then guess ur knowledge of g-shock also from 1993
now got g-shocks that are more expensive than most orients...

Yes they're expensive now. Just flipped thru their website just now but rm300-rm1k per watch is still within my reach.

My ultimate would be the IWC Portuguese + Glashuette Original and an ultimate Omega Speedmaster. Hope this is within my reach in 10yrs time.

This post has been edited by Patek: Jan 30 2014, 11:46 AM

i was at ur shoe just last week. wanted to get either the three. But i change my mind and aim the new GMT Master 2 Day & Night instead.

IWC - god knows what happen to them.
Glashutte - the ones that hit me is as expensive as $32k, the Senator Chonometer.
Omega - the moon landing was a hoax. lol just kid.. it tried to be Rolex.

then that iwc mk16 ur friend selling?
u do know omega speedmaster pre-own also around rm7k.

Yeah, a Rolex might be interesting/impressive also. Always been thinking of the Submariner. Maybe my mind would change overtime just like 3yrs ago when I thought u-boat was the ultimate watch... Hahahaha

My friend who wanna sell the mark 16 has 3 rare rolex + rare omega speedmaster (which omega themselves wrote a letter to him congrats on having the watch), an autavia heuer lemania 5100, bell n ross by sinn and some more i cant recall. He has 1 box = 12 watch = rm200k++

This post has been edited by Patek: Jan 30 2014, 12:00 PM

Simply outstanding

There always rich folks don't envy them just be part of the group! My high school pal has like 50-60 rolex and 3-5 Pam etc. don't see myself just there, having lost a cheap 7750 I hope to find myself a cheap speedmaster moonphase manual

I just saw the BLNR on my flesh 2 hours ago. Stock just in yesterday. Only 2 pieces. People on the waiting list not in town so if you want it now is the time. PM and I'll tell you where if you want to go cash and carry.

The blue was a bit too bright blue.. Not what I had in mind. I liked the black with green hand more. Rm29k for the BLNR.

r3kahsttub - the reason i mentioned it was that i did not see the minute graduation marks on the face, but in the recent photo it looks like they're there? i guess i was wrong on that one. sorry buddy.

Drop me a PM with your asking price and we'll see if we can work out something

This post has been edited by biatch0: Jan 30 2014, 05:29 PM

Panerai sent him their purest watch, he wore it for 30 days and now's he's changed his tone, a bit (well, you can't expect the guy to praise after taking hits at the brand over the last several years). Sometimes you just gotta wear one on your hand to be a believer.

You really have to read into the history of the infamous watchmaker to appreciate who they were, who they weren't and what the company represents today. It's a beautiful watch, but the history is incredibly appealing.



This post has been edited by CHiNO730: Jan 30 2014, 05:47 PM

I would choose the Speedmaster. Incredible history and relatively unchanged since the 1960's. The quality will also be very good for the price. I don't own one, but it has been on my "watchlist" (get it?) for a long time.

I have a Maurice LaCroix, but have been looking to sell it for the last several years. The second hand market is pretty depressing for the brand, so I haven't let it go just because I don't want to take the loss. Very popular in Asia, but not so much in the states.

You might want to look at Nomos or Sinn for that range too, depending on what kind of watch you like.

What in the world is that? I know you have to be original, so I'm sure there's a story behind your decision to purchase it, even if it is made in China. =)

That one at USD 5,750 is a very good deal. I would jump on that one ASAP if its still available.

There are a lot of reasons why a watch will appreciate, the largest factor is the demand in the current market. Entry level models will generally have the most demand, since there are a lot of people looking to get into the brand as their first watch and are looking for the least expensive. Unfortunately, if you're buying through an AD, that means those will generally be sold out for a year. Panerai has been very good about making less watches than their actual demand, so the second hand market is always very active and watches move quickly. By that same token, they are sure to appreciate, and they do.

The 312 is a very special watch because it has the best combination of features, this being the reason why I have one myself:

In-house movement
More pronounced domed crystal
Curved "pillow" case
Larger device protecting the crown
Larger watch face (original 1950's size)
Arabic 9 is present (seconds subdial is moved over to accommodate)
Historic 1950's design

Most people won't get that in-depth into their watch selection process, in fact, many Panerai owners buy it because it looks cool and they've heard a lot of buzz around the brand and want to get a high end watch that is "exclusive." But understanding why the brand is what it is today is very important. The brand get's a lot of flak from the watch snobs because they were throwing in Valjoux/Eta movements in a pretty case and selling them for a significant markup, completely ignoring the history of the brand. There are a ton of other watchmakers that do the same thing, even IWC. But eventually Panerai got smart and started producing a few lines with their own movement, and going back into their history to revive the original look (312 being one of the least expensive of these purer examples). By comparison, the Royal Oak is a modern watch, coming out over three decades after the early Radiomir watches, and yet commanding 3x the price because of the brand pedigree. The watch itself doesn't really have much history, other than being designed by the now famous Gerald Genta. It was actually seen as a disaster when the design was first presented. And the reason why it was commissioned for design? Because AP needed something to stir up the market as a result of dwindling sales and losses to the quartz era. So it was motivated by the necessity to stay alive vs as a timepiece for a noble purpose (i.e. to wear in combat underwater).







This post has been edited by CHiNO730: Jan 30 2014, 06:27 PM

actually if not mistaken he has tried.
he still hates the luminors with a passion due to what he terms the 'malignant growth' in reference to the crown guard.
and i guess panerai are well aware of that so they sent him a radiomir

i think the Radiomir is a classic example of the original Panerai design. The device protecting the crown didn't make it's way until the late 40's, while the Radiomir was in use by the late 30's. There might have been a dozen reasons why they selected that watch (reasonably priced, historic model, in-house movement, closer to the original in size, similar in design to the early models), but I think it is a fine example of a watch to represent the brand.

anyway i dont find panerai's history appealing...more like appaling?

Why, because it was an instrument of war?

cos its been over-glorified.
sure they used rolex movements at one point yada yada, but that is really no different to micro brands now using say eta.
plus after awhile they failed to meet the requirements of the italian navy.
and they have some pretty shoddy history up until the time rambo was sported wearing one

The brand was pretty much taken over by the Italian Navy after Guido Panerai passed away, I wouldn't say they failed to meet the requirements. The brand was just "troubled" between the 70-80's because they never really made watches for anybody other than the Navy and thus had no real capital to do anything to the scale of their competitors. Meanwhile Rolex was churning out hundreds of thousands of their watches and becoming a powerhouse.

Sure, Stallone found their shop, purchased a couple and helped re-launch the brand and put them in the limelight. That was sheer luck, and a big reason why we can appreciate the brand today. But that doesn't change the authenticity of the brand history at all. If anything it demonstrates that the brand was heavily specialised and perhaps a bit poorly managed. But those watches were on the hands of frogmen during war, and doing so because they were engineered for that purpose. These guys pioneered the whole chunky watch look out of sheer utility.

the funny thing is that even if u go see panerai's own site...
there is a huge gap of nothing between 1956 and 1993...with only 1972 being represented there as the official year that OP really formed...and 1993 as stated by them to be the first OP models released.

if we were to go back like panerai did, then we should also consider rolex as being a british brand

Not much into their history but really love their simplistic design, especially the 510