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post May 9 2017, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(rollover @ May 8 2017, 07:48 AM)
hello sifus

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How should I manage the EPF + cash? My objectives are minimal work and I am ok with moderate risk.

1. leave it in EPF & tabung haji, withdraw only what I need. No taxation and fully liquid but returns at 5+% per year is just ok
assuming you wanna completely stop working at the age of 55, based on a common 4% inflation p.a. and a 5% average IRR, you will need around 1.96m for the entire 30 years until the age of 85.

2. Diversify and invest a portion in property? I have never really invested in property long term, have flipped a few but that's probably not the way to go now. How much realistically can I get beyond 5.5% per year post tax that #1 provides?
if you have the knowledge and experience in property investment, why not? i have not much advise in this area as im not good in property investment

3. equity market? I don't know enough about the Malaysian market unfortunately. I have no desire to go for unit trusts given the higher costs in the short term.
maybe it's time to learn some from your friends. my dad is 65 this year and investing in local stocks is part of his hobby now. I'm curious, how is UT a higher cost to you in short term? care to elaborate? interested to know your point of view

4. something else?
since you are not familiar about malaysian market, what about foreign market? maybe at the same time when you gain knowledge in msian market, no harm exposed to foreign market as well. there are platforms that offers foreign market trades too.
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post May 9 2017, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(Arche_ling @ May 9 2017, 11:32 AM)
Need advise on my financial planning
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approx RM1.5k saving monthly (sometimes try to pump into asnb but not always got quota for non bumis, so any advice where should i invest apart from putting in fd? ) thanks.
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perhaps can look into unit trust? if got knowledge in stocks, can consider too.
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post May 10 2017, 02:16 AM

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Stock market dont play2 arr... if u kinda person that do saving every month deligently and then got some EXTRA, that EXTRA can play stock. Strictly dont ever play stock using ur saving money.

Playing stock are very big risk taker. U not going to play stock with 10 lots only rite? Of course u wanna buy as much as possible to earn more. If the counter performing, then u r lucky. But stock market got its up and down. Once its suddenly going down deep, that time arr i told u..u cant even sleep at night.. every morning 0900 to 1700 hrs u'll be glued to ur monitor see ur money fly.. sometimes, money can fly further below againts whats ur capital.

Really need to study hard on the counter u r going to park ur share.

So, put thing simple,
Got extra, can play.

No extra but using saving to play and wanna feel it,well, go ahead if u think im wrong.

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post May 10 2017, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(Nymphetamine666 @ May 10 2017, 02:16 AM)
Stock market dont play2 arr... if u kinda person that do saving every month deligently and then got some EXTRA, that EXTRA can play stock. Strictly dont ever play stock using ur saving money.

Playing stock are very big risk taker. U not going to play stock with 10 lots only rite? Of course u wanna buy as much as possible to earn more. If the counter performing, then u r lucky. But stock market got its up and down. Once its suddenly going down deep, that time arr i told u..u cant even sleep at night.. every morning 0900  to 1700 hrs u'll be glued to ur monitor see ur money fly.. sometimes, money can fly further below againts whats ur capital.

Really need to study hard on the counter u r going to park ur share.

So, put thing simple,
Got extra, can play.

No extra but using saving to play and wanna feel it,well, go ahead if u think im wrong.
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If you use the term 'play', I think you're going about it the wrong way already. Invest!
If your stock prices keep you up at night then you're doing it wrong, and if your 'money can fly further below against whats ur capital' then you're trading with a margin account aka borrowing to trade which is a huge no-no.

Not investing is a much bigger risk than if you invest in good assets for the long term.

Just some clarification and my humble opinion la. notworthy.gif

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post May 10 2017, 10:00 AM

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Guys,... I owuld advise 'rollover' to just stick with the EPF and to play safe,... Reading his few comments -

HE HAS NO EXPERIENCE IN INVESTING, HE DOES NOT EVEN TRUST THE VERY EASY METHOD OF PROPERTY INVESTMENT IN MSIA !

With his current age, it's better that he remains satisfied with what he has, and continue to enjoy the consistent income from putting money in the EPF.

Starting to learn at his age, and starting to take investment risks now is very risky.
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post May 10 2017, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(rollover @ May 8 2017, 07:48 AM)
hello sifus

I'm in my early 50s and looking at possible early retirement. I am looking at advice on how best to manage my finances so that it'll last me over the next 30 years or so.

