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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL & FLX Rojak Thread V50, miskin sangat. kek bulan mahal.

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erictioh
post Sep 4 2013, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(Noobdao @ Sep 4 2013, 10:45 AM)
Hmm....Thx for explanation, just I want to ask, if other ppl say that why the headlamp dim, and the problem causes on that?And I believe that u are experience seller than me, so if u don't mind, u can share out on experience why is it like that?Plus, I also tested out many VS, I found out that (Too high capacitance on 1 pcs of capacitor (i.e. 80K uF) will act very slowly can't filter ripple signal which happens at 1-50ms), as u said , is it really effect a lot?And maybe I din research so much on that....
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Firstly, you have to understand the root cause. When aircond kick, there are few things could happen:

1. Compressor hit and load to the accessory belt, and then affecting the spinning of alternator and engine power
2. Electric consumption increased (especially with fan spinning together)

Then voltage drop happens that will cause lower voltage supplied to light and they dim.

How to help the situation:

1. Battery condition: Battery will help to compensate the dropping by "sacrifice" himself in supplying of current from itself. If you never fill battery water or battery in bad condition, then battery will be serve as additional load because it will eat more current instead of supplying current. Guys note that most so called maintenance free battery are not exactly maintenance "free" but they are using the same water as wet battery does. You can fill water in it to ensure it works in tip top condition. (But im sure proton's ramcar battery is water fillable)

2. Cabling (ground cable). For battery current to come out fast enough, ground cable play an important to carry the current out to compensate. Ground cable also carry current from VS and alternator to everywhere.

3. VS can also compensate the dropping by a fraction despite this is not the main function of a VS. Because VS is more for filtering high frequency ripple. VS is connected to battery and ground cable is playing big role to carrry vs' current as well.

So, it's not just as simple as abc when we dealing with light dim issue and will need some troubleshooting work. Well most cases encountered is due to ground cable harness issue.
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post Sep 4 2013, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(goohtj @ Sep 4 2013, 11:02 AM)
[Brothers, cool abit. However Big value in capacitors won't solve our friend's 14.5 to 12 v drop.
His problem might be a weak battery, alternator, grounding cable etc

VS in car just to filter spikes or smoothen the voltage only. yes, higher the capacitance uf the better, it give longer the time to maintains the voltage but all in millisecond only.

both sellers's VS is good n cheap. compare to others branded one in term of technical specs.
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Bro, you sounded more electrical / electronic engineer icon_rolleyes.gif thumbup.gif
GP mad man
post Sep 4 2013, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(iskazulka @ Sep 4 2013, 11:05 AM)
me cheapjing using FL poorfag standard version liao.
why i have to be in same league as mr guinea pig mad in love...  sweat.gif
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then i have to scarifice and change smaller rim instead of staying funker league whistling.gif
garybenjamin
post Sep 4 2013, 11:12 AM

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Upcoming TT:


Satay TT @ Kajang

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Date: 6 September 2013
Time: 8.30pm-11.30pm

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Venue: Satay King @ Kampung Sungai Kantan, 43000 Kajang, Selangor
GPS Coordinate: 3.002273,101.789314

Attendees:
1) V12Kompressor [Organ nicer - come pay without eat]
2) r3apers
3) dares [con lan firmed ~]
4) kenjilew
5) Guinea Pig MM
6) Garybenjamin [confirmed]
7) Titan Rev
8) funker
9) jsnkok
10)davidke20
11) fruitie
12) Fubar
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Please confirm attendance by END OF TODAY.

Untuk mengelakkan dissapointment, Organ-Nicer wanna booking satays.

This post has been edited by garybenjamin: Sep 4 2013, 11:46 AM
Quazacolt
post Sep 4 2013, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Sep 4 2013, 10:20 AM)
Don't la say you have no comments now when you have just posted allegations that his VS don't have fuse.

If you are just a buyer, yea you can say not worth or anything then go complain at his sales thread. But as a seller of a competing product, pls observe some basic seller ethics or you will come across as being sour grapes and desperate.
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this pretty much.
goohtj
post Sep 4 2013, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(erictioh @ Sep 4 2013, 11:11 AM)
Bro, you sounded more electrical / electronic engineer  icon_rolleyes.gif  thumbup.gif
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rclxms.gif l am.
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post Sep 4 2013, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(goohtj @ Sep 4 2013, 11:14 AM)
rclxms.gif  l am.
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so when are you going to [WTS] goohtj voltage stabilizer?

