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post Aug 21 2014, 07:07 AM

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If your cheap PC deal (whole system without HDD) is cheaper than RM400 then it's good to go, otherwise source for AMD APU m-ITX board and Bitfenix ITX chassis is a better choice IMO (that's my future setup as well). This save space with small chassis and able to house up to 5 HDDs, or maybe add another with 5.2" to 3.5" mod at the removable drive compartment, AMD APU with 4x SATA + 1 SATA RAID card with 2x SATA, and you're good to go with 6x SATA, sounds good yeah brows.gif And it's cheap (around RM800).

And yes you can boot FreeNAS through USB pendrive. For me, I choose Windows Home Server, cost quite a bit but I can put all the Windows' programs into it, choose what I like to use on it, IRC client for download purpose? wink.gif

You can add-on drive(s) in the future but you may not be able to utilize RAID, RAID construction will need to clean off all the drive before it start.

1. Just connect your NAS to your network anyway you prefer, but wired is recommended for stability and performance.

2. LAN does not concern your Internet, so your NAS will only runs in your LAN, and won't connect to the Internet unless you set the Gateway (point to your Maxis router).
Your NAS to your other device speed will be greatly depends on your equipment, your router probably only runs off 100Mbps LAN so you get only around 11MB/s at peak transfer between NAS to a single device.
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post Aug 21 2014, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Aug 21 2014, 07:07 AM)
If your cheap PC deal (whole system without HDD) is cheaper than RM400 then it's good to go, otherwise source for AMD APU m-ITX board and Bitfenix ITX chassis is a better choice IMO (that's my future setup as well). This save space with small chassis and able to house up to 5 HDDs, or maybe add another with 5.2" to 3.5" mod at the removable drive compartment, AMD APU with 4x SATA + 1 SATA RAID card with 2x SATA, and you're good to go with 6x SATA, sounds good yeah brows.gif And it's cheap (around RM800).

And yes you can boot FreeNAS through USB pendrive. For me, I choose Windows Home Server, cost quite a bit but I can put all the Windows' programs into it, choose what I like to use on it, IRC client for download purpose?  wink.gif

You can add-on drive(s) in the future but you may not be able to utilize RAID, RAID construction will need to clean off all the drive before it start.

1. Just connect your NAS to your network anyway you prefer, but wired is recommended for stability and performance.

2. LAN does not concern your Internet, so your NAS will only runs in your LAN, and won't connect to the Internet unless you set the Gateway (point to your Maxis router).
Your NAS to your other device speed will be greatly depends on your equipment, your router probably only runs off 100Mbps LAN so you get only around 11MB/s at peak transfer between NAS to a single device.
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its an entire PC system afaik, for about <RM100 (if i secure the deal la) laugh.gif

sadly, it seems theres only 2 SATA ports or 3 max from what i heard about the specs

ouch, 11MB/s for writing? read wise? shouldnt have any prob streaming 1080p movies and anime right?

thankfully, ill be the only hardcore user atm
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post Aug 21 2014, 01:50 PM

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Aug 21 2014, 01:30 PM)
its an entire PC system afaik, for about <RM100 (if i secure the deal la) laugh.gif

sadly, it seems theres only 2 SATA ports or 3 max from what i heard about the specs

ouch, 11MB/s for writing? read wise? shouldnt have any prob streaming 1080p movies and anime right?

thankfully, ill be the only hardcore user atm
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You can add-on SATA card into the system for more. wink.gif
As for the speed, yes it's enough for Full HD streaming... on single device, if 2nd user also want to stream Full HD then it might not be as smooth.
Gigabit switch is cheap... whistling.gif
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post Aug 21 2014, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Aug 21 2014, 01:50 PM)
You can add-on SATA card into the system for more. wink.gif
As for the speed, yes it's enough for Full HD streaming... on single device, if 2nd user also want to stream Full HD then it might not be as smooth.
Gigabit switch is cheap... whistling.gif
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i can see the poison coming in icon_idea.gif

so the Gigabit switch will be connected from router's Gigabit LAN and sort of spread out for multiple LAN users?

using this Technicolour router from Maxis, i think there is another Gigabit LAN port right?
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Aug 21 2014, 02:00 PM)
i can see the poison coming in icon_idea.gif

so the Gigabit switch will be connected from router's Gigabit LAN and sort of spread out for multiple LAN users?