- assets: apartment, car, ~RM2m in EPF, ~RM200k cash
- liabilities none. Kids have finished school etc.
- other income none
- monthly expenditures RM4-5k for a very comfortable living
- insurance none, have always been covered by the company and don't plan to take any in the future given my age, the cost, my thankfully good health (now).

How should I manage the EPF + cash? My objectives are minimal work and I am ok with moderate risk.

1. leave it in EPF & tabung haji, withdraw only what I need. No taxation and fully liquid but returns at 5+% per year is just ok

2. Diversify and invest a portion in property? I have never really invested in property long term, have flipped a few but that's probably not the way to go now. How much realistically can I get beyond 5.5% per year post tax that #1 provides?

3. equity market? I don't know enough about the Malaysian market unfortunately. I have no desire to go for unit trusts given the higher costs in the short term.

4. something else?
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With 2M in EPF earning 6% p.a and your monthly expenditure of only RM4-5k.
Just sit and enjoy your life.

By doing nothing, you earn yourself 120k p.a with 6% interest. That is 10k per month. Use that extra for equity investment.
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post May 10 2017, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(Arche_ling @ May 9 2017, 11:32 AM)
Need advise on my financial planning
Earning average nett 4.5k after epf and tax

monthly commitment
Car Loan        : RM1050
house loan      : RM700
Mobile            : RM 100 
gym                : RM 88
Petrol              :RM 300
Food              :RM 300
insurance        :RM200

approx RM1.5k saving monthly (sometimes try to pump into asnb but not always got quota for non bumis, so any advice where should i invest apart from putting in fd? ) thanks.
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have you set aside 3-6 months living expenses somewhere as emergency fund?
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post May 10 2017, 06:03 PM

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QUOTE(Smurfs @ May 10 2017, 03:41 PM)
have you set aside 3-6 months living expenses somewhere as emergency fund?
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Yes i did. Just left the emergency money in asnb.
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QUOTE(Arche_ling @ May 10 2017, 06:03 PM)
Yes i did. Just left the emergency money in asnb.
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If in that case mayb we can start exploring various investment that suits ur risk profile.

Be it unit trust, REIT, stock exchange etc.

There are various investment thread in lowyat forum just feel free to join into discussion.
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post May 17 2017, 02:46 PM

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Dear sifu's,

Recently i booked a condo(loan approved and waiting to sign SPA) but i am kind of not sure if this is a good decision or not. sad.gif I am buying it for own stay and rent out partially to cover some cost.
So i am here to seek some advice or financial plan for my future move.

Gross income : RM 7,500
Net income : RM 6190

Monthly spending below

Medical Insurance : RM 200
Room Rental : RM 600
Internet : RM 72
Mobile : RM 53
Parents : RM 600
Petrol : RM 200
Tolls : RM 60
Parking : RM 110
Food : RM 600

So balance RM 3,695. 60k cash in FD.

Some info for the newly booked condo. Estimate can move in on this August.
mortgage : RM 2,670
Maintenance : RM 400

So my plan is to rent out 2 rooms, hopefully can collect RM 500 per room so i can save some money to replace my 10+ years old car.

This post has been edited by eddystorm: May 18 2017, 11:10 PM
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post May 18 2017, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(eddystorm @ May 17 2017, 02:46 PM)
Dear sifu's,

Recently i booked a condo(loan approved and waiting to sign SPA) but i am kind of not sure if this is a good decision or not. sad.gif  I am buying it for own stay and rent out partially to cover some cost.
So i am here to seek some advice or financial plan for my future move.

Gross income : RM 7,500
Net income    : RM 6190

Monthly spending below

Medical Insurance : RM 200
Room Rental        : RM 600
Internet                : RM 72
Mobile                  : RM 53
Parents                : RM 600
Petrol                  : RM 200
Food                    : RM 600

So balance RM 3,865. 60k cash in FD.

Some info for the newly booked condo. Estimate can move in on this August.
mortgage            : RM 2,670
Maintenance        : RM 400

So my plan is to rent out 2 rooms, hopefully can collect RM 500 per room so i can save some money to replace my 10+ years old car.
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Ur expenses check list is complete? Entertainment, vacation etc are not in your list. biggrin.gif

Every month have this much of excess money +1

Buy house and rent out the rest of un-utilized rooms +1

If your mortgage is fully flexi loan then you may put your money in FD into your loan so that you earn the differential 1%++ from there, yet you have the flexibility to withdraw it for any urgent usage.


