You got good points there dude and I totally agree with you on most part. I guess when I say music is all about emotion and how they touched me, it does gives the impression that even Tom Delonge can touched me musically. Haha.

But I assure you, I totally appreciate technical ability and theory, just that they are not the only deciding factor for me when I measure how good a guitarist is to me.

So you can rule out Blink, Avril, Nirvana cause I don't listen to those. Heck, I am so out of touch with modern stuff cause I don't listen to the radio or watch TV. I am pretty much stuck with 80s metal, hardrock, and shread with the majority of the stuff I listen to.

As for Kirk, let's just agree that he is not the most technically amazing guitairst out there but he is one that has left his mark in guitar playing.

michael angelo??? the artist??? or the ninja turtle ???


hendrix > all

nuff said

lol kiddin

hahahha, i can agree on that..........

i have to ask though, why not venture out.......there are great things apart from the 80's. it would make a cool listening experience.

Yeah McLaughlin, Holdsworth, Al Di Meola and the likes are playing at mind-blowing speed, but in a jazz/fusion context. Let's not forget about the jazz guitarists who came before them - Django, Les Paul, Wes etc... they have been breaking the speed barrier decades before Van Halen.
What Hendrix did was he (Along with Eric Clapton and Albert Lee) brought the speed into the blues/rock context without losing the blues aspect. In blues, emotion and feel are more important than speed.

Well first you said "Like I said earlier, more power to everyone if they want to think (insert name of guitarist) suck or great.", then you mentioned that Hendrix couldn't hold a candle against today's guitarist. Sounds like a paradox to me.

I do know what you mean by Hendrix, but read my previous post again, do you think Vai and co. and do the stuff that I've posted? They're technically amazing guitarist, no doubt about that, but Hendrix isn't just all about technique, he's way beyond that. Even in today's context, he remains one of the greatest guitarists of all time. And don't get me wrong, I wasn't flaming you or perceived your comment on Hendrix as an insult, I'm pointing out why I think Hendrix could still be influencial in today's guitar world, both technically and musically. Well, millions of young Hendrix fans can't be wrong.

Oh just so you know, Eric Johnson came from the 70s (He was playing in the fusion band, Electromagnets in the late 70s) and he's truly ahead of his time. One of the most underrated guitarist/musician ever. If only people discovered him before Van Halen.

Yup, I guess you're right. That's the downfall of forums, the text don't convey emotions. It's been a long time since I last participated in such discussions. Peace out.

I think they make pretty good pop music (Grunge for nirvana)... I love Avril's stuff, to be honest Avril's much better than the disposable pop stuff that ruled the 90s. At least her stuff's more organic and honest.
Don't forget that when the Beatles first came out, people trashed them for being disposable etc...

John Petrucci Psycho Video 4 :
"No, not that guitar n00b... the one who painted Jesus in ceilings and stuff."

i recently turned down a US made fender tele for RM1500 cos the body was made of poplar.

cheap squier that plays great? with a lot of setup maybe.
that sounds great? yea right, find me one.

anything of cos sounds great if you dont A-B it with something that you know is good.
you'll only begin to see how inferior it is once you really compare side by side.

anyway, heres a hendrix quote.
"I've been imitated so well I've heard people copy my mistakes."
hendrix has never admitted to being technically proficient.
its how ppl have turned him into a god.
seems no one really mentions guys like albert king anymore, afterall hes one of hendrix's main influence.

Mode n00b = On

Wasn't Hendrix great because he used to play on brand-new vintage guitars and brand-new vintage amps ?

Mode n00b = Off

you turned down the MIA guitar because it was made of poplar or because it sucks?
im not saying that there are heaps of great squires out there today... i was trying to point out that being bias will only limit the number of choices

you dont get what i mean.... i bet that if i placed a squire logo onto a really nice MIA strat, you;re the kind of guy who wouldnt even consider it because its "Squire"

if you call ureself a guitarist, arent you suppose to judge the tone rather than the guitar?

you really dont understand a single thing i said right?
read my first post on this topic.

i said i dont see the point in paying lots of money for a guitar with inferior wood.
and since the late 90s, neither the mex or US fenders have been made from poplar.
reason is pretty simple, cos ppl do not like it.

not once did i mention anything about buying guitars solely based on brand names.

so how bout you go make a guitar from GIM?
pay RM5000 for locally produced wood? i'm pretty sure the tone is good right?

This post has been edited by Everdying: Jul 19 2006, 07:15 AM

Wow....... serious discussion? Or serious fan-boyism?
Wait...... fan boy is me.......

