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post Dec 26 2016, 01:32 AM

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Bought Philips HTL9100 with the price of RM900 at Aeon Big, they having a clearance sales. But the unit no box no manual, its a display unit. I had test it and so far everything works fine biggrin.gif
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post Jan 1 2017, 09:44 AM

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Hello,
Just bought Sony CT-790 (2.1 system). I have a question and need some advice.

My Equipments - Sony 4kTv X7000D, HyppTV and PS3
My connection - HyppTV to TV (HDMI) ; PS3 to Soundbar (HDMI) ; Soundbar and TV connected by HDMI ARC.

My Question
1. Which sound do I hv to choose whether PCM or bitstream (output to Soundbar) when watching Netflix on TV APP in order the get better sound experience?

2. Same as above question, on Netlix, I have 2 options for audio which are English or English 5.1. Which 1 is better for my 2.1 system?

Side Note:
1. TV 4k audio support - 2ch LPCM, 5.1 LPCM, DD, DD+ and DTS
2. Soundbar audio support - at TV IN - 2ch LPCM, DD and DTS
3. Soundbar audio support - at all HDMI out - up to DD TrueHD and DTS MA.
4. Netflix app at TV via ARC to soundbar and I believe it will output at TV IN.

Appreciate for the help.
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This post has been edited by viking kong: Jan 1 2017, 09:45 AM
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post Jan 3 2017, 12:41 PM

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im guessing no diff btwn the bit stream n pcm, even if there is, u cant differentiate also

im using the same ht 790 as u
i would just connect hypptv n ps3 into the sound bar then connect from soundbar in to tv
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post Jan 3 2017, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(viking kong @ Jan 1 2017, 09:44 AM)
Hello,
Just bought Sony CT-790 (2.1 system). I have a question and need some advice.

My Equipments - Sony 4kTv X7000D, HyppTV and PS3
My connection - HyppTV to TV (HDMI) ; PS3 to Soundbar (HDMI) ; Soundbar and TV connected by HDMI ARC.

My Question
1. Which sound do I hv to choose whether PCM or bitstream (output to Soundbar) when watching Netflix on TV APP in order the get better sound experience?

2. Same as above question, on Netlix, I have 2 options for audio which are English or English 5.1. Which 1 is better for my 2.1 system?

Side Note:
1. TV 4k audio support - 2ch LPCM, 5.1 LPCM, DD, DD+ and DTS
2. Soundbar audio support - at TV IN  - 2ch LPCM, DD and DTS
3. Soundbar audio support - at all HDMI out - up to DD TrueHD and DTS MA.
4. Netflix app at TV via ARC to soundbar and I believe it will output at TV IN.

Appreciate for the help.
Thanks
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1. PCM is lossless, bitstream can be lossy or lossless. Regardless, unless the source is bad to begin with, you're not going to hear difference on the soundbar. Pick PCM for no compatibility headaches as everything plays PCM.

2. If there's no suffix, it's usually stereo. So choose "English". Best to avoid all 5.1 sources if possible and choose "stereo" to avoid downmixing issues - example; very low dialogue volume as soundbars do not have the capability to make a "phantom center channel" sound authoritative.
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post Jan 3 2017, 06:06 PM

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I am looking at this Yamaha YAS-105 Bluetooth Dobly Audio Air Surround Xtreme 7.1CH Sound Bar (Black) at Lazada. Is it any good? Anybody has experience it?

http://www.lazada.com.my/yamaha-yas-105-bl...abcbdefc56a7f04
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post Jan 4 2017, 08:24 AM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jan 3 2017, 05:58 PM)
1. PCM is lossless, bitstream can be lossy or lossless. Regardless, unless the source is bad to begin with, you're not going to hear difference on the soundbar. Pick PCM for no compatibility headaches as everything plays PCM.

