this is the 4th weeks of working in my company... i wonder what should i do?... should i stay or should i resign...

here it goes the story... i was been told in the interview that i'll be given a training on company system in order to understand the overall company system... but i was been fooled as they didn't even give me any training and expect me to know everything... ...

i already tried my best to do whatever i had been asked to do but sometimes really can't figure it out... somemore everyone keep rushing me... even though when i'm very busy, some of them still add burden to me by asking me to do this and that... i had been scolded by my boss few times because of this... ...

the funniest thing is, i'm the only one who are in charge of IT department... nobody else... shouldn't the company hire another It staff?...

i recommended u to STAY!. maybe they wanted to train u this way.

I bet u must be working in typical "Chinaman" company.

Well, if you could take it, just stay and learn. So u r saying u r the only one in IT dept. Meaning that u have no one to turn to for question/help? Learn it hard and manage properly, about a year or so, then you resign, I bet ur boss will treat u like god.

Good luck mate.

mmm... no no... definitely no... this is not the way they train staff... my senior (now based in client side) told me this is the way the company torture people...

when i was here for the very first week, i'm kinda like this job... i really felt great that time... but as time goes by, i really realised what my senior said is true...

in the middle of nowhere... ...

nope... not a chinaman company but western man company... apparently my friend is working here... he warned me the boss like to torture staff and asked me to think carefully before accepting the offer... ...

ya, you are right... nobody i can ask for help but to learn it by myself... sometimes i'm really ... i even told them that i'm new herer and i need time to figure it out but still they push me again and again... ...

This post has been edited by lyk: May 24 2006, 10:44 AM

In my opinion these are some questions which should be answered:

1) Do you see learning potential? If no then no point staying.

2) How much are they paying you? You are the single point of IT contact. If they cant offer at least RM 3K then they should fly kite.

3) I am curious about this part:

here it goes the story... i was been told in the interview that i'll be given a training on company system in order to understand the overall company system... but i was been fooled as they didn't even give me any training and expect me to know everything... vmad.gif ...

--> Did they promised you any training during the interview? You didn't really said that you were fantastic in IT and gave him the impression that you could handle everything during the interview did you?

If they did promise training and ffk u then by all means they suck.

Anyway it does seem that you are in those "Chinapek company" as mentioned in another thread. Sigh curse these companies man.... I used to be in one myself and nearly gave my soul up. Luckily lady luck was on my side and now I am in a MNC. There is sooooooo much difference. As another forumer put it:-

Hehe i think a lot of ppl work with these kinda companies (with varying degrees of "pukima" as some one put it). <-- I support this satement 100%.

learn to say NO when people rush you!

1) Do you see learning potential? If no then no point staying.

- Only if they give me chances...

2) How much are they paying you?

- 2.1K

3) Did they promised you any training during the interview?

- Ya, said i'll be undergoing training under my senior...

4) You didn't really said that you were fantastic in IT and gave him the impression that you could handle everything during the interview did you?

- No, i did not... Already stated in my resume that i'm a fresh grad...

it is easier said than done...

they will only backstab you but not consider your situation... i already kena backstab... ...

This post has been edited by lyk: May 24 2006, 11:40 AM

Lyk,

I had worked 20 years in IT/Datacom/Telecom world. As far as I can remember, I always have too much to do, too little time to do it and I never know enough. So, what you are facing is highly normal in an IT world.

Learn to say no.

You are just a pawn. Why the hell you need to act like a big boss and take on all the responsibility?? You have a boss. Do not say yes or no. Just Tai Chi the decision to your boss. If someone ask you to do something, ask the person to talk to your boss first. Just say you are a pawn and you need to follow order. Ask your boss to prioritize the things that you should do. If he/she does not, then, you prioritze your own list. If someone want you to do something fast and drop what you are doing now, tell the person to talk to your boss. Let your boss make the decision. You have a boss. Use it. Let your boss be the bad guy. It is his/her job to make this kind of decision.

This is the kind of soft skill that a fresh grad need to learn fast.

Dreamer

This post has been edited by dreamer101: May 24 2006, 02:44 PM

Ahhh friend, rm2.1k is quite ok for a fresh grads, I just got increment only got this level outside there IT job market.... i dont know, how is IT job market now? Is it still as bad as 2 years ago?

The situation you stated is very similar to my experience too, let it be, as this is how an IT people life is. Remember when i first start working, wahlaoehhh, cant even manage to walk from 1st floor to 2nd floor, coz in the stairway got people tahan you already for work, even thou you have 4~5 request on hand and a your handphone ringing. I tell you at that time, i work until nearly crazy, really stressful. Especially when the staff keep talk talk talk about sometime wanting you to do and you totally no idea what the hell is it.

And you cant expect them to teach you everything, you have to learn yourself, it is not easy but this is the way it is. When time pass, you will eventually know how to deal with each of the situation here, and you will no longer feel rushing for anything and just do your work steadily.

Maybe you hv to spend time manage your interpersonal relationship as well, make as many people happy as possible, if cant, at least make the few big heads happy coz they are the one affecting your pay directly.

Also, yes, very importantly, must learn how to tai chi, dont take responsibility completely everytime.

Resign is the worst idea, unless you can get some better place to go. Otherwise it is a bad record for you.