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coolkwc
post Sep 4 2013, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(Noobdao @ Sep 4 2013, 10:45 AM)
Hmm....Thx for explanation, just I want to ask, if other ppl say that why the headlamp dim, and the problem causes on that?And I believe that u are experience seller than me, so if u don't mind, u can share out on experience why is it like that?Plus, I also tested out many VS, I found out that (Too high capacitance on 1 pcs of capacitor (i.e. 80K uF) will act very slowly can't filter ripple signal which happens at 1-50ms), as u said , is it really effect a lot?And maybe I din research so much on that....
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Sometimes not even a 1st class wormbook eletronic engineer can know the answer, not to say you dun have electronic background at all. rolleyes.gif

Our car alternator is current limited device, means it generate finite amount of current (unlike our power socket at home, almost infinite as long as the wire can support). Big cap (or high capacity capacitor bank) will draw more current when it start to charge, and it charge slower due RC constant.

Why by putting high capacity VS can help to solve the light dim when compressor kickin??
Becos VS connected directly to the battery, hence it almost act as voltage buffer for headlamp. But be aware, when the compressor kickin, the voltage will dip and VS start to discharge to stabilize the voltage. The fact is after it discharge, it need to charge back as well, so where is the current come from? Alternator?? But if the charge current is reach its output capability due to too large capacitance? How??

It will draw current from other devices, such as your audio system (Because got cap inside too) and other circuit too, or it will overload your alternator. Outcome is more sluggish performance.

So, not higher capacity = better performance, there are still alot of background info that you never know that might bring other side effect. I'm not saying that your VS capacitance is too big, just that your mindset of bigger = better is totally wrong. Remember one of the buyer from your thread who said the car become sluggish after using your VS??

Electronic modification/addon need DRBFM (Design Review Based on Failure Mode), which you need to fully understand the basic of your compnent addon and list down all the side effect, clearly you don't do that because you not even know the basic of it. yawn.gif
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post Sep 4 2013, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(erictioh @ Sep 4 2013, 11:11 AM)
Bro, you sounded more electrical / electronic engineer  icon_rolleyes.gif  thumbup.gif
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takes one to know one.

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post Sep 4 2013, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(garybenjamin @ Sep 4 2013, 11:12 AM)
Satay TT @ Kajang
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sorry guys can't come, friends wanna riddick lol
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post Sep 4 2013, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(Noobdao @ Sep 4 2013, 10:51 AM)
I think I show u this link, can explain to u la... biggrin.gif

What I want to say is.....

In this world, as u can say that all the items mostly are make from China, but I want to ask u is....If my fren cont sell his product in CHina and using Japan capacitor, so the VS that he sell is from China right?Ya, maybe, bcoz made in China ma..... biggrin.gif

As u said "Prefer to believe his VS than to your China VS."....I think is truth, bcoz he sell in TaoBao, just I want to say is he try to enlarge his market, but anyway, thx to u all support~~~

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Quite alot of debate over this VS...hmmm...

But anyway @Noobdao, no offence but dun say Flame his VS openly forum mahh.. like not right leh...

I saw ur VS thread alot complaining about u selling Taobao VS so ex etc... But no offence to anyone, we all are in the open market, we do a something gain little profit, isn't this how the world works? I saw they flame ur thread, is like going to the clothes shop and tell the shop owner i can buy this cheaper from Taobao directly? shocking.gif

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 4 2013, 11:29 AM)
sorry guys can't come, friends wanna ride d*** lol
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okay. kthxbai.
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post Sep 4 2013, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(drfeelgood @ Sep 3 2013, 06:35 PM)
wow.... dont take the risk. JB is one of the safest places in Malaysia.(which is the safest country in the world).