2. If there's no suffix, it's usually stereo. So choose "English". Best to avoid all 5.1 sources if possible and choose "stereo" to avoid downmixing issues - example; very low dialogue volume as soundbars do not have the capability to make a "phantom center channel" sound authoritative.
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While using Netflex with 5 1 English on TV:
1. When I set TV audio ouput (at TV) to auto1 (mean bitstream), my CT790 showing Dolby Digital 48kHz 24bit
2. When I set TV audio output (at TV) to PCM, my CT790 showing LPCM 48kHz 16bit.

Both sounds no issue, just Dolby Digital entire sound will give a little bit lower volume than LPCM. I prefer LPCM!
For above case, Dolby 24bit vs LPCM 16bit which one is better for my case 2.1 system?
How come 16bit LPCM can sound better than 24bit Dolby?

I really confuse.

This post has been edited by viking kong: Jan 4 2017, 08:30 AM
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post Jan 4 2017, 08:27 AM

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QUOTE(rx330 @ Jan 3 2017, 12:41 PM)
im guessing no diff btwn the bit stream n pcm, even if there is, u cant differentiate also

im using the same ht 790 as u
i would just connect hypptv n ps3 into the sound bar then connect from soundbar in to tv
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Do u consider for additonal wireless surround?
For CT790, we will have an option (Sony brand) but too pricey. Lowest can get RM599 x 1unit and we need 2units.
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post Jan 5 2017, 09:16 AM

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Guys, anyone here has used low budget soundbar Philips HTL2193B? How's it performed? Plan to get it since my budget is so so only.
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post Jan 5 2017, 11:41 AM

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no way im paying for that, if i want a real surround i would just go back to home theatre room with projector and 5.1

for now, i just need something minimal, old already, not into all these details anymore

got movie to watch, louder a bit, got boom boom sound, happy already
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QUOTE(viking kong @ Jan 4 2017, 08:24 AM)
While using Netflex with 5 1 English on TV:
1. When I set TV audio ouput (at TV) to auto1 (mean bitstream), my CT790 showing Dolby Digital 48kHz 24bit
2. When I set TV audio output (at TV) to PCM, my CT790 showing LPCM 48kHz 16bit.

Both sounds no issue, just Dolby Digital entire sound will give a  little bit lower volume than LPCM. I prefer LPCM!
For above case, Dolby 24bit vs LPCM 16bit which one is better for my case 2.1 system?
How come 16bit LPCM can sound better than 24bit Dolby?

I really confuse.
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LPCM = lossless.
Dolby Digital = lossy.

As for dialogue issues, I literally just explained in the post you quoted on why to avoid 5.1 sources if possible on the CT790 (or any 2.1 soundbar).

LPCM sounds "better" to you because dialogue is more intelligible since it is locked to stereo. There is no downmixing or upmixing involved going into your soundbar. You're not losing or "gaining" anything when it comes to sound effects.

DD 5.1, you're cramping all info into 2 puny drivers on the soundbar and expect them to have "phantom channel" with depth while trying to produce surround effects along with the main L/R channel info. It's a hardware limitation, it's just physics. Nothing to be confused about if you think of it that way.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jan 5 2017, 04:41 PM)
LPCM = lossless.
Dolby Digital = lossy.

As for dialogue issues, I literally just explained in the post you quoted on why to avoid 5.1 sources if possible on the CT790 (or any 2.1 soundbar).

LPCM sounds "better" to you because dialogue is more intelligible since it is locked to stereo. There is no downmixing or upmixing involved going into your soundbar. You're not losing or "gaining" anything when it comes to sound effects.

DD 5.1, you're cramping all info into 2 puny drivers on the soundbar and expect them to have "phantom channel" with depth while trying to produce surround effects along with the main L/R channel info. It's a hardware limitation, it's just physics. Nothing to be confused about if you think of it that way.
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Thanks for the well explaination.!

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hi guys... here is just a short review about Sony HT-ST9 I just got 2 days ago...

i connected Veolo 4K, PS4 pro, and satellite tv box to the soundbar, then to a samsung 4k tv....

First hour was flawless, then i've got some distortion from the center. I switched all 3 inputs still same problem. 10 minutes after that I only got "pssssss" sound.....