Dreamer and Rexis,

the problem is even the boss doesn't believe me... i told him this is what the senior asked me to do to overcome the problem but he insisted in calling my senior to ask about it...

yes both of you are right about the having the eager to learn new things... this is what i expected... but how do i learn if i can't do any practical on it?... by reading the theory is not enough... 100% theory without practical = 0 ...

what i deal here is the overall company system... i couldn't do an experiment on the server which running a big business... what if the server crash because of me?... i couldn't bear the losses...

really in the middle of nowhere... now still exploring how to solve the problem for one of the director here... gosh... what can i do?... ...

I know how it feel when your boss showing that he do not believe you, i was like that before. Now handling one whole branch, although not perfect but my boss willing to rely on me.

Just try your best there, you just hv to know that your boss is not an idiot, if you are really good, he will value you. You have to show him you can really do work, and you willing to dedicate on your job.

If you think you did your best and you feel that your boss still do not appreciate you lor, maybe its time for you to make a change. Give yourself 2 more months to figure this out.

Never easy to be an employee, i hv been thinking about quitting bout my job since day one and go plant vegetable...

Welcome to I.T. life friend...

Same situation as me when I was a fresh grad. My advice, stay on eventho its hard. Nobody guide you, nvm, read the "Help" file or any available documentation and then, do a trial and error test. Don't worry the server crash...it won't crash easily unless you open 100++ applications at a time and don't delete any files!

There is no easy way out, learn it the hard way. You'll gain experience faster this way.

Lyk,

You are not the boss. Do not take on the responsibility of being a boss. You tell your boss that you need a server to try out before implementing something. If your boss say it is okay to try out on the production server, then, you go ahead.. It is not your responsibility then. Let your boss make the tough decision. You can only propose and suggest alternative. It is up to your boss to make the decision.

IT IS NOT YOUR JOB!!!

Learn how to let your boss make the decision.

Dreamer

yalo bro.. ask them ask boss if they rush.. say u cant decide coz u have many things to do on hand.. im a trainee oni but they treat me good.. if got rush or things i dono i always say i will refer to supervisor..haha then let them decide haha..but busy is for sure.. even me.. sometimes in 1 day i can make more than 30rounds of trips in lift.. until foot also lebam

gdluck bro

I am giving suggestion on the part of people keep pushing you.

When I was fresh graduate, my knowledge on the product, process flow and sensitive cross-departmental relations were very very limited. In a work place, there will always be some people trying to push the responsibilities and unnecessary jobs to you for their own benefits such as buying them extra time, making their jobs easier by pushing the tough one onto you, etc, etc. The workplace is like a madhouse whether it is cinapek or MNC company. I suffered a lot initially being spinned so much because I wasn't equipped with necessary knowledge to defend myself.

To survive in workplace, you need to learn a lot about the technical knowledge, process flows, and company systems either by time or by working really hard. Knowledge is the best defensive weapon you can have to protect yourself against such people. For example, someone come to you with some unreasonable requests, you ask him by doing these stuff, will it serve the purpose or solve the problem? You then bombard them with your knowledge stating why you think so, that's where knowledge comes in. Always QUESTION their requests in depth so they can't take advantage of you.

Also, stand tough on your position until boss steps in. People will tend to bully people with no knowledge. Speaking about boss, you need to establish certain credibility to him, else he won't trust you. You have to show some results and acheivements to him, then when he has confidence in you, he will trust you.

Else, well, really sorry for you, but no worry, we all have the same problem, Malaysian workplaces are full of lousy bosses. They are just task masters, not leaders.

This post has been edited by TYK: May 24 2006, 07:20 PM

shite!!! RM 2.1k for a fresh grad?

@lyk, please give me the contact no. / e-mail / address of this company u're working for, wanna apply there and help you out (we can be good friends yeah? )

by the way, i'm not joking. i mean it

yalor, last time i called low yat IT shop for technician job, they only willing to pay 900 nia...

Actually how good is ur senior by the way? Is he some expert in the field he is in? Does he know all the best pratices in his work? By the way I feel that you should only stay if the system you are maintaining is SAP, Oracle or SAS.

Does your senior come back to office on Saturdays and Sundays to maintain the system? Perhaps you can drop by one of these days, have a chat with him and understand your company system better when there is all peace and quietness.

hahaha... really going to plant vegetables ar?... ...

you still got supervisor to refer to... but mine i can't really fully rely on my senior as he is kinda busy with work loads... nothing i can do but to explore it by myself... ...

i'm the only IT staff in the company... ... i'm already working real hard for it... everything is so organise but lack of knowledge... ...

i would be really happy if this stingy boss wanna recruit people... but the fact is they only need one systems administrator... and that is me... ... wonder why they don't recruit another one... one is not enough...

how good is my senior?... not sure but as i know, he move on to SAP BASIS from systems administrator where i would have the chance as well...

my senior is based on client side... won't be back to office at the meantime... ...



mmm... i deposited my resume at msc.com ystdy and today afternoon i received a call from Axis Systems for an interview... so, does anyone know about this company?... any opinion should i go for the interview?...

thanks for everyone who replied my thread... ...

This post has been edited by lyk: May 26 2006, 12:27 AM

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