Look at the advertisement I posted, doesn't that look yuppie to you? Higher end? Depends how high end. Tag Heuer is high end, just not as high as Rolex, and both are not as high as Patek Philippe. Heuer's history is mostly vested in motorsports back in the 60s, but that's Heuer, NOT TAG Heuer. I like the Tag Heuer Carrera, so I have one, the 41mm variant not the one with numbers. I am clearly aware of Tag's history, its pedigree and sadly how they spend their marketing dollars.

Brand wise, i would say Omega is more premium than Tag.

This?
http://www.omegawatches.com/collection/sea...-41-mm/22208000

That's Pierce Brosnon aka James Bond watch style. Of course in the movies they didn't have the Co-Axial movement yet. The current cal.2500 used is just heavily modified ETA movement. Still not "in-house" yet. Tag's carrera chrono has an advantage being "in-house" movement with their Calibre 1887, which is actually a Seiko movement (LOL).

My advice is to forget the brand placement, forget about its ambassadors and forget about what OTHER PEOPLE THINK, including myself. (LOL). Just put it on your wrist and see which one you love most, and buy it.

Frankly speaking, I would advise against buying a Tag Heuer UNLESS you love it on your own wrist. I do not feel its worth the asking price. HAHAHA, and laughably I own one.

EDIT: If you are looking for chronos, you MUST check out Zenith El Primero 1969. They have a smaller size, you might love it. That is the grand daddy of chronographs.

This post has been edited by Jason: Sep 3 2013, 06:24 PM

The Zenith starts at RM18k after discount IIRC. Go check it out, no harm asking and trying it on your wrist.

Yes those Omega design been around for quite sometime. But frankly speaking, the real Omega chrono with heritage, pedigree and demands respect is the Speedmaster Professional, don't pass it up without seeing it in person.

Rolex designs are "old" design, considering its just a refresh of essentially the same design over the years. Very seldom for real watchmakers to introduce new designs like fashion label, cause its not.

There's usually a staple line that remains consistent with refreshes/updates to its designs, rather than a complete "new" thing

e.g. Tag Heuer you have Aquaracer, Carrera, Monaco etc.
Rolex you have Datejust, Submariner, GMT Master etc.
Omega you have Seamaster, Speedmaster, etc.

You get the idea.

Also, don't be constraint yourself with budget if you are not an avid collector. Just go balls out and wear it for life. My buddy went balls out and stretch his budget 10 years back to buy a Rolex, and he's still wearing the same piece today, and he's happy that his Rolex has significant value in the secondary market.

Mid Valley

I got bitten by a PAM000. What's the story with these babies? I see lots of used on sale here.

PAM111 also looks fine, I like the fact it is C.O.S.C, and has the small seconds, so I know the watch is working. Also with the Luminor "Marina" on the dial.

PAM005 is way too damn busy. What's the current RRP on PAM000 and PAM111? Some education on Panerais appreciated.

Everything, even the cuppa teh tarik at the mamak. Unless no receipt lah.

what's the discounts like for Panerai? And anybody got a recommended shop/sales person?

Looking for new from boutique. The only pre-own I'd consider purchasing is a Rolex...actually, I would only buy a Rolex if its vintage. That's me.

I own a Tag, Omega > Tag.
At the end of the day buy the piece you like, that speaks to you, that looks good on YOUR wrists. Who cares if its overpriced or not as long as you can afford it.


What would you buy around RM17k?
EDIT: new, from boutique.

This post has been edited by Jason: Sep 9 2013, 10:53 PM

Omega = legendary moon watch, made a lot of in-house movements up until the 80s. used to be viewed as a competitor to Rolex, the recent James Bond association (but we all know the real Bond watch is a Rolex).

Tag Heuer = the brand can't come close to Rolex, usually sports watch, mainly associated with racing. it was legendary when it was just Heuer, esp. in the 60s. but by the 70s they started using Lemania and Valjoux movements, nothing notable after being acquired by Tag. The latest in-house movement 1887 is a joke IMO, the father is Seiko and mother is Tag Heuer, a ******* child at best - regardless of what anybody says. Yes I know they have belt driven watches like the V4 and what not, but those are not the ones we normal people can buy. As a whole I doubt I've come across a justification that Tag Heuer is above the likes of Omega.

The only reason I like it is
http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/why-tag-h...brand-487593292

But really, Heuer was legendary, Tag Heuer is silly - they just spend millions on marketing.

The only Zenith I like is the 1969 El Primero, 18k after discount. But I already have a TH Carrera. I'm not so into dressy watches.
This Dornblueth, give me a bit of A.Lange Sohne feel. Not my type of piece.

