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 engine question, 4A-GE vs 4G93?

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post May 30 2006, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(shinjite @ May 30 2006, 01:09 PM)
I expect 4G93 at least 120BHP on wheel
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tat is wat i expect too ..for its spec is 138bhp on flywheel
on the wheel i do expect around 120bhp
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post May 30 2006, 01:22 PM

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Is everything at 90-100% condition? Sometimes power loss happens if it's not at 90-100% condition, or that something is not calibrated properly.

Disregard this if everything's OK.
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post May 30 2006, 01:30 PM

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A lot of factors too that causes power loss, thats why need to maintain all the time
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post May 30 2006, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(JasonKing @ May 30 2006, 11:54 AM)
initial d is just a movie and anime thingy...not real life folks...so drive safely...
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dude, spamming? i dont c ur post is helping here.. what i wanted to confessed is the 4A-GE engine compare to the anime type, not the driffing or anything doh.gif
what do u mean by drive safety then? doh.gif
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post May 30 2006, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ May 30 2006, 12:55 PM)
so low ?
was the car maintain well ? any modification?
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hurm the exhaust was a standard 1.5....
minor tuning....
no modss blush.gif
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post May 30 2006, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(malyadayada @ May 30 2006, 02:46 PM)
hurm the exhaust was a standard 1.5....
minor tuning....
no modss blush.gif
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now now now, the exhaust is the main problem for the low bhp .. no wonder.. hehe
air is restricted ler dude.. biggrin.gif
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post May 30 2006, 03:23 PM

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kekekkee...but lovely response though just decarbonize the car n it's runnin well.... need to replace the hydraulic lifters n walah no more 'mesin jahit' sound kekekkeke
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post May 30 2006, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(malyadayada @ May 30 2006, 03:23 PM)
kekekkee...but lovely response though just decarbonize the car n it's runnin well.... need to replace the hydraulic lifters n walah no more 'mesin jahit' sound kekekkeke
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dude, those hydraulic lifters are darn expensive lar.. around RM40++ each .. u have 16 of those .. makes up to RM700 ~ 800 .. not include installation yet ..
my mech told me, it is okie if got mesin jahit sound .. juz annoying but it wont hurt .. not worth to change .. thats what he told me lar.. my hydraulic lifter sometimes got sound .. tongue.gif

change ur exhaust to a suitable one .. then u will feel better bhp .. throttle to mivec one .. u'll love it !>. heheh
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post May 30 2006, 05:51 PM

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Use thicker grade oil may reduce the hydraulic lifter noise
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post May 30 2006, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ May 26 2006, 01:56 AM)
hi, i might be wrong but izzit 4G93 is the 1.6 version? assuming i'm not wrong, then which 1 is better?
coz my friend corolla SE swap new engine n he claim it is 'initial d' engine doh.gif n i assume it is 4A-GE like in the AE86 rite?
n how much total cost for swapping my wira with 4G93 with workmanship?
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as for your friend corolla SE.. it is possible to put in a 4A-GE engine.. but with your wira.. it is not possible.. because it doesn't fit except u do body cutting then it should be ok..

QUOTE(shinjite @ May 27 2006, 12:20 PM)
I didn't say your friend is bullsh1tting, just saying that it is hard to find that kind of engine here in M'sia definitely
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nah.. in east malaysia u can find these engines everywhere in half-cut shop.. but i'm not sure about west malaysia..

QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ May 27 2006, 12:18 PM)
takumi's racing spec 4A-GE is what?
diffrent with normal 4A-GE?
if my friend said he brought the 'initial D 4A-GE spec n put inside his corolla SE' is total bullshit?
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4A-GE 1.6cc

nope.. it is possible to put inside the corolla.. the most suitable to put inside it are corolla KE70 and TE71..

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QUOTE(Sim (2) @ May 30 2006, 07:06 PM)
as for your friend corolla SE.. it is possible to put in a 4A-GE engine.. but with your wira.. it is not possible.. because it doesn't fit except u do body cutting then it should be ok..
nah.. in east malaysia u can find these engines everywhere in half-cut shop.. but i'm not sure about west malaysia..
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If in wirs, I dunno wether JPJ will approve or not

Oh I totally forgot about east Malaysia, I meant mostly in peninsular
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post May 30 2006, 10:01 PM

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QUOTE(shinjite @ May 30 2006, 07:21 PM)
If in wirs, I dunno wether JPJ will approve or not