I ain't touching this discussion even with a 10 foot pole.....

i got a 10 foot pole i would use to whack stuff with

Just a question, did you even A-B the Fender tele with a good tele at all?

Hendrix may have never admitted that he's technically proficient, but he's not a guitar god just because of media hype or whatever. Pay attention to his stuff and you'ill know that behind all that tricks and guitar burning, he's a natural guitarist who could express anything he has in his mind. Just watch him live, how often does he actually look at his fretboard?
Albert King's amazing, love his phrasing and bends.

No you n00b, he was great because he was actually a jew who is a black who has Asian fingers and French headbutt skills.

another person who doesnt understand what i said.
i said i didnt want to buy it cos it was made of poplar and RM1500.
simple enough, cant you ppl understand that?
a cheap guitar like RM400 and made of poplar, i couldnt care less, just buy it for practice or whatever.
perhaps i should make use of that ten foot pole.

at one point a few yrs ago i was thinking of getting the china made ibanez S series as a throw around practice wherever guitar, yea those set neck mahagony models, cos it was only around RM1300+.
the only other ibanez's that i was interested in were the artist series and the ghostrider, which is like a modified version of the artist and only produced during the mid 90s.
oh yea, and andy timmon's ibanez AT300 signature model, tho that is abit too expensive.
and yea, they all have mahagony bodies too.

and how bout one day, you bring out your squier strat.
and i'll take you to my friend's place who has a '62 and '64 strat.
tho he might whack you on the spot for even thinking that thought, so better not

This post has been edited by Everdying: Jul 19 2006, 08:04 AM

yes, we all know you did not buy that tele because its made of poplar.
dont you think tahts a problem?
you didnt AB the tele and yet you jumped to the conclusion that its a crappy guitar jsut because its made of poplar wood.

gosh.... im not saying that a squire strat is better than a "vintage" MIA strat.
Ok, are you a guitar collector or a guitarist?

i would much rather pay RM1000 for an SX/squire/etc that plays well than a 50 year old strat that has got problems all over

your friend would whack someone just for bringing a squire in? lol
i guess a friends influence is much more serious than it seems

all im trying to say is, judge a guitar by what its capable of

aye,aye but i was refering to pure wanking skills.

This post has been edited by +3kk!: Jul 19 2006, 08:53 AM

are you one of those ppl who would pay more money for a guitar just cos it looks nice and shiny?
perhaps a job at cash converters would suit you.
those ppl sell shiny guitars for more than its list price, while good guitars that are beat up are sold cheap.
and no i dont think thats a problem, its also my preference of wood which is more towards mahagony.
and most of the general buying public who can afford better stuff shy away from guitars with poplar bodies anyway, and as mentioned earlier also with the fender company.

i didnt say the tele sucked at its playability did i? i just said i wasnt going to pay RM1500 for a piece of poplar, if it was from alder i would get it right away.
for me, playability is secondary as i'm able to set up the guitar properly to what i want it to be.

as for my friend, lets just say hes sessioned enough for a few popular malay artists already.

This post has been edited by Everdying: Jul 19 2006, 08:55 AM

I see wher everdying is coming from. If I only had a certain amount of money, I'd put it in the best I can afford. If the best could be better, why not hold out for a bit more? It's not about what brand is on the headstock or what. A guitar is the sum of its parts really, and if you're gonna put that money down, there's no point putting it down on parts that you don't really fancy.

Everdying clearly doesn't share the budget constraint problem a newbie has, and clearly has developed an eye for guitars.

I know there are great Squiers out there, but if I had money to spend, I'd try to get the best I can afford, and something I really want. Simple as that.

I think what he means is that he doesn't want to spend more than what he's getting. Poplar's cheap wood and it doesn't worth RM1500. But isn't the sound more important here?? Cheap wood it may be, who knows the guitar might has quality electronics to salvage the wood quality? A good-sounding poplar tele that plays well doesn't sound like a bad deal to me.
Oh wait... then again, we're talking abt someone who's against basswood because it's ugly but couldn't be bothered with the tone. That's just him I guess.

Everdying, you also another one... what evo.com meant is that he rather get a brand new guitar rather than an old, beaten-up one that causes much problem. Do you really think he would pass a near mint condition 60s strat for a Squier??? Sometimes your sacarsm can be pathetic.

What I'm wondering now is, are you more of a collector or player? It seems to me that you don't gig or record. If you're a collector I guess we understand where you're coming from, otherwise it just doesn't make sense to me.

This post has been edited by led_zep_freak: Jul 19 2006, 10:55 AM

Pause for a second......... Anyone up for a Bentley Gathering on the week of the 7th??????

wats a 'Bentley Gathering'? do i qualify? lol