I gave up on that day, sleep and check all the connections the next morning. Result are still the same.

This morning I returned the unit to Sony Centre.

The unit itself can produce very nice sound IF it is much reliable than this.
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QUOTE(neoadv @ Jan 3 2017, 06:06 PM)
I am looking at this Yamaha YAS-105 Bluetooth Dobly Audio Air Surround Xtreme 7.1CH Sound Bar (Black) at Lazada. Is it any good? Anybody has experience it?

http://www.lazada.com.my/yamaha-yas-105-bl...abcbdefc56a7f04
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was also looking at that, seem like no sifu commend about it thou
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QUOTE(phantasm0110 @ Jan 16 2017, 12:38 PM)
was also looking at that, seem like no sifu commend about it thou
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Had a chance to preview a demo at Harvey Norman Ampang Point yesterday.. Inside a room with wall glass covered, the sound is not bad. And with extended Bass feature, its almost too good, but I personally think there is something off but cannot pin point what was it.


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QUOTE(neoadv @ Jan 16 2017, 11:46 AM)
Had a chance to preview a demo at Harvey Norman Ampang Point yesterday.. Inside a room with wall glass covered, the sound is not bad. And with extended Bass feature, its almost too good, but I personally think there is something off but cannot pin point what was it.
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Isit because they use an external woofer for it? I think this model can use external woofer to increase the bass
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QUOTE(phantasm0110 @ Jan 16 2017, 04:57 PM)
Isit because they use an external woofer for it?  I think this model can use external woofer to increase the bass
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It does not have extenal subwoofer, but i read the specification where it stated that they have twin (small subwoofer) built in.

"Dual Built-in Subwoofers Powerfully Reproduce Bass Sounds
The YAS-105 employs dual subwoofers inside the cabinet that point upward. Even without a standalone subwoofer, you can enjoy powerful bass sound. Since the sound is output upward, the bass response is very quick and punchy. For music reproduction, the bass notes and rhythm is very accurate."


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post Jan 25 2017, 11:57 AM

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CT790 users please help

i have this annoying issue
once i start up the soundbar, i pick the hdmi slot i wanted, but after few seconds to 1 minute, then soundbar will switch back to menu screen
i need to reselect the hdmi again, then it would be fine

how to settle this issue? quite annoying
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QUOTE(rx330 @ Jan 25 2017, 11:57 AM)
CT790 users please help

i have this annoying issue
once i start up the soundbar, i pick the hdmi slot i wanted, but after few seconds to 1 minute, then soundbar will switch back to menu screen
i need to reselect the hdmi again, then it would be fine

how to settle this issue? quite annoying
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remote control problem?
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post Jan 25 2017, 12:24 PM

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i just google this issue, some ohter user also facing this issue

remote control no issue i think
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post Feb 3 2017, 10:58 AM

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sony msia answered me this

Greetings from Sony Malaysia.

With regards to your email, please be informed that you u may follow few below troubleshooting step for the symptom reported:

1) Connect the Sound Bar to a TV ( preferable connection )

If connecting to any other TV equipped with HDMI terminals that support ARC, use an HDMI cable (sold separately) to connect the HDMI IN (ARC) terminal on the TV to the TV OUT (ARC) terminal on the Sound B.

kindly refer to attached image of ARC connection.

2) Resetting the System:

If the system still does not operate properly, reset the system as follows.

- Press HOME. The home menu appears on the TV screen.
- Select [Setup] from the home menu. The setup display appears on the TV screen.
- Select [Resetting] - [Reset to Factory Default Settings].
- Select the menu item you want to reset.
- Select [Start].

3) kindly check HDMI cable connection and try to use other HDMI cable. You may also reset your TV to factory setting or seek Samsung provider assistance regards to input selection if issue persists.

I hope the above information meets your current requirement, still should you have any further enquiries feel free to contact me at 1300 88 1233.

Thank you.

dont think its of any help

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