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post Jan 5 2014, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(tikaram @ Jan 5 2014, 02:33 PM)
My relative who is uk pr thinking of buying a unit klcc property when back to kl during chinese new year now thinking not buying because of the arabic allah wording issues now.

wasting my enegy get him so many brouches.

Anyone also have such encounter?
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Some of my friends stop buy kl prop also n want to sell off. now concentrate on Australia Melbourne property only. They see better future there WOR. N they already PR there.
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QUOTE(HELLO HELLO @ Jan 5 2014, 03:40 PM)
Some of my friends stop buy kl prop also n want to sell off. now concentrate on Australia Melbourne property only. They see better future there WOR. N they already PR there.
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I see. So got such effect due to political things la.

Like that how UUU?

I also happen got a relative bought your wotp.

she is auditor working with qatar petroluem in dukham

dont know u know her or not.

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QUOTE(tikaram @ Jan 5 2014, 02:46 PM)
I see. So got such effect due to political things la.

Like that how UUU?

I also happen got a relative bought your wotp.

she is auditor working with qatar petroluem in dukham

dont know u know her or not.
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No worry!!! Lol..small percentage only. Not everyone can buy oversea. Still got many stuck here... Heard some friends from big corporate..many of their coleg started to whack cheras and serdang area. And some ada sui abit go whack mk n city centre Liao.

And ada banyak expat from China whack kl prop also 100% fully paid off by cash. Coz their homeland city house too expensive for them.

And the China government servant laundry money now transfer to HK to a so call "investment company" at hk n part of the money will come here to fry fry fry. 1 of my friend now dealing with them the HK "investment company". He still thinking want to accept the deal or not.

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post Jan 5 2014, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(Wiredx @ Jan 5 2014, 10:39 AM)
See, no one will ever admit theyre bull. But their arguments indicate they go in one direction.
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Very true tongue.gif
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From my analysis, subsale property market has started cooling down in mid 2013. This year we will see new development price climbing slower. New launch price going down is unlikely though with rising construction cost.
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below is latest "market" situation - from developers' perspective mostly.

u decide what they are really saying.

well, wat wud they say if it's actually hothothot bbbb like some are still saying?

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M'sians holding back on the purchase of property

Posted on 05/01/2014 - 17:05

Joseph Wong

PETALING JAYA: Malaysians appear to be holding back on the purchase of property while owners are hesitating to sell, instead taking a wait-and-observe stance that is reminiscent of the period prior to the general election in May last year.

The cooling-down measures announced in Budget 2014 and those taken by Bank Negara Malaysia to end special schemes offered by developers like the developer interest-bearing scheme (DIBS) appear to have slowed down the market.

And, in the wake of the recent revision of real property gains tax (RPGT) under the Budget, there is a substantial leap in tax rates which will drastically affect sellers if they dispose of their property within five years from the purchase date.

As for new property – what developers noticed last month was that while buyers were willing to place a refundable booking fee of RM10,000 for a property, they were not too concerned about rushing their loan approvals to meet the DIBS deadline of Dec 31, 2013.

This move has struck developers as unusual because it was assumed that buyers would make the last-minute dash to secure the DIBS.

Bukit Kiara Properties Sdn Bhd co-founder and group MD Datuk NK Tong says home buyers appear to be holding back due to uncertainty in the property market.

This market sentiment, coupled with the government’s cooling measures, will stall sales for at least until Chinese New Year, he says.

“The buying mood is not there for the time being. There is a lot of uncertainty,” says Tong, adding that in every dark cloud, there is a silver lining.

“Buyers become more discerning in times of uncertainty and that is good for us,” he says.

And that is because of the many value-added features to Bukit Kiara Properties’ offerings like that of Verve Suites – which comprise four towers, namely Viva, Vibe, Vogue and Vox – that will make the developer’s property more appealing to others.

Buyers will make comparisons in uncertain times and Bukit Kiara Properties already has a good reputation with its many value-added features, he says, citing Verve Suites’ Sky Beach.