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post May 18 2017, 11:26 PM

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QUOTE(kradun @ May 18 2017, 10:08 PM)
Ur expenses check list is complete? Entertainment, vacation etc are not in your list.  biggrin.gif

Every month have this much of excess money +1

Buy house and rent out the rest of un-utilized rooms +1

If your mortgage is fully flexi loan then you may put your money in FD into your loan so that you earn the differential 1%++ from there, yet you have the flexibility to withdraw it for any urgent usage.
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Sorry i did missed out some expenses. sweat.gif
I live a frugal life with minimal expenses. Usually go hiking, jogging & free gym at rented place so all those are kind of free entertainment for me. biggrin.gif
For the vacation part, i never pay for any oversea vacation but only take the chance to walk around on company business trip hahaha cry.gif

My mortgage is PBB semi-flexi loan, charging RM 53 for every withdrawal. Actually i am planning to buy a car with maybe 40k down-payment when i am getting a stable room rental income. Will this be too risky to do so?
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post May 19 2017, 12:54 AM

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QUOTE(eddystorm @ May 18 2017, 11:26 PM)
Sorry i did missed out some expenses.  sweat.gif
I live a frugal life with minimal expenses. Usually go hiking, jogging & free gym at rented place so all those are kind of free entertainment for me.  biggrin.gif
For the vacation part, i never pay for any oversea vacation but only take the chance to walk around on company business trip hahaha  cry.gif

My mortgage is PBB semi-flexi loan, charging RM 53 for every withdrawal. Actually i am planning to buy a car with maybe 40k down-payment when i am getting a stable room rental income. Will this be too risky to do so?
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Good for you having all those free entertainment with minimal to no cost.

Your new house come with furnishing? That might cost a big sum of money in short term. Once start repayment your monthly excess money will reduce to 1.4k and wait untill all rooms lease out at RM500 each then only it will further go up to 2.4k. Got balance for you if have to further deduct for car repayment? If for me have cash to cover for my 6 months expenses + every month end have 10-15% of gross salary for saving then should be quite sustainable.

Credit card did help me a lot whenever i urgently need to spend a sum of money, some more it can easily balance transfer to repayment with 0% interest that almost make me feel those raining money no longer have that significant impact when you need the money. Worst come to worst even can temporary utilize epf account 2 to repay the mortgage and my salary go to settle the necessary expenses. Or else thick face a bit then can borrow from siblings.. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post May 22 2017, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(eddystorm @ May 17 2017, 02:46 PM)
Dear sifu's,

Recently i booked a condo(loan approved and waiting to sign SPA) but i am kind of not sure if this is a good decision or not. sad.gif  I am buying it for own stay and rent out partially to cover some cost.
So i am here to seek some advice or financial plan for my future move.

Gross income : RM 7,500
Net income    : RM 6190

Monthly spending below

Medical Insurance : RM 200
Room Rental        : RM 600
Internet                : RM 72
Mobile                  : RM 53
Parents                : RM 600
Petrol                  : RM 200
Tolls                    : RM 60
Parking                : RM 110
Food                    : RM 600

So balance RM 3,695. 60k cash in FD.

Some info for the newly booked condo. Estimate can move in on this August.
mortgage            : RM 2,670
Maintenance        : RM 400

So my plan is to rent out 2 rooms, hopefully can collect RM 500 per room so i can save some money to replace my 10+ years old car.
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I see you doing very good here. Purchasing the property is good to offset you rental and moreover if you can rent out 2 rooms for RM500 each you can get total RM1600 return (plus the rental). For future maybe you may not need to worry much because the installment is fixed unless change in BLR/BR.
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post May 22 2017, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(Arche_ling @ May 9 2017, 11:32 AM)
Need advise on my financial planning
Earning average nett 4.5k after epf and tax

monthly commitment
Car Loan        : RM1050
house loan      : RM700
Mobile            : RM 100 
gym                : RM 88
Petrol              :RM 300
Food              :RM 300
insurance        :RM200

approx RM1.5k saving monthly (sometimes try to pump into asnb but not always got quota for non bumis, so any advice where should i invest apart from putting in fd? ) thanks.
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There are few options of investment
1) FD (low risk)
2) Share/REIT (high risk)
3) Unit Trust (risk depend on type of unit trust)
4) Insurance investment scheme (low risk)
5) Gold (depend on your affordability)
6) Property (depend on your affordability)
7) Foreign currency account (high risk)

All the above give different return and different risk. Myself invest in 1,2,5,6. So far all give me positive return except 2 which im just started. I started with FD after my money growed i go for property and then gold and now share. if i my money grow i may go for 7 as i dont fancy 3 and 4. but is all due to individual preference and how much risk one would take.


