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Investment 4 Critical Signs of a Bubble Market, Property Investment

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gspirit01
post Jan 5 2014, 11:03 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 5 2014, 10:55 PM)
Guys check out bandar mahkota cheras section 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 and 8.. many movements there 4 auction double storey old one 20 x 65 at 350k.. subsale 420 k to 480 k all negotiable..hmmm sg long as well
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Thanks ! That area started softening since last year.
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post Jan 5 2014, 11:20 PM

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The price is just right for the area. Affordable if i want to buy one there but i prefer still taman maluri. So i went for an apartment thats nearer to the banking industry in KL. Taman maluri is such a place. I wont buy at sg long or kajang.

Location location location. If you want to stay at a convenient place, then fork out the money to buy the property instead of whining it is not affordable because in the end there is a 350k house out there that is far away from KL if you want one.

This post has been edited by AmayaBumibuyer: Jan 5 2014, 11:23 PM
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post Jan 5 2014, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(AmayaBumibuyer @ Jan 5 2014, 11:20 PM)
The price is just right for the area. Affordable if i want to buy one there but i prefer still taman maluri. So i went for an apartment thats nearer to the banking industry in KL. Taman maluri is such a place. I wont buy at sg long or kajang.

Location location location. If you want to stay at a convenient place, then fork out the money to buy the property instead of whining it is not affordable.
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We anticipate price to fall.. then go on and snap affordable properties which reflect the actual market.. not those bought 430k then flip to 780k.. after e yearscompletion..

I disagree forking out money to buy overpriced property.. I should never like that.. the last I check with you u bought amanya and dimisses the importance whether it yeilds any rents.. you say you are a long te investor amd likealuri very much.. maybe

ask some q..

will you buy a 2 room 545 sq studio at rm 680k? Now.. for investment or even stay ?

Affordability issue has long went out of hands when you joint the caravan of property flippers.. dun be mad we shall rationally rationalize this issue..

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post Jan 5 2014, 11:48 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 5 2014, 11:31 PM)
We anticipate price to fall.. then go on and snap affordable properties which reflect the actual market.. not those bought 430k then flip to 780k.. after e yearscompletion..

I disagree forking out money to buy overpriced property.. I should never like that.. the last I check with you u bought amanya and dimisses the importance whether it yeilds any rents..  you say you are a long te investor amd likealuri very much.. maybe

ask some q..

will you buy a 2 room 545 sq studio at rm 680k? Now.. for investment or even stay ?

Affordability issue has long went out of hands when you joint the caravan of property flippers.. dun be mad we shall rationally rationalize this issue..
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Depends on the location. Let's say the 2 room 545 sq studio is 1 km away from KLCC. Why not? Make sure you hav d money to service the loan. If you cant afford it, i believe there are others will in Malaysia.

Can be for own stay of investment. If it is investment, I make sure my investment is a place that i myself would like to stay.
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post Jan 5 2014, 11:56 PM

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QUOTE(AmayaBumibuyer @ Jan 5 2014, 11:48 PM)
Depends on the location. Let's say the 2 room 545 sq studio is 1 km away from KLCC. Why not? Make sure you hav d money to service the loan. If you cant afford it, i believe there are others will in Malaysia.

Can be for own stay of investment. If it is investment, I make sure my investment is a place that i myself would like to stay.
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err.. not necessary true la..

i think is more of what "other ppl want to stay" ...
i like to stay far away from KL.. I dont like city living.. but rental in CBD area looks promising.. so i invest in what the general demand is rather than what i like to stay..

its more of what segment you are targeting.. expats? general public? students? .. mid cost apartment can be good investment, but not necessary i would like to stay..

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post Jan 5 2014, 11:57 PM

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Just to share with you what I read in the book that I glanced thru today. The property bubble, if any, depend on three things. 1. Availabilities of easy credits, 2. Interest rate, 3. Inflations.