due to the safety in JB, I wouldnt take the risk.
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QUOTE(drfeelgood @ Sep 3 2013, 06:57 PM)
bro, so better avoid parking at the illegal parking area.... JB is so safe, you will surely meet JB friendly off duty polis peraguts, or warm caring indon robbers.....
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Thanks bro, advice taken, will source for cheaper parking instead wink.gif
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post Sep 4 2013, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(Noobdao @ Sep 4 2013, 10:45 AM)
Hmm....Thx for explanation, just I want to ask, if other ppl say that why the headlamp dim, and the problem causes on that?And I believe that u are experience seller than me, so if u don't mind, u can share out on experience why is it like that?Plus, I also tested out many VS, I found out that (Too high capacitance on 1 pcs of capacitor (i.e. 80K uF) will act very slowly can't filter ripple signal which happens at 1-50ms), as u said , is it really effect a lot?And maybe I din research so much on that....
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Post on behalf of Davike20:

My bat3 already 2 years old dry MF, that could be the cause of light dim. I have both 260k uf & erictioh VS in car. Thanks to erictioh's answer.

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Then beside of grounding point i think i need to check my bat3 water level d ~

This post has been edited by garybenjamin: Sep 4 2013, 11:34 AM
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post Sep 4 2013, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Sep 4 2013, 11:19 AM)
so when are you going to [WTS] goohtj voltage stabilizer?

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no lah. l diyed mine 8 years ago using 20 x 10,000uf plus some smaller ones 0.1,4.7,100,220,4700 etc.
no led light, no fuse.
yearly maintenance - check for bulge & leak on caps
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post Sep 4 2013, 11:38 AM

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8 years of VS experiences? notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(adriangan @ Sep 4 2013, 11:29 AM)
Quite alot of debate over this VS...hmmm...

But anyway @Noobdao, no offence but dun say Flame his VS openly forum mahh.. like not right leh...

I saw ur VS thread alot complaining about u selling Taobao VS so ex etc... But no offence to anyone, we all are in the open market, we do a something gain little profit, isn't this how the world works? I saw they flame ur thread, is like going to the clothes shop and tell the shop owner i can buy this cheaper from Taobao directly? shocking.gif

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Until now I am so curious that the people complain, until now din get warranty, and complain without any point...
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QUOTE(goohtj @ Sep 4 2013, 11:36 AM)
no lah. l diyed mine 8 years ago using 20 x 10,000uf plus some smaller ones 0.1,4.7,100,220,4700 etc.
no led light, no fuse.
yearly maintenance - check for bulge & leak on caps
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lol, speaking of which.... I gotta check mine for any possible buldge or leak liao.
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post Sep 4 2013, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 4 2013, 12:35 AM)
hmm... that car... already failed me on the looks/genre/type etc. so laugh.gif

that said, how does it fare against others in it's class?
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Haven't test drive others, CXfai is next on the list. Maybe I'm not being fair because I have no other SUVs/Xovers to compare to, but for RM132k I have certain expectations. There's a reason why I say the current Civic is sh!t brows.gif

The XV boot is ridiculously small. After the test drive I went to the Mazda showroom a few shops away. There was no CXfai so I go molest the current gen Mazda3 hatchback. Open the boot and see, the XV dunno lose how many streets dy laugh.gif But for the rear seats the XV is more spacious la.


QUOTE(garybenjamin @ Sep 4 2013, 11:12 AM)
Upcoming TT:
Satay TT @ Kajang

user posted image

Date: 6 September 2013
Time: 8.30pm-11.30pm

user posted image

Venue: Satay King @ Kampung Sungai Kantan, 43000 Kajang, Selangor
GPS Coordinate: 3.002273,101.789314

Attendees:
1) V12Kompressor [Organ nicer - come pay without eat]
2) r3apers
3) dared
4) kenjilew
5) Guinea Pig MM
6) Garybenjamin [confirmed]
7) Titan Rev
8) funker
9) jsnkok
10)davidke20
11) fruitie
12) Fubar
13)
14)
15)

Please confirm attendance by END OF TODAY.

Untuk mengelakkan dissapointment, Organ-Nicer wanna booking satays.
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Con lan firm

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post Sep 4 2013, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(goohtj @ Sep 4 2013, 11:36 AM)
no lah. l diyed mine 8 years ago using 20 x 10,000uf plus some smaller ones 0.1,4.7,100,220,4700 etc.
no led light, no fuse.
yearly maintenance - check for bulge & leak on caps
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hmm.gif hmm.gif
how to check ?

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