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post May 23 2017, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(eddystorm @ May 17 2017, 02:46 PM)
Dear sifu's,

Recently i booked a condo(loan approved and waiting to sign SPA) but i am kind of not sure if this is a good decision or not. sad.gif  I am buying it for own stay and rent out partially to cover some cost.
So i am here to seek some advice or financial plan for my future move.

Gross income : RM 7,500
Net income    : RM 6190

Monthly spending below

Medical Insurance : RM 200
Room Rental         : RM 600
Internet                : RM 72
Mobile                  : RM 53
Parents                 : RM 600
Petrol                   : RM 200
Tolls                     : RM 60
Parking                 : RM 110
Food                    : RM 600

So balance RM 3,695. 60k cash in FD.

Some info for the newly booked condo. Estimate can move in on this August.
mortgage             : RM 2,670
Maintenance         : RM 400

So my plan is to rent out 2 rooms, hopefully can collect RM 500 per room so i can save some money to replace my 10+ years old car.
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technically you should buy a property < 7 x net income 6190 x 12 mths = 520k and hopefully get 6% rental yield, i.e. 6% * 500k / 12 = 2500 rental income if you rent whole unit out. How much you bought the condo btw?

Also, spending rm3070 for property out of 6190 net income is rather risky move, someone mentioned rent 2 rooms for 1k, you cannot even cover cost, so it's definitely negative cashflow. Not to mentioned cukai pintu, repair cost, legal fee, stamping fee, misc bills, etc. Situation would be worse off if you only paid 10% deposit.

dont worry it's not entirely your fault if you need a roof, but current market price is not attractive for home ownership, as mean salary (hence rent) lags (or drags) behind property price.

This post has been edited by lowya: May 23 2017, 11:05 AM
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post May 23 2017, 10:01 PM

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Edit : found a thread regarding opening bank account in singapore

This post has been edited by Mr.Weezy: May 23 2017, 10:49 PM
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post Jun 15 2017, 01:22 PM

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Gross income : RM 7,600
Net income : RM 6200

Monthly spending below:-

Medical Insurance : RM 200
Room Rental : RM 500
Internet : Nil
Mobile : Nil (Company pay)
Parents : RM 1,000
Car : RM 900
Petrol : RM 320
Tolls : RM 240
Parking : RM 90
House installment : RM 1300 (Tenant pays RM1200)
Food : RM 1,200
PTPTN : RM 250
Entertainment & Travel : Average RM300/m Use bonus money

TOTAL
Total Spending = RM 6000
Total Savings = RM200

Is this healthy?
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post Jun 15 2017, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(kyan smile.gif @ Jun 15 2017, 01:22 PM)
Gross income : RM 7,600
Net income    : RM 6200

Monthly spending below:-

Medical Insurance  : RM 200
Room Rental          : RM 500
Internet                  : Nil
Mobile                    : Nil (Company pay)
Parents                  : RM 1,000
Car                          : RM 900
Petrol                      : RM 320
Tolls                        : RM 240
Parking                    : RM 90
House installment    : RM 1300 (Tenant pays RM1200)
Food                            : RM 1,200
PTPTN                          : RM 250
Entertainment & Travel  : Average RM300/m Use bonus money

TOTAL
Total Spending          = RM 6000
Total Savings              = RM200

Is this healthy?
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is that ok if u stay in own house, save the rental fee, and rent out other two room?
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QUOTE(iAlien @ Jun 15 2017, 02:11 PM)
is that ok if u stay in own house, save the rental fee, and rent out other two room?
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Your total housing loan installment is RM2500 or RM100 (RM1300 -RM1200)?

If your housing loan is only RM 100, then your saving will be RM 1400 and i think tats ok.

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