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 The SONY (FF & APS-C) E-Mount Thread ver. 5, Full-Frame A7 & A7R Released Malaysia!

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samsungfreak
post Oct 25 2013, 06:23 PM

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QUOTE(redlyfs @ Oct 25 2013, 06:09 PM)
Didn't realize there was a difference. Thanks. Never shot a video yet though  tongue.gif
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tbh I wanted that too. Saw the announcement after I bought my NEX-6.
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I learn the hard way long time ago that fanboyism is very strong when it comes to camera brands. Need to be very careful of what you speak. biggrin.gif

The biggest pros for NEX 6 compare to GX7 is the price. It is so cheap and you get so much out of it.

The 2nd thing is the NEX grip, it is the best mirrorless grip I have tried and it feel solid even you hold it with one hand.

The 3rd thing is the sensor. The sensor is so good that you don't even need to turn on long exposure noise reduction when you shoot 30s at ISO100. This will save a lot of time because long exposure noise reduction require another 30 seconds freeze on your camera.

Cons? Well.. tongue.gif only to me
1. Messy Menu - items are like playing hide and seek with you. [They have new menus now with A7 and newer models, the new menu will look like RX100 and RX1]
2. No easy way to turn off stabilizer. No IS switch on lens. Cannot assign it to Fn button. Have to dig the item from messy menu.
3. NEX I.S. mess up shots more often than other system when you have it enabled on tripod. So turning it off is highly recommended.
4. EVF is good but it becomes noisier in low light/indoor. The other EVF I tried doesn't have such problem.
5. NEX tends to under expose your shots by at least 1 stop at low light/indoor. If you look at the histogram, it covers about 60% only.

A few more but I better stop before I get killed, I want to repeat that most people will not notice all these and NEX 6 remains a very nice camera especially at this price point. A lot of these can be fix by the photographer but you need to be aware of it. rclxms.gif

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post Oct 25 2013, 06:44 PM

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Wow. That's very detailed. Thanks. Will definitely help with my noob photography skill. I'll stop by panasonic's thread later =D have a great weekend ya'all
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post Oct 25 2013, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(samsungfreak @ Oct 25 2013, 06:04 PM)
For those who get cams from BHPhotoVideo.com, please be noted than their cams are NTSC models that shoot 60p/30p. Malaysia is a PAL region (50P/25P). Got to know this is you are shooting video to avoid flickr. If you take stills only, this is not a problem.
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So NTSC or PAL better? hmm.gif
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post Oct 25 2013, 07:35 PM

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QUOTE(redlyfs @ Oct 25 2013, 06:44 PM)
Wow. That's very detailed. Thanks. Will definitely help with my noob photography skill. I'll stop by panasonic's thread later =D have a great weekend ya'all
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Haha Panasonic is mixed with Olympus in Micro Four Thirds there
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2731512


QUOTE(idoblu @ Oct 25 2013, 06:56 PM)
So NTSC or PAL better?  hmm.gif
Thanks
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They are not better or worse than each other but based on the region video standard which is again based on electricity frequency (50Hz for Asia/Europe and 60Hz for US/Japan). I do not know the real technical reason behind it. One of the problem is flicking due to our lights are running at 50hz but we shoot at 30fps/60fps, but I do not know the real technical details.

However, I wanted to add that the problem may not be that serious because ALL Olympus cameras are NTSC models with no choice for PAL. Cameras like Canon let you select either one which is the best solution.

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post Oct 25 2013, 08:18 PM

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NTSC or PAL is a factor skew more towards broadcast standard.Broadcast of PAL is 25fps and NTSC is 50fps.Colour space and field pull also varies from each other. If your work not gonna be broadcast or playback on TV that projected via SD signal,it won't matter much as current LCD or Plasma TV can handle both.When you burn your footage to DVD,software can decode to what format you want.Rule of thumb is PAL for most countries,US and Japan strictly on NTSC if I remember correctly.As majority of modern video playback is on pc or portable devices,which format is not that important meanwhile which video codec will determine the quality.Mpeg4,QT,AVCHD,how many FPS you can shoot,2k or 4k is a far more important aspect.