So, the first one is controlled, the second one is being raised soon, and the third one will be tough to contain. But anyway, except the third factor, looking at the above, bubble will be contained, if any. This means that property price will be stagnant/slow/decrease.
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post Jan 6 2014, 12:15 AM

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QUOTE(twincharger07 @ Jan 5 2014, 11:56 PM)
err.. not necessary true la..

i think is more of what "other ppl want to stay" ...
i like to stay far away from KL.. I dont like city living.. but rental in CBD area looks promising.. so i invest in what the general demand is rather than what i like to stay..

its more of what segment you are targeting.. expats? general public? students? .. mid cost apartment can be good investment, but not necessary i would like to stay..
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Then if u like to stay far away from KL then u wont have any problems buying a good house.
For me I have to stay in the heart of KL. Now someone like u who does not like KL or city living BUT would buy a property in such place, that means creating demand for places like this. Then high demand limited supply, well what happens to price? The high demand comes from people who doesnt like city living. Imagine that.

Now i said this before. People all over Malaysia, are buying properties in KL, people who wants to live in KL plus people who doesnt like to live in KL but just want to invest. What do u think happens then? Population is increasing. Graduates are being created and i believe a lot of them migrated to KL to work. I mean i ask my colleagues in the Bank they are all from all over malaysia. And if you dunt have a house now, i say good luck if u want to wait for a crash.
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post Jan 6 2014, 12:35 AM

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QUOTE(AmayaBumibuyer @ Jan 5 2014, 11:48 PM)
Depends on the location. Let's say the 2 room 545 sq studio is 1 km away from KLCC. Why not? Make sure you hav d money to service the loan. If you cant afford it, i believe there are others will in Malaysia.

Can be for own stay of investment. If it is investment, I make sure my investment is a place that i myself would like to stay.
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The real and bold fact us that there are70 percent ppl living beneath this pyramid.. the real question "there are a lot others" who can afford . You investment are towait for these ppl..

There is owayls a reason why the capatilist system is shaped in pyramid form.. meaning some ppl live in klcc area some (majority)live in klang valley and other areas.. our pure intention here is an affordable housing in par with price.. not by flipping it..
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post Jan 6 2014, 12:40 AM

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Haiyoo brudder.. if you own one for stay I m not against you maa.. further more 660k amanya for rental or stay unlikely to any fruits.. you your self know..
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QUOTE(AmayaBumibuyer @ Jan 6 2014, 12:15 AM)
Then if u like to stay far away from KL then u wont have any problems buying a good house.
For me I have to stay in the heart of KL. Now someone like u who does not like KL or city living BUT would buy a property in such place, that means creating demand for places like this. Then high demand limited supply, well what happens to price? The high demand comes from people who doesnt like city living. Imagine that.

Now i said this before. People all over Malaysia, are buying properties in KL, people who wants to live in KL plus people who doesnt like to live in KL but just want to invest. What do u think happens then? Population is increasing. Graduates are being created and i believe a lot of them migrated to KL to work. I mean i ask my colleagues in the Bank they are all from all over malaysia. And if you dunt have a house now, i say good luck if u want to wait for a crash.
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demand will alwayls remain high.. affordibality wise really out of hands.. buying prop for stay and for flipping has very different concept..
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post Jan 6 2014, 12:47 AM

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There will always be somewhere in malaysia that u can always afford
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post Jan 6 2014, 01:17 AM

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expecting 10mil population by 2020 from current 7.2mil.. sui boh?

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2013...world-business/
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post Jan 6 2014, 06:42 AM

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QUOTE(twincharger07 @ Jan 6 2014, 01:17 AM)
expecting 10mil population by 2020 from current 7.2mil.. sui boh?