Tropicana Corp Bhd’s sales team has also noted the cautious trend. A source close to the property developer admits that buying interest is there but getting would-be buyers to commit to the purchase is another story.

During the launch of its latest property, the Paloma service residences and courtyard villas, which is phase two of the 37.2ha Tropicana Metropark, over a third of the property was booked by buyers.

“However, we do not consider it a sale until the sale and purchase (S&P) agreement has been signed,” says the source.

“It could be the coming holidays. With Christmas, New Year’s Day and school holidays, many buyers are away on vacation so it is hard to get them to commit to the sale at the moment,” he adds.

For sub-sales, a property agent says owners who are selling their property right now are those who have owned it for more than five years, so they are unaffected by the RPGT.

“Those whose properties are under five years are hesitant to sell right now for fear that they will lose a substantial amount of their investment,” he says.

From Jan 1, 2014, for property sold within three years of purchase, the RPGT is raised to 30%. Until Dec 31, property disposed of within the first two years are subject to 15% tax and those disposed of during the third year, a 10% tax.

For property sold during the fourth year, the rate has been increased to 20% and for those sold in the fifth year, 15%. Only disposals in the sixth year and beyond are RPGT-free. Companies will still be required to pay a RPGT of 5% even after the fifth year.

However, interest in owning a home is still strong despite buyers’ concern over rising prices.

The property agent believes that the slowdown in the property market is short term.

“Some buyers are waiting to see if price will drop or to see what will replace the DIBS, whether it is in terms of add-ons like free furnishings and appliances or other attractive measures,” he says.

Bukit Kiara Properties’ Tong says property prices will continue to rise despite the measures to curb speculation because demand still outstrips supply.

“The measures will slow down the property sector, which is not good when increasing the supply of property should be encouraged,” he says.

By slowing down the property market, the likely scenario is a sharp spike in prices once the market rebounds, he warns.

Property prices will always rise but it would be better if the rise is steady rather than the sharp spikes that Malaysia has been experiencing, he says.

The property agent predicts the possibility that owners may hike up the selling price of their property to offset the higher RPGT that they would have to pay.

If this happens, it will further push up property prices, he says, adding that the government measures are meant to stop speculation and slow the hike in prices but it appears that it may have the reverse effect.

“This will hurt the market and the buyers as they may be forced to bear the brunt of the increase in the RPGT,” he says.
http://www.theantdaily.com/news/2014/01/05...rchase-property

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post Jan 5 2014, 06:54 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jan 5 2014, 08:36 AM)
Talk=no talk.
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Haha.... What hav I talk?
However even if my talk=no talk, it's still better than some talk=bias/misleading.... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Wiredx @ Jan 5 2014, 10:39 AM)
See, no one will ever admit theyre bull. But their arguments indicate they go in one direction.
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Didn't admit UUU but didnt show DDD and buying.... Nothing wrong.....
Worst type, didnt admit UUU but strongly declare DDD and buying.....
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QUOTE(HELLO HELLO @ Jan 5 2014, 02:51 PM)
No worry!!! Lol..small percentage only. Not everyone can buy oversea. Still got many stuck here...  Heard some friends from big corporate..many of their coleg started to whack cheras and serdang area. And some ada sui abit go whack mk  n city centre Liao.

And ada banyak expat from China whack kl prop also 100% fully paid off by cash. Coz their homeland city house too expensive for them.

And the China government servant laundry money now transfer to HK to a so call "investment company" at hk n part of the money will come here to fry fry fry. 1 of my friend now dealing with them the HK "investment company". He still thinking want to accept the deal or not.
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Wow that very kind of to inform buyer should buy fast 2 before those rich China buyer come in any suggestions which "particular" project or subsales we should "concentrate" on ??
I also 'heard" a big group of buyer from Alaska, Artic & Greenland is very keen on buying Malaysia properties they complain their igloo is too small & cold, looking for a tropical country to stay during winter... lol
I am in the mid to set up a company to bring them here...rofl

This year most big corp give 300% pay rise & 24 months bonus so even their dispatch boy can afford 1 million ringgit property..wakakaka


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Any one out there who monitors the number of weekend advertisements -house/apartment for sale and for rent?