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post Oct 25 2013, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(samsungfreak @ Oct 25 2013, 06:23 PM)
I learn the hard way long time ago that fanboyism is very strong when it comes to camera brands. Need to be very careful of what you speak. biggrin.gif

The biggest pros for NEX 6 compare to GX7 is the price. It is so cheap and you get so much out of it.

The 2nd thing is the NEX grip, it is the best mirrorless grip I have tried and it feel solid even you hold it with one hand.

The 3rd thing is the sensor. The sensor is so good that you don't even need to turn on long exposure noise reduction when you shoot 30s at ISO100. This will save a lot of time because long exposure noise reduction require another 30 seconds freeze on your camera. 

Cons? Well..  tongue.gif only to me
1. Messy Menu - items are like playing hide and seek with you.  [They have new menus now with A7 and newer models, the new menu will look like RX100 and RX1]
2. No easy way to turn off stabilizer. No IS switch on lens. Cannot assign it to Fn button. Have to dig the item from messy menu.
3. NEX I.S. mess up shots more often than other system when you have it enabled on tripod. So turning it off is highly recommended.
4. EVF is good but it becomes noisier in low light/indoor. The other EVF I tried doesn't have such problem.
5. NEX tends to under expose your shots by at least 1 stop at low light/indoor. If you look at the histogram, it covers about 60% only.

A few more but I better stop before I get killed, I want to repeat that most people will not notice all these and NEX 6 remains a very nice camera especially at this price point. A lot of these can be fix by the photographer but you need to be aware of it.  rclxms.gif
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good to know, but sometimes, i rather find out about the cons, first. icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(domo_kun @ Oct 25 2013, 09:50 PM)
good to know, but sometimes, i rather find out about the cons, first.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Yeah same here, I always read the negative reviews first because if the negatives doesn't bother me, the positives will take care of itself. rclxms.gif
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post Oct 25 2013, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(samsungfreak @ Oct 25 2013, 07:35 PM)
One of the problem is flicking due to our lights are running at 50hz but we shoot at 30fps/60fps, but I do not know the real technical details.
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in my experiences, on my Nikon V1, it'll become a problem to shoot 30p/60i with indoor light. you'll have to use much higher shutter speed that sync with the 50Hz, means boosting the ISO, or use bigger aperture. shooting 60i, with 1/60 shutter speed, you'll get flickering, so you have to set to 1/100 shutter speed that'll sync with the 50Hz. you can't set to 1/50 as it's lower than 60i so you'll get skipped frame. and i can't seems to set to 1/50 or 1/30 for 30p, i think V1 doesn't allow shutter speed slower than 1/60 for 30p.

so...in short, when shooting indoor with 60i or 30p, you'll stuck with 1/100 which is fast and useful but you won't get enough light in dim environment. however there won't be problem if you shoot outdoor.

on the other hand, if you get the PAL version, you usually don't get the 24p if the NTSC version offer it unless the camera manufacturer decide to include it.

some camera manufacturers will include whatever frame rate available (depends on models also), and will let you set whatever shutter speed you desire in manual mode. with my RX1R i can switch to PAL or NTSC regardless of the original region so i get all the frame rates, but each time i switch i have to format the video folders in memory card, i think AVCHD limitation thingy? if you recorded video in PAL, switching to NTSC you'll have to format the folders thus erase the videos you captured. not sure about the NEX series though.

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QUOTE(SyathibiyMegat @ Oct 24 2013, 02:41 AM)
Not that close. Snapping the whole pic of a phone, just trying. Is it considered as really close? But snapping the pic of camera using the phone looks good hmm.gif
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Make sure distance between camera and phone is not less than 25cm, u can further zoom for more magnification.

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Hello,

Im Nex 5r user,recently bought the horseshoe converter but wireless flash trigger cant seem to work on it. it works fine direct flash, but not the wireless remote.. anyone has same problem, or has solution? thanks!


