Forwards or backwards, mere mortals may never know but at least there's something being done.

The movements are modified in a few ways, and the information I have is that it's not done in-house, but by 3rd party suppliers. Some photos:







Decoration is one thing, but many companies have decoration applied to the higher end 2824-2's for use in chronometer grade watches - Brietling for example.

The Tudor 2824-2's start as Top grade, so they have all the parts that the Chronometer grade movements do, without the actual testing being done. The shock system is then changed from Incabloc to Kif, and they remove the ETACHRON system, and implement a more traditional stud on the balance spring, and traditional regulator pins.

For me as a watchmaker who services these movements, removing the ETACHRON is not an advancement, but a step backwards. Adjusting the centering of the balance spring, the centering of the outer coil through the regulating pins, and setting the spacing of the regulating pins is so much easier with the ETACHRON system, it really makes no technical sense (in my opinion) to remove this system. There's no doubt that a watch can be adjusted just as well using the traditional systems, but is it far less time consuming with the ETACHRON system. I suspect the Rolex does this because they want to make it their own, and not for any technical reason.

Hope this helps.

Cheers, Al

Hi guys, I'm out to shop for a watch as a birthday present for my partner.

Been looking at ladies TAG aquaracer, it looks good enough for me but sadly it's a quartz and going for close to 5k.

Aside from TAG, I went to look at Tudor as well, size is good but the bezel and bracelet puts me off.

Oris has some good automatic watch like Oris Artelier going for 4k+. I then went and look at some Longines too, generally it looks okay an with automatic movement.

I'm quite spilt between choice, I like how tha aquaracer looks but I prefer it to have automatic movement..

Which is the better choice? Longines?

going backwards? sometimes its better to leave it as it is.

al archer already did a post on this a few months ago, which u may or may not have read.

I've read that.

I'm just saying that while there's I'm sure there's nothing wrong with ETA's, at least Tudor did something beyond just popping it into a case.

Btw, I think they do that either for reliability reasons (though Al Archer thinks other wise but I would assume Rolex/Tudor themselves are not noobs) and/or more likely.. to make it harder to counterfeit.

Doesn't make sense for Tudor to go through all that trouble just to make life harder for 3rd party service. Afterall, they're doing just fine servicing Rolex parts.

making it harder to counterfeit is illogical, as counterfeiters would rather just throw some crappy china movement in there since its a solid caseback.

and why wouldnt it make sense for them to make it harder for 3rd party service?
then they would get further revenue from after sales service.
its the same as how omega slaps on a co-axial on a 2892, but of cos on a much smaller scale.

Not the cheaplak ones but high grade fakes and frankenwatches.
Coming from a manufacturing background, i dont think it make sense because the cost of doing so outweights the potential income from service. You have to consider a large portion of owners dont service at recommended intervals or at all. Some also uses 3rd party for Rolex let alone Tudor. Besides, they just changed to a more traditional system.

Went and checked out the omega. It's quite good but price is about 6k+. The boutique is giving 9% discount only.

The longines actually quite good as well, automatic movement and going for 5k+.

I'm pretty sure your partner will appreciate the conti more
Its quite a timeless piece.

Aside from the Constellation, went and checked out the Seamaster Aqua Terra. It was quite good as well. Probably, might go for that.

the men's AT with coaxial dem nice... the quartz

Yeap, I agree that it's quite nice. I'm considering one for myself also.

if the AT quartz wasn't facelifted recently, i would have bought that instead of the Tag...

I think this was discussed a while back. GS quartz > AT quartz. Ladies conti quartz ok though.. its got no seconds hand

quartz ah? who doesnt own a swatch? everyone needs one apart from a gshock

I got a Swatch but its not Quartz leh. Its an automatic. How la? ETA 2842 inside. Bought for RM5xx.
Best deal ever for Swiss Made mechanical.

Yesterday, i didnt wear my oris aquis black. I put in the handbag inside the small pocket. So this morning i take out my watch from the handbag, the watch stop at 1.30pm date 16 oct means the arrow atop at 1.30pm and the date was yesterday. Then i setting the time and date again for today. Im wondering, is it because im not wearing it suddenly it stop?

Before this put on the dressing table, never stop. I only wear when im going out from the house. Its automatic watch.