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2013...world-business/
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It depends on who do the projection. Frankly speaking, I know people who actually nid to do this sort of projection in their job. Sometimes, they can be over optmistic.
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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Jan 6 2014, 07:42 AM)
It depends on who do the projection. Frankly speaking, I know people who actually nid to do this sort of projection in their job.  Sometimes, they can be over optmistic.
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Quite easy when u noticed that they add sepang and now seremban into kv.

later they add melaka or ipoh as kv or worst bring in 3 mil poor bangla n ask 200k rich hinis balik tong san

Now u see? We got 20mil population.

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post Jan 6 2014, 08:06 AM

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QUOTE(tikaram @ Jan 6 2014, 06:55 AM)
Quite easy when u noticed that they add sepang and now seremban into kv.

later they add melaka or ipoh as kv or worst bring in 3 mil poor bangla n ask 200k rich hinis balik tong san

Now u see? We got 20mil population.
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I didn't notice that one. I tho they will fill up all empty space with high plot ratio.
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post Jan 6 2014, 09:53 AM

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QUOTE(AmayaBumibuyer @ Jan 6 2014, 12:15 AM)
Then if u like to stay far away from KL then u wont have any problems buying a good house.
For me I have to stay in the heart of KL. Now someone like u who does not like KL or city living BUT would buy a property in such place, that means creating demand for places like this. Then high demand limited supply, well what happens to price? The high demand comes from people who doesnt like city living. Imagine that.

Now i said this before. People all over Malaysia, are buying properties in KL, people who wants to live in KL plus people who doesnt like to live in KL but just want to invest. What do u think happens then? Population is increasing. Graduates are being created and i believe a lot of them migrated to KL to work. I mean i ask my colleagues in the Bank they are all from all over malaysia. And if you dunt have a house now, i say good luck if u want to wait for a crash.
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You are just dreaming friend.

No one wants to stay in KLCC area.

People who want to stay there, can't afford the property.
People who can afford the property, already moved on past that phase of life (vast majority of them) in their late 30s and 40s (or older) and rather stay in landed or in the suburbs like MK or Dsara Heights. They do buy the property but more for "investment" - they sure ain't staying there!
Majority of your KLCC prop is for ghost to stay and many are money pits.

Just go around KLCC and night and see how many dark windows there are on the condos. I would say overall occupancy is below 40%.

You are unlikely to rent out your KLCC studio for a reasonable price - right now it's a renter's market and there are far more vacant units than tenants.
So the only way to make money from your "investment" is FLIP lo - that is, IF you can find a bigger sucker to buy it off you, lol.

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post Jan 6 2014, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(twincharger07 @ Jan 6 2014, 01:17 AM)
expecting 10mil population by 2020 from current 7.2mil.. sui boh?

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2013...world-business/
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Shiok sendiri projection really. Probably written by one of Najib's CONsultants.
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Wey hey....the UUU people is back...rclxms.gif

finally this thread is more interesting now....

I thought all this while only the DDD people still has things to say and this thread has been rather one sided and bitter...brows.gif
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post Jan 6 2014, 10:36 AM

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Wonder what is UUU and DDD mean?
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post Jan 6 2014, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(joeblows @ Jan 6 2014, 09:53 AM)
You are just dreaming friend.

No one wants to stay in KLCC area.

People who want to stay there, can't afford the property.
People who can afford the property, already moved on past that phase of life (vast majority of them) in their late 30s and 40s (or older) and rather stay in landed or in the suburbs like MK or Dsara Heights. They do buy the property but more for "investment" - they sure ain't staying there!
Majority of your KLCC prop is for ghost to stay and many are money pits.

Just go around KLCC and night and see how many dark windows there are on the condos. I would say overall occupancy is below 40%.

You are unlikely to rent out your KLCC studio for a reasonable price - right now it's a renter's market and there are far more vacant units than tenants.
So the only way to make money from your "investment" is FLIP lo - that is, IF you can find a bigger sucker to buy it off you, lol.
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Well said.. u hit the nail on the head.. if low end flipper targeting klcc.. then you screwed.. those ex patriate also move and move.. expecting them to fill the market..

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