The pammy I want is definitely one without an in-house movement, hand wound. so its the 000 or the 112. again.. i got to put it on my wrist..
I loved the Oris TT1 Diver so much until its on my wrist, then i threw up.

This post has been edited by Jason: Sep 9 2013, 11:11 PM

Logic here is, Pam doesn't pretend to be something its not. All the while they have been using other company's movements in their watches since the dawn of Panerai. Rolex first, then the Unitas etc. Tag's "in house" movement on the hand is a Japanese, with some modifications and they call it "Swiss made", so the Tag Heuer is pretending to be something that is not, like I said, Japanese father with Swiss mother. The Pam with the Unitas is more Swiss than the 1887 will ever be. My opinion only. At least Pam doesn't pretend the Unitas movement is in house.

BOOM!

EDIT: And I'm not a TH basher, I own a TH and I love mine. Just stating facts. Peace

This post has been edited by Jason: Sep 10 2013, 01:30 AM

My own experience, legit.

Sigh, guess somebody never do research, let me break it down for you why i say "TH 1887 pretend to be something its not"

TH CLAIMS in their 2nd December 2009 Press Release that "Calibre 1887 fifth movement designed 100% in-house by TAG Heuer"

So, is my grasp of the English language bad, or you don't understand what I am pointing out here?

Did other watch manufacturer made such false claims?


The PAM318, there's 2 ways to think of it. One is that the buyers got short changed. Or if you look at it from a different perspective, I think it is brilliant, nobody caught on to what Panerai was doing.
Do you know the term "to sell you a Brooklyn bridge"? Did you notice the case back engraving is of the Brooklyn Bridge?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooklyn_Bridge


Thanks, cool read.

So, for the sake of discussion, when somebody says "in-house movement" by XX. What does it mean to you?

To me, it means
100% designed in house by XX
100% built in house by XX

Then you call it in house. Else, defeats the purpose of calling it in house, no?

if TH 1887 movement is in-house
Rolex 3135 also in-house

If both can be called "in house movements", then that kinda degrades the definition of in-house, cause Rolex 3135 is 100% designed by Rolex, 100% made by Rolex. Whereas TH is just Swiss Made by TH, modified by TH, designed in Japan.

Sorry, you kinda lost me, I've always understood that when you call the movement in-house, it is 100% designed and 100% made in house.

Not sure if you read what I posted.

To sell you Brooklyn Bridge means to cheat you, swindle you, SCREW YOU OVER. So do you think it is a coincidence that Panerai made the PAM318 with a Brooklyn Bridge casing and put a plain, rubbish, off the shelf movement in it?

Clearly you can see Panerai made the PAM318 to sell you a Brooklyn Bridge, and they did!

As for the brand being rubbish, each to their own. PAM318 was not trying to cheat your money, they already told you they were selling a Brooklyn Bridge to screw people over, people who bought it were just.. stupid? LOL.

I am not defending Panerai, I don't give a rat's ass honestly. Bash all you like I just find it funny people such as yourself is screaming bloody murder when Panerai explicitly made it clear that "Buy this PAM318 and we're going to screw you over with it"

Stupid is when you buy a Panerai 318 when Panerai explicitly told you they are screwing you over, and you proceed to scream bloody murder after buying it.

I think its bloody clever of Panerai, but that's just me. I bet they are laughing to the bank (and they are). Bash all you like, truth is, the second hand prices of Pre-V Panerai's increase so rapidly that its unbelievable. It easily eclipse Rolex's 2nd hand value in terms of the time it took for the % of increase. After Richemont bought it over, they increased the price again and again yet there's no signs of sales slowing. Now that's something.

The Panerai PAM 510, 8 days reserve, in-house movement, pretty impressive all under USD$8k. I'm sure patryn33 will agree if I said the other resources within Richemont were used to design this movement, considering Panerai don't make movements. Then again, for under USD$8k you can get Rolex too, which is the benchmark.

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Handsome taste. Likewise my TH Carrera Chrono is 41mm. I also very handsome

Poor eyesight? Wakakakakakaka. Or BIG arms. I can understand why Sylvester Stallone wears Panerai, cause wearing a Rolex will make him look like cartoon.

Seconded. Mechanical of course.

Maybe its not their calling to make in-house movements, Giovanni Panerai haunting them.

Cheap = lacking in case finishing, decoration, general overall quality etc. etc.
Easy way to spot it, try going to a shop, hold a Tissot and hold a Ball in your hands.