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Rule of thumb when selecting shutterspeed in relation to fps is double the value of corresponding fps. Say you are shooting 30fps your shutterspeed should be the value of 1/60.For our 50hz electricity your shutterspeed should be at 1/50 or 1/100 based on integer division of the flicker rate.Then result may varies if your lamp or light has irregular electricity frequencies caused by faulty bulbs or fluctuating power source. So the professional uses flicker free for their lighting equipment.Higher shutterspeed will yield crispier image per frames while lower shutterspeed will garner more motion blur in between frames.Practical usage in real life situation is applicable whether your subject is moving a lot or not.It also can be use as expression of creativity like how Saving Private Ryan's opening where the image is crisper than your usual footage or funky mv where the footage having shutter drag effect.
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QUOTE(SyathibiyMegat @ Oct 24 2013, 01:47 AM)
Finally, I bought my fist ever camera after quite some time of researching. Was previously thinking of getting a dslr, but when I knew abt Nex camera, I instantly fell in love with it. The build is just superb. And I bought the white one, it's definitely nice in the eye biggrin.gif While a dslr, mehh, bulky and big and hideous bla bla bla. Not interested anymore. I bought Nex-3NY anyway. First time trying, need to learn how to use it first. Before this, only use family's camera  wink.gif

Anyway, first I'd like to ask, why is it that when I try to snap a close-up picture, the pic will become blur? Second, I find that when I snapped a pic, sometimes the color of the pic will change. It's like it's trying to give the best color. Is it a good thing or a bad thing? hmm.gif
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u mean background and foreground will be quite blur, right? it quite normal as it have DSLR-sized sensor, which delivering great IQ and able to focus subject clearly while defocusing background and foreground.
if colour keep changing, when in lowlight, limited light is entering sensor, and thus sensor keep determine to get best colour as possible. normally in good lighting Sony NEX will perform extremely well (especially uses Zeiss lenses thumbup.gif )

oh well, if u still concern about colour, maybe u can refer this video below :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKRh1bDu4po

enjoy ur camera
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post Oct 26 2013, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(danielcmugen @ Oct 26 2013, 02:09 AM)
Make sure distance between camera and phone is not less than 25cm, u can further zoom for more magnification.
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I see. I guess I'll have to get used to snapping pics more than 25 cm away. Thanks

QUOTE(ezyfoto19 @ Oct 26 2013, 11:44 AM)
u mean background and foreground will be quite blur, right? it quite normal as it have DSLR-sized sensor, which delivering great IQ and able to focus subject clearly while defocusing background and foreground.
if colour keep changing, when in lowlight, limited light is entering sensor, and thus sensor keep determine to get best colour as possible. normally in good lighting Sony NEX will perform extremely well (especially uses Zeiss lenses thumbup.gif )

oh well, if u still concern about colour, maybe u can refer this video below :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKRh1bDu4po

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Ohh. In other words, the colors try to adapt to lighting condition and everything. Great. Thanks, bro
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i am a NEX5 user~~! I really like the Sony Products~~~Really Nice
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Thinking to upgrade to NEX7~~~! Anybody can give review of NEX7 and advice?
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post Oct 26 2013, 04:05 PM

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There's plenty all over the net really.. what makes us different?
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QUOTE(SyathibiyMegat @ Oct 26 2013, 02:01 PM)
I see. I guess I'll have to get used to snapping pics more than 25 cm away. Thanks
Ohh. In other words, the colors try to adapt to lighting condition and everything. Great. Thanks, bro
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The explanations given on this forum aren't detailed enough.

25cm in this case is the Minimum Focus Distance (MFD), which changes with different lenses.

MFD is measured from the sensor to the object. See this image:

http://www.google.com/imgres?client=firefo...=32&tx=59&ty=97

Working Distance is a different measurement, from the front of the lens to the subject. This is of course less than 25cm after you subtract the sensor to lens mount (18mm) and lens length.
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Hi, just to share some sample pictures taken using the Sony Alpha 7 + Carl Zeiss 55mm F1.8 lens this morning in Sony workshop.
Please take note the camera is pre-production model.

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The shots look really good! How loud was the shutter sound ? So far from the videos I've seen it seems to be really loud. I'm scared it might affect things if I wanna do street photography.
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QUOTE(uraki @ Oct 26 2013, 04:52 PM)
Hi, just to share some sample pictures taken using the Sony Alpha 7 + Carl Zeiss 55mm F1.8 lens this morning in Sony workshop.
Please take note the camera is pre-production model.
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nice quality and resembled the RX1 shots. even with AA filter, i can still see some aliasing and moire on the hair, Sony does seem to design the a7 strongly based on RX1, or the lens is just as good as the one on RX1 albeit different folcal length. curious about the 35mm f2.8. hmm.gif

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