Thinking of doing that to get a feel on the RE market. Share the work and we review here?

Cheerio.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 5 2014, 06:39 PM)
below is latest "market" situation - from developers' perspective mostly.

u decide what they are really saying.

well, wat wud they say if it's actually hothothot bbbb like some are still saying?
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Great read bro, thx for sharing!
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QUOTE(plumberly @ Jan 5 2014, 08:05 PM)
Any one out there who monitors the number of weekend advertisements -house/apartment for sale and for rent?

Thinking of doing that to get a feel on the RE market. Share the work and we review here?

Cheerio.
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Aiyoh bros nowadays people check websites like iproperty, ptopwall, propertyguru lah ! newspaper outdated lah, star property classified online maybe, very little people buy & read newspaper lah, online fast & free mah.
Advertised on newspaper targeting old folks to buy meh ? ...lol

But I do noticed nowadays iproperty also not much offer, mostly same old unit advertised for years over & over again but no takers, either real estate too easily sold no need advertising or advertised also no taker so hang fang.



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Sadly, it is as u all guessed, my gen like to spend for 'want' rather for 'need'. Have you ever see a post "finally bought a house for investment" by my gen? Mostly is about cats, works and starbucks.

I think we will go into stagnation before sudden price hike before a price crash. This is definitely a definition for bubble.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 5 2014, 06:39 PM)
below is latest "market" situation - from developers' perspective mostly.

u decide what they are really saying.

well, wat wud they say if it's actually hothothot bbbb like some are still saying?
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Simple really...like everyone in this thread, UUU will say it will go up, DDD will say it goes down.

In short, wait lah, we should get a clearer picture by mid this year.l.
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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Jan 5 2014, 08:42 PM)
Simple really...like everyone in this thread, UUU will say it will go up, DDD will say it goes down.

In short, wait lah, we should get a clearer picture by mid this year.l.
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It's like going to durian farm & walk under durian tree, you should ditch the moment you hear wind sound created by torn of falling durian, if you wait till you see the durian probably it will landed on your head...wakakaka

Buy mid of the year if price increase DDD camp would say by 2015 sure fall as GST implementation people no money, if price fall UUU camp sure said by 2015 GST implementation price sure go up as building materials price increased.

Forever people are waiting to see what they wish for become reality.

My guess pretty much similar to yugimudo, Stagnant, price sudden increase then fall/crash aka classic Bubble senario.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 5 2014, 06:39 PM)
below is latest "market" situation - from developers' perspective mostly.

u decide what they are really saying.

well, wat wud they say if it's actually hothothot bbbb like some are still saying?
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Thanks for sharing.
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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Jan 5 2014, 08:42 PM)
Simple really...like everyone in this thread, UUU will say it will go up, DDD will say it goes down.

In short, wait lah, we should get a clearer picture by mid this year.l.
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Maybe big swap ler. Those ddd finally give up waiting and join uuu camp n bbb. N the uuu camp felt the fear n turn become DDD camp. End up the dulu DDD help to push up the 2014 property market.

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I think, that is why timing the market is not even realistic sad.gif

Maybe the bubble already formed, but not yet reach its max size. Or the bubble are at specific area, not Malaysia as a whole. Those properties in Seremban is quite promissing as long as Senawang retain its factory.
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If anyone is interested in housing bubble in the US, maybe you should read this book on property chapter. http://www.cite.com.my/product_info.php?products_id=245748


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post Jan 5 2014, 10:55 PM

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Guys check out bandar mahkota cheras section 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 and 8.. many movements there 4 auction double storey old one 20 x 65 at 350k.. subsale 420 k to 480 k all negotiable..hmmm sg long as well

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