500-600sf 2 room 1 bathroom selling 400K, paying commercial rate electric & water, named service residence, sharing parking lot with shopper, located at the edge of KL surrounding by illegal factory & recycle centre, bad air quality, noisy enviroment, madness jam during peak hour.

Some how I feel that is a cheap apartment on top of shop lot which used to cost less than 120K 5-6 years ago.
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Guys.. anyone bavk from work KL ah.. today mini land slide at mahemeru.. must be a pain right.. from pwtv toviva mall requires 1 hour 30 minutes...
Today I bet sure many cursing like hell.. either heading to rawang direction or even to the south setemban link..

Thanks to our friendly developers.. now everyone can flip.. (formerly thanks to Tony Fernandrz.. now everyone can fly) those staying semenyih will need at least 3 hours to reach from Klcc.. look at this the dev and flippers told you how near semenyih.. seri pajam and echo hill( which highly will be echoing among thrmsrlves once completed).. only 45 minutes away.. come on.. u flippers try it..

also dont forget our friendly neighbourhood.. ya KL SOUTH which is equally far.. prudent house owners.. open eyes big big.. flippers dun just simply buyy.. drstroying market when you guys flip..

the rise in construction matetisls were perpetrated by you all.. the contractors after seeing you bagging 350 k.. of course they will share some.. in actual fact even cinstruction price up.. it still does not justified the flip ftom 440k to 780k when the units you F lippers bought is already COMPLETED...

however.. affordable housing is what we needd
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post Jan 7 2014, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 7 2014, 09:51 PM)
Guys.. anyone bavk from work KL ah.. today mini land slide at mahemeru.. must be a pain right.. from pwtv toviva mall requires 1 hour 30 minutes...
Today I bet sure many cursing like hell.. either heading to rawang direction or even to the south setemban link..

Thanks to our friendly developers.. now everyone can flip.. (formerly thanks to Tony Fernandrz.. now everyone can fly) those staying semenyih will need at least 3 hours to reach from Klcc.. look at this the dev and flippers told you how near semenyih.. seri pajam and echo hill( which highly will be echoing among thrmsrlves once completed).. only 45 minutes away.. come on.. u flippers try it..

also dont forget our friendly neighbourhood.. ya KL SOUTH which is equally far.. prudent house owners.. open eyes big big.. flippers dun just simply buyy.. drstroying market when you guys flip..

the rise in construction matetisls were perpetrated by you all.. the contractors after seeing you bagging 350 k.. of course they will share some.. in actual fact even cinstruction price up.. it still does not justified the flip ftom 440k to 780k when the units you F lippers bought is already COMPLETED...

however.. affordable housing is what we needd
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ecohill really ho sher loo..

once inp take over may be like alam sari got ccc no water meter...


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post Jan 7 2014, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 7 2014, 09:51 PM)
Guys.. anyone bavk from work KL ah.. today mini land slide at mahemeru.. must be a pain right.. from pwtv toviva mall requires 1 hour 30 minutes...
Today I bet sure many cursing like hell.. either heading to rawang direction or even to the south setemban link..

Thanks to our friendly developers.. now everyone can flip.. (formerly thanks to Tony Fernandrz.. now everyone can fly) those staying semenyih will need at least 3 hours to reach from Klcc.. look at this the dev and flippers told you how near semenyih.. seri pajam and echo hill( which highly will be echoing among thrmsrlves once completed).. only 45 minutes away.. come on.. u flippers try it..

also dont forget our friendly neighbourhood.. ya KL SOUTH which is equally far.. prudent house owners.. open eyes big big.. flippers dun just simply buyy.. drstroying market when you guys flip..

the rise in construction matetisls were perpetrated by you all.. the contractors after seeing you bagging 350 k.. of course they will share some.. in actual fact even cinstruction price up.. it still does not justified the flip ftom 440k to 780k when the units you F lippers bought is already COMPLETED...

however.. affordable housing is what we needd
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Someone has the photo for the slide!

https://forum.lowyat.net/uploads/attach-53/...-1389103942.jpg
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post Jan 8 2014, 01:18 AM

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Still got ppl in other threads tink set8a echo hill property will jumo to 700k.. even srnenyih tiara east can fly to 1 million.. well done.. next upcoming bukit beruntung...
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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Jan 7 2014, 11:51 PM)
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QUOTE(Wiredx @ Jan 7 2014, 05:43 PM)
There is a shortage - of affordable housing. There is an oversupply of high-priced condos. Building more high end condos will not solve the shortage.
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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Jan 7 2014, 06:08 PM)
U are right. Even developers think this way now.
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QUOTE(Maneki-neko @ Jan 7 2014, 06:15 PM)
Agree  rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(TOMEI-R @ Jan 7 2014, 06:26 PM)
+1 On that.

What we need is affordable housing for everyone. Not overpriced property 'hyped' by some greedy property owner's and real estate agents to lure ordinary folk into paying through their noses for it.

We now have condos at the edge of town like in Selayang (Near Templers Park) going for Rm500 to Rm600k. rclxub.gif

I think people should start moving out of town to be able to afford houses in the future.

Couple with Barang Naik (BN) now to stay, I would reckon it wouldnt look good.
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Granted that even there is a shortage of affordable houses but :-

1. This is nothing new.
2. The developers have no plans to fill the gap for it.

Good times or bad times the developers are not interested in it.
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jan 8 2014, 07:58 AM)
Granted that even there is a shortage of affordable houses but :-

1. This is nothing new.
2. The developers have no plans to fill the gap for it.
 
Good times or bad times the developers are not interested in it.
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No problem.. the existing SOLD but vacant .. is more than enough to hold the market..

actually you just want to address the developers issue I.e they will not bother bad times and demand.. right only.. meaning.. coming projects also exoensive lor.. right...

so if you dont buy now.. then sure property naik right.. so must BBB right.. affordability issue wise.. u agree with us THAT IS IS OVERPRICED and flipping business is OUT of hand..

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