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 engine question, 4A-GE vs 4G93?

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post May 31 2006, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(prozac @ May 31 2006, 12:02 AM)
Last time also got one famous B16A in Saga. Must be still around somewhere.

Anyway just to clear things up here are some dyno'd figures at the wheel:

Stock MMC GTi 4G93DOHC : ~112hp
Satria R3 St1 : ~122hp
Satria R3 St2 : ~136hp
4G93 MIVEC rojak : ~155hp
GSR 4G93T : ~180hp
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4G93 MIVEC?? Hybrid 1.8 1 izzit?
For MIVEC get 155 BHP on wheel consider ok liao loh
GSR 4G93T 180BHP on wheel, expected, tune some more can go >=200BHP

Last time my friend did ask something which is possible if a lot of cash $$$$ but all can't afford XD
His Wira's engine is 4G93P NA, already modded with high cams and other stuffs and he plans to bring that engine to the golden 200BHP mark ._." On crank to get 200BHP for it also money fly like hell liao, if on wheel, can go rob a bank
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post May 31 2006, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(prozac @ May 31 2006, 12:02 AM)
Last time also got one famous B16A in Saga. Must be still around somewhere.

Anyway just to clear things up here are some dyno'd figures at the wheel:

Stock MMC GTi 4G93DOHC : ~112hp
Satria R3 St1 : ~122hp
Satria R3 St2 : ~136hp
4G93 MIVEC rojak : ~155hp
GSR 4G93T : ~180hp
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how come honda stil made the best engine? even the 1.6 SOHC Vtec (D16Y8)is better than 4G93 & slightly better than R3 with 127hp. Mitshi DOHC suppose to produce much hp right? If compare with Honda B-series this all NA kena smoke badly.
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post May 31 2006, 12:44 PM

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eventhough Mitsu rated higher hp, but it loses to Honda in term of acceleration because of the gear ratio
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post May 31 2006, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(kct-86 @ May 31 2006, 12:45 AM)
Formula Atlantic versions of the 4A-GE goes for at least 5 to 6 figures.
only if you could find it

there is no way you can find such engine in halfcuts .... Formula Atlantic aren't cars tongue.gif

Anyway.... old cars such as KE-70 or TE-series or Datsun, 4A-GE 16v swap usually easy to get JPJ approval.

heck.... I have seen PUSPAKOM give pass to KE-71 liftback with SR20DET laugh.gif

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post May 31 2006, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(malyadayada @ May 31 2006, 09:44 AM)
bout the exhaust part i prefer the 1.5 bcoz it is so damn quiet ... silence is golden....kekeke biggrin.gif ... the throttle body from my research the perdana SEi has the biggest diameter bout 62mm...quite hard to find though anyhow need to replace my brake pads it givin me sound.....
yurp agreed wit gonna try it out on my next service....thanx biggrin.gif
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im not too sure bout the SEi throttle body as ppl told me mivec one only biggrin.gif
im currently using the mivec throttle .. the response all i can say, damn good.

my car, originally 1.8 .. the exhaust system aint noisy at all la.. its damn quiet too!.. hehe .. i dun like noisy exhaust too .. thats why i still keep the original muffer as well, twin pipe they call it .. laugh.gif
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post May 31 2006, 07:25 PM

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anybody can tell me what with this formula atlantis? totally imposibble to get this engine? then i can 'cha' my friend edi -.-
'4A-GE, 4A-GE la, apa initial d spec' laugh.gif

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post May 31 2006, 07:40 PM

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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ May 31 2006, 07:25 PM)
anybody can tell me what with this formula atlantis? totally imposibble to get this engine? then i can 'cha' my friend edi -.-
'4A-GE, 4A-GE la, apa initial d spec' laugh.gif
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i think they are trying to say that the engine is specially made for racing/rally use kind of engine .. its really quite impossible to get it .. even if its possible u get the engine along only .. u still need the ECU this and that .. they dun come from halfcuts..