Oh I totally forgot about east Malaysia, I meant mostly in peninsular
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im frm sabah, as i know, many fellas modify their car dun register one.. hahaha
coz i got a fren wo did so .. with his bunch of frens.. they says.. keep low profile .. no kacau one .. lolz

btw, my fren 4AG-ZE into his 120Y .. then mod this that this that .. i also donno d lar
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QUOTE(Sim (2) @ May 30 2006, 07:06 PM)
as for your friend corolla SE.. it is possible to put in a 4A-GE engine.. but with your wira.. it is not possible.. because it doesn't fit except u do body cutting then it should be ok...
I have not seen 4A-GE inside Wira so far.... but I have seen 4A-GZE inside a Saga

4A-GE 16v are rear wheel drive engines, except for the ones which came from AW11 MR-2

4A-GE 20v and 4A-GZE 16v are front wheel drive engines (there are also 4A-GZE 16v came from AW11 MR-2)

Takumi's AE86 was using 4A-GE 20v formula atlantic engine (according to the story). It is sure bullshit if someone said he has 'Initial-D spec' 4A-GE in his car. laugh.gif
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We should go check the car out as well as dyno it to see wether it is the true formula atlantic version biggrin.gif
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post May 30 2006, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(soulfly @ May 30 2006, 10:10 PM)
I have not seen 4A-GE inside Wira so far.... but I have seen 4A-GZE inside a Saga

Takumi's AE86 was using 4A-GE 20v formula atlantic engine (according to the story). It is sure bullshit if someone said he has 'Initial-D spec' 4A-GE in his car. laugh.gif
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all these times.. i haven't saw anyone put a 4A-GE in a saga nor wira.. because usually jpj will not approve them..

LOL.. i'm sure everybody will LOL when someone said he has what so call "Initial-D spec" in his car.. that guy must be a newbie to modifying cars.. laugh.gif

QUOTE(shinjite @ May 30 2006, 07:21 PM)
If in wirs, I dunno wether JPJ will approve or not
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usually they won't approve it.. smile.gif

QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ May 30 2006, 10:01 PM)
im frm sabah, as i know, many fellas modify their car dun register one.. hahaha
coz i got a fren wo did so .. with his bunch of frens.. they says.. keep low profile  .. no kacau one .. lolz

btw, my fren 4AG-ZE into his 120Y .. then mod this that this that .. i also donno d lar
haha
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i'm sure u are not talking about my friends because i have some friends who did that and they have a full register on their own cars.. usually they put 4A-GE on corolla and AE86.. some old cars does approve.. smile.gif

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usually they won't approve it.. smile.gif
Keep low profile, everyday drive like normal XD
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post May 30 2006, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(Sim (2) @ May 30 2006, 11:01 PM)
all these times.. i haven't saw anyone put a 4A-GE in a saga nor wira.. because usually jpj will not approve them..

LOL.. i'm sure everybody will LOL when someone said he has what so call "Initial-D spec" in his car.. that guy must be a newbie to modifying cars.. laugh.gif
usually they won't approve it.. smile.gif
i'm sure u are not talking about my friends because i have some friends who did that and they have a full register on their own cars.. usually they put 4A-GE on corolla and AE86.. some old cars does approve.. smile.gif
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im sure not talking bout ur fren .. its my fren .. hehe
his car engine mods are too much .. to extensive .. his father is a JayPeeJay officer have quite a rank in my hometown also can't approve his car .. laugh.gif
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Last time also got one famous B16A in Saga. Must be still around somewhere.

Anyway just to clear things up here are some dyno'd figures at the wheel:

Stock MMC GTi 4G93DOHC : ~112hp
Satria R3 St1 : ~122hp
Satria R3 St2 : ~136hp
4G93 MIVEC rojak : ~155hp
GSR 4G93T : ~180hp
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post May 31 2006, 12:45 AM

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Formula Atlantic versions of the 4A-GE goes for at least 5 to 6 figures.
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post May 31 2006, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ May 30 2006, 03:28 PM)
dude, those hydraulic lifters are darn expensive lar.. around RM40++ each .. u have 16 of those .. makes up to RM700 ~ 800 .. not include installation yet ..
my mech told me, it is okie if got mesin jahit sound .. juz annoying but it wont hurt .. not worth to change .. thats what he told me lar.. my hydraulic lifter sometimes got sound ..  tongue.gif

change ur exhaust to a suitable one .. then u will feel better bhp .. throttle to mivec one .. u'll love it !>. heheh
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bout the exhaust part i prefer the 1.5 bcoz it is so damn quiet ... silence is golden....kekeke biggrin.gif ... the throttle body from my research the perdana SEi has the biggest diameter bout 62mm...quite hard to find though anyhow need to replace my brake pads it givin me sound.....


QUOTE(soulfly @ May 30 2006, 05:51 PM)
Use thicker grade oil may reduce the hydraulic lifter noise
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yurp agreed wit gonna try it out on my next service....thanx biggrin.gif



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