using this Technicolour router from Maxis, i think there is another Gigabit LAN port right?
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hmm.gif I'm not so sure about the specification of the router but I can guarantee you will NOT regret spending on Gigabit performance, hitting hard disk bottleneck is another issue though. Transfer file like a breeze, 40MB file? You won't even see the transfer popup, just a flash through, few GBs in a minute... whistling.gif
I did a transfer of 1.7TB in 8 hours... that's how fast Gigabit speed is, and yeah, the hard disk is kinda slow, between 60~80MB/s only sweat.gif
If you have SSD.. Gigabit LAN is the bottleneck, well.. new tech is kinda expensive so... we shall wait wink.gif
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post Aug 21 2014, 07:41 PM

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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Aug 21 2014, 03:56 PM)
hmm.gif I'm not so sure about the specification of the router but I can guarantee you will NOT regret spending on Gigabit performance, hitting hard disk bottleneck is another issue though. Transfer file like a breeze, 40MB file? You won't even see the transfer popup, just a flash through, few GBs in a minute...  whistling.gif
I did a transfer of 1.7TB in 8 hours... that's how fast Gigabit speed is, and yeah, the hard disk is kinda slow, between 60~80MB/s only sweat.gif
If you have SSD.. Gigabit LAN is the bottleneck, well.. new tech is kinda expensive so... we shall wait wink.gif
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this is the model name Technicolor TG784n v3

the specs said there is an extra Gigabit Ethernet port (ill need to manually inspect to make sure its there though)

using SSD as NAS? laugh.gif thats insane
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Aug 21 2014, 03:56 PM)
hmm.gif I'm not so sure about the specification of the router but I can guarantee you will NOT regret spending on Gigabit performance, hitting hard disk bottleneck is another issue though. Transfer file like a breeze, 40MB file? You won't even see the transfer popup, just a flash through, few GBs in a minute...  whistling.gif
I did a transfer of 1.7TB in 8 hours... that's how fast Gigabit speed is, and yeah, the hard disk is kinda slow, between 60~80MB/s only sweat.gif
If you have SSD.. Gigabit LAN is the bottleneck, well.. new tech is kinda expensive so... we shall wait wink.gif
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SSD NAS is gonna be so exp sweat.gif sweat.gif currently moving around 24GB to my NAS,7 hours doh.gif
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post Aug 22 2014, 03:21 AM

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say if im using a 200Mbps Homeplug connected through gigabit ethernet from router to my NAS at other floor, will the speeds be throttled by the Homeplugs? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(quadcube @ Aug 21 2014, 11:05 PM)
SSD NAS is gonna be so exp sweat.gif  sweat.gif currently moving around 24GB to my NAS,7 hours doh.gif
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Oh my... that's... so slow? shakehead.gif Why so slow? Its only 24GB.. you can use external hard disk and it's way faster than that. 20 minutes top from PC to external hard disk and back to PC (USB 2.0).


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say if im using a 200Mbps Homeplug connected through gigabit ethernet from router to my NAS at other floor, will the speeds be throttled by the Homeplugs? hmm.gif
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Only 200Mbps? The spec itself is already bottleneck, going max theoretically 23MB/s so you won't fully utilize the Gigabit switch. There's some much powerful one out there, if you don't mind to spend more... well that depends on your usage. sweat.gif

I don't mind drilling holes and pulling cables in my home, one of my friend even want to use Cat6 cable of which is overkill, but I'll advise him again. doh.gif

@Homeplug sifu out there: Is there a risk of using Homeplug when there's lightning/thunder? Because even the phone line able to fry a modem... sweat.gif My experience of see-ing my own modem hit by lightning and sparks lits up the room shocking.gif luckily the whole house was blackout (due to trip) before huge one hits it, otherwise my PC would have gone with it as well. cry.gif
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Aug 22 2014, 07:41 AM)
Oh my... that's... so slow? shakehead.gif  Why so slow? Its only 24GB.. you can use external hard disk and it's way faster than that. 20 minutes top from PC to external hard disk and back to PC (USB 2.0).
Only 200Mbps? The spec itself is already bottleneck, going max theoretically 23MB/s so you won't fully utilize the Gigabit switch. There's some much powerful one out there, if you don't mind to spend more... well that depends on your usage. sweat.gif

I don't mind drilling holes and pulling cables in my home, one of my friend even want to use Cat6 cable of which is overkill, but I'll advise him again. doh.gif