I've saw someone posting proton engine 1.6 SOHC (4G92 SOHC) .. specially made in australia .. which could crank a 210bhp on wheel .. (posted in zero to hundred) .. They are selling juz the Engine for RM55k ...

imagine if u fren says he got one of those racing spec one .. how much would it cost .? how much for other stuff .. ECU wiring .. everything??

btw, those engine are mostly HAND assemble .. fully balance .. everything .. tats why its so darn expensive.

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post May 31 2006, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(soulfly @ May 31 2006, 12:45 PM)
Anyway.... old cars such as KE-70 or TE-series or Datsun, 4A-GE 16v swap usually easy to get JPJ approval.

heck.... I have seen PUSPAKOM give pass to KE-71 liftback with SR20DET laugh.gif
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yup.. that's right u can get approve easily when u put those engines into old skool cars.. smile.gif

haha.. that's normal in east malaysia.. i also can't believe it.. laugh.gif

anyway i just have a conversation with my friends who own 4A-GE engine.. he said his fuel can last until 7 days with just rm30 running in 80km/h.. doh.gif

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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ May 31 2006, 07:25 PM)
anybody can tell me what with this formula atlantis? totally imposibble to get this engine? then i can 'cha' my friend edi -.-
'4A-GE, 4A-GE la, apa initial d spec' laugh.gif
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_Atlantic
http://www.champcaratlantic.com/FrontPage.asp

Formula Atlantic are not car racing... they're formula karts.

Nobody sells karts halfcut...lol! laugh.gif

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QUOTE(soulfly @ May 31 2006, 09:48 PM)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_Atlantic
http://www.champcaratlantic.com/FrontPage.asp

Formula Atlantic are not car racing... they're formula karts.

Nobody sells karts halfcut...lol!  laugh.gif
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karts on halfcut?! i would like to see that happen one day.. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(malyadayada @ May 30 2006, 03:23 PM)
kekekkee...but lovely response though just decarbonize the car n it's runnin well.... need to replace the hydraulic lifters n walah no more 'mesin jahit' sound kekekkeke
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u mean tappet noise?
try to adjust the valve clearance within the spec hmm.gif
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if u have connection with the racing world as well as loads of money then the 4AGE racing spoec you can get it XD
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post Jan 28 2007, 12:57 AM

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QUOTE(afcmh @ Jan 27 2007, 11:35 PM)
u mean tappet noise?
try to adjust the valve clearance within the spec  hmm.gif
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FYI, 4G93 tappet is not adjustable .. its using hydarlic to automatically adjust it.

BTW, u guys really love to bring up old post.. since 31 May 2006.. lolz
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btw the 4A-GE atlantic version isit used by the A Spec Race team in japan dat engine?i rmr there was a race car in A Spec team which around 240hp in a red & black AE86
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QUOTE(CFS @ Jan 29 2007, 10:53 AM)
btw the 4A-GE atlantic version isit used by the A Spec Race team in japan dat engine?i rmr there was a race car in A Spec team which around 240hp in a red & black AE86
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I think that's normal 4AGE.....with very high cams+throttle bodies+light internals....4AGE is a very durable engine lah...
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Actually I believe much more work goes into the 20v 165 HP engine than just the head. Lightening of various parts within the engine and better quality material used. And not to mention a completely different ECU. I believe that's how they achieved 165HP.

Yes. Plus Silvertop has semi VVT , while Blacktop has full range VVT.


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nope.. it is possible to put inside the corolla.. the most suitable to put inside it are corolla KE70 and TE71..

Not really. The more suitable (the least extra mod) 4A-GE for KE70 and TE71 are those earlier than 4A-GZE. And you have to get a stronger transmission and rear differentials from a 2nd hand AE86 for RWD mod or from a RWD Corona.

For those 20v 4A-GE to fit into KE70, you have to relocate the distributor, or cut the firewall.

Btw, the power output from 20v 4AGE is around 145hp on wheel.



p/s:The one from Initial D is based on Silvertop.


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