@Homeplug sifu out there: Is there a risk of using Homeplug when there's lightning/thunder? Because even the phone line able to fry a modem...  sweat.gif My experience of see-ing my own modem hit by lightning and sparks lits up the room shocking.gif luckily the whole house was blackout (due to trip) before huge one hits it, otherwise my PC would have gone with it as well. cry.gif
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laugh.gif laugh.gif i think its the problem with the way OSX handle file transfer,when i move them one by one,its way faster
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Aug 22 2014, 07:41 AM)
Oh my... that's... so slow? shakehead.gif  Why so slow? Its only 24GB.. you can use external hard disk and it's way faster than that. 20 minutes top from PC to external hard disk and back to PC (USB 2.0).
Only 200Mbps? The spec itself is already bottleneck, going max theoretically 23MB/s so you won't fully utilize the Gigabit switch. There's some much powerful one out there, if you don't mind to spend more... well that depends on your usage. sweat.gif

I don't mind drilling holes and pulling cables in my home, one of my friend even want to use Cat6 cable of which is overkill, but I'll advise him again. doh.gif

@Homeplug sifu out there: Is there a risk of using Homeplug when there's lightning/thunder? Because even the phone line able to fry a modem...  sweat.gif My experience of see-ing my own modem hit by lightning and sparks lits up the room shocking.gif luckily the whole house was blackout (due to trip) before huge one hits it, otherwise my PC would have gone with it as well. cry.gif
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your home plug would probably be safe if the main trips first laugh.gif since home plug is not connected to the phone line..
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post Aug 22 2014, 01:43 PM

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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Aug 22 2014, 07:41 AM)
Only 200Mbps? The spec itself is already bottleneck, going max theoretically 23MB/s so you won't fully utilize the Gigabit switch. There's some much powerful one out there, if you don't mind to spend more... well that depends on your usage. sweat.gif

I don't mind drilling holes and pulling cables in my home, one of my friend even want to use Cat6 cable of which is overkill, but I'll advise him again. doh.gif

@Homeplug sifu out there: Is there a risk of using Homeplug when there's lightning/thunder? Because even the phone line able to fry a modem...  sweat.gif My experience of see-ing my own modem hit by lightning and sparks lits up the room shocking.gif luckily the whole house was blackout (due to trip) before huge one hits it, otherwise my PC would have gone with it as well. cry.gif
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there is a 500MBps one, but ofc more expensive

drill holes? still living with parents, anything that destroys house aesthetics is extremely forbidden :/
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I want to build a NAS. for torrent, host small MYSQL for XBMC, and host all my movies.
It will be 2TB first later will add-on more hdd.
Max is 3 user stream Full HD movies at same time.

- should I go for ready make NAS or build 1?
- does processor and RAM effect a lot on the speed?
- (Intel Celeron/ dual core/ AMD A4) enough for it? with 2GB RAM.

Was thinking to buy Dlink DNS-320L or build 1.

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QUOTE(xngjn @ Aug 26 2014, 11:01 AM)
I want to build a NAS. for torrent, host small MYSQL for XBMC, and host all my movies.
It will be 2TB first later will add-on more hdd.
Max is 3 user stream Full HD movies at same time.

- should I go for ready make NAS or build 1?
- does processor and RAM effect a lot on the speed?
- (Intel Celeron/ dual core/ AMD A4) enough for it? with 2GB RAM.
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I would go for custom build (PC build) for flexible choice of OS, and what more you needs MySQL.
Also custom build can add-on SATA card later on for more HDD, that's if your chassis will have room for more.

CPU and RAM does affect but if it's home use and less than 10 users, old PC (less than 6 years old is pretty much enough).

Intel C2D is powerful enough to run (Celeron is not recommended for SQL), 4GB RAM or better since you'll be hosting SQL server.
Take note of using 64-bit OS to fully utilize the 4GB RAM.
Also Server class OS (ex. Windows Server) has better network, services performance, cost more (linux free?), but you'll not regret the performance it gives you.

You may need better hard disk than those Eco Green for more than 2 users streaming Full HD movies, need to cater for faster access rather than sequential read. If one user seeking his/her movie (skipping ahead or rewind back), it may be slow or other users may encounter slight pause.
Unless of course you can be sure that all 3 users are accessing from different hard disk. wink.gif

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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Aug 26 2014, 11:35 AM)
I would go for custom build (PC build) for flexible choice of OS, and what more you needs MySQL.
Also custom build can add-on SATA card later on for more HDD, that's if your chassis will have room for more.

CPU and RAM does affect but if it's home use and less than 10 users, old PC (less than 6 years old is pretty much enough).

Intel C2D is powerful enough to run (Celeron is not recommended for SQL), 4GB RAM or better since you'll be hosting SQL server.
Take note of using 64-bit OS to fully utilize the 4GB RAM.
Also Server class OS (ex. Windows Server) has better network, services performance, cost more (linux free?), but you'll not regret the performance it gives you.

You may need better hard disk than those Eco Green for more than 2 users streaming Full HD movies, need to cater for faster access rather than sequential read. If one user seeking his/her movie (skipping ahead or rewind back), it may be slow or other users may encounter slight pause.
Unless of course you can be sure that all 3 users are accessing from different hard disk. wink.gif
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WD green good?

I got a old c2d laptop. but no sata to power up the hdd.
What spec u all can recommend me? not too expensive but can expend later.
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QUOTE(xngjn @ Aug 26 2014, 11:57 AM)
WD green good?

I got a old c2d laptop. but no sata to power up the hdd.
What spec u all can recommend me? not too expensive but can expend later.
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If you want to stream more than 2 users, best to get WD Blue or better Black, they're 7,200 rpm and has better access speed, bandwidth is not an issue.

Laptop? I won't recommend it unless you're going to strip it nekkid with proper cooling, plus laptop can't expand, you gets 2 SATA, and that's all, and that's also you have to go for 2.5" HDD, much expensive, smaller size.

Desktop is the way to go, get any board (cheap one will do) with
- 4x SATA for better start,
- then get the cheapest CPU, RAM (4GB should the standard nowadays)
- PSU can get 450W, bronze or 80 Plus certified is recommended for long term 24/7 usage.
I can't get the quote for you, you will need to ask at Q&A or hunt for yourself, and even those are just reference, you may find better products or better price by then.
Also you need to cater for cooling as well, better ventilated chassis is way to extend your components lifespan. If you want low noise, may invest on better fan or just tune them to runs on 5v (if they're freaking noisy at 12v).

My current setup:
Intel C2D E8400 @ 0.95v, 1.6GHz (down-clock from stock 3.0GHz for power saving and cooler running CPU)
2GB RAM (may just plug in another 2GB, but sufficient for now)
1x 500GB (OS, programs and small downloads)
1x 3TB (bought recently to replace 2TB one)
2x 2TB (main storage for archive)
CM Elite 344 with front cut off fan's hole for better cool air draw.
- 120mm Silverstone AP121 to push air through the HDD
- 90cm exhaust fan with 5v mod for quiet operation
- 120mm Vantec (some old) fan with 12v for quiet operation (custom for PSU)

All these is from experience with many years of setup and of course daily monitoring of the components' temperature.
May consider air flow centric fan for cooling the HDD instead of the AP121, AP121 has high static pressure but not enough cool air circulate through the HDD. wink.gif

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Do you all do RAID? what hdd is better with high capacity. WD Blue only 1tb. I want hdd 4TB or above. Which have longer life. RPM will prolong the life of hdd? 7,200 rpm or IntelliPower?
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QUOTE(xngjn @ Aug 28 2014, 10:36 AM)
Do you all do RAID? what hdd is better with high capacity. WD Blue only 1tb. I want hdd 4TB or above. Which have longer life. RPM will prolong the life of hdd? 7,200 rpm or IntelliPower?
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brows.gif Want to move into RAID? Software RAID? Hardware RAID?
WDC and Seagate both has HDD specialize for RAID purpose, consumer and even the enterprise grade.
Storage based HDD usually has lower RPM, enterprise however has 7,200rpm and above ($$$)
Lifespan of HDD is very subjective, RPM (Revolution Per Minute) does not concern much on the lifespan, rather I would say proper maintenance and equipment to support the HDD is main thing that keep the lifespan higher, but lucks play some part here, some may just fail you when the time's up. Some quicker, some slower. nod.gif

p/s: I don't do RAID, I guess I watch the SMART everyday... check the temperature everyday... pray a bit everyday... sweat.gif should be safe... sweat.gif

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So for custom build NAS + htpc, need higher processing power or more RAM? Any thought wildwestgoh?
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QUOTE(kherel77 @ Aug 28 2014, 05:29 PM)
So for custom build NAS + htpc, need higher processing power or more RAM? Any thought wildwestgoh?
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That's depends on your HTPC requirements, watching movies only? Blu-Ray or 4K proof?
Blu-Ray only can use Core i3, no extra graphics card needed, save $$.
4K may require some special display port such as DisplayPort or HDMI so a graphics card is required, maybe low-mid range with such ports available will do. wink.gif
OS need to be considered as well due to combined NAS setup, media centre with SMB capable is good, as it supported by many devices nowadays.

But if you going to put HTPC in the living room, it's best to have standalone media player that able to access NAS through network, less clutter since your media player may use WiFi to stream movie over the air, or the HomePlug equivalent